To:
1) IN Registry
2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
cc: Dr. Gulshan Rai (Director General E-Security/GoI) for information.
Dear Sirs,
As new of this outrage on CDAC.IN website spreads among our members, I
am being informed that even web pages of Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva
have not been spared by these rascals on website CDAC.IN unchecked
since 2012.
URL http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Shiva
URL http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Krishna
The perpetrators are clearly anti-national persons intent of dividing
the secular fabric of India since they have not similarly defaced the
CDAC webpage for Lord Christ.
URL http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Christ
Accordingly, I am attaching similar PDF screen shots for these web
pages also, so that the extent of the scandal in CDAC Pune can be
investigated and its perpetrators prosecuted under India Penal Code
and IT Act.
As such, it is highly necessary that domain name CDAC.IN is suspended
immediately in the national interest and to preserve public law and
order. It is outrageous that a website / domain directly under
Ministry of Information Technology is being used for such purposes and
for at least 2 years to offend the people of India.
Kindly take steps immediately as prescribed.
Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor,
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024
Tel : +91-8010205897
ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:
On 8/17/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> 1) IN Registry
> 2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
> 3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
>
> cc: Dr. Gulshan Rai (Director General E-Security/GoI) for information.
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> Further to my recent email on this issue, my colleagues just inform me
> that the CDAC.IN website page for "ALLAH" (ie. the sole God of Islam)
> has been similarly defaced / hacked since Sept 2012 seemingly by a
> registered user.of CDAC with user name "Ostensibly1".
>
> URL is http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Allah
>
> I am attaching the PDF screenshots from the CDAC.IN website, and also
> from Google.com, as ex-facie evidence.
>
> As this is now an extremely serious matter affecting the religious
> sensibilities of almost every Indian citizen, I am hereby calling upon
> all of you (jointly or severally) to immediately suspend the .IN
> domain name "CDAC.IN" and block its abusive contents in the national
> interest, and refer this matter to the appropriate committees under IT
> Act or IN domain.policy framework or new National Cybercrime Policy
> etc for inquiry / investigation.
>
> I am also marking a copy of this email to Dr. Gulshan Rai and his team
> at the Ministry of IT for their knowledge.
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> National Convenor,
> India Against Corruption, jan andolan
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
> Tel : +91-8010205897
>
> ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:
>
> On 8/17/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To:
>> 1) IN Registry
>> 2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
>> 3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
>>
>> Dear Sirs,
>>
>> We thank you for registering this case promptly in IN Registry.
>>
>> We wish to further advise you that in our opinion the domain name
>> "CDAC.IN" which is a high profile domain name directly under the
>> Ministry of Information Technology, and which website has an extremely
>> high page rank of "8" on Google search engine, is having its web pages
>> being secretly sold by corrupt officers of CDAC Pune for SEO (Search
>> Engine Optimisation) to anti-national foreign interests.
>>
>> In the process, almost each and every abusive practice prohibited by
>> the .IN anti-abuse policy is taking place from this domain name
>> CDAC.IN, which is a reserved name for the Ministry of Defence, but
>> which C-DAC is cyber-squatting on since 2005.
>>
>> It is pertinent to mention that the Director General of C-DAC, one Mr.
>> Rajat Moona formerly of the Department of Computer Science and
>> Engineering (CSE), IIT Kanpur, is the prime person responsible for the
>> corrupt private sale of CDAC.IN web pages to international BOTNET
>> cartels and cyber spammers, without care or regard if these persons
>> promote grossly offensive content which hurts the sensibilities of
>> Indian citizens over CDAC.IN's cyber resources or violate Indian laws.
>>
>> By way of example of the corruption of Mr. Rajat Moona, who appears to
>> be in the pay and pocket of US spammers and pornographers such as
>> Wikimedia foundation Inc. I am citing the case of the following URL
>> under CDAC.IN domain name
>>
>> http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Sai_Baba_of_Shirdi
>>
>> The PDF screen shot is attached herewith and contains malicious links
>> to tens of misleading.pornographic, online gambling and fake loan or
>> phishing / pharming websites etc.
>> designed to cheat Indian citizens and reveal their passwords and bank
>> details.
>>
>> One such link leads to URL
>> http://www.sudokuhints.com/chicken-little-slots/
>> a pharming site disguised as online gambling casino
>>
>> That CDAC (a registered society directly under DEITY) would allow,
>> since at least 2012, the malicious use of its website page relating to
>> a highly iconic religious saint of India, ie Sai Baba of Shirdi
>> (@Shirdi Sai Baba) belonging to my religious order is outrageous and
>> criminal, and the members of my religious order are now sworn to get
>> such grossly offensive filth and its perpetrators removed and
>> prosecuted under IN domain name policy and framework, the Information
>> Technology Act, the Indian Penal Code, the Prevention of Corruption
>> Act etc.
>>
>> We are attaching various PDF files as ex-facie evidence that the
>> domain name CDAC.IN requires to be suspended immediately, if the
>> Registrant is unable to disable each and every offensive/ abusive
>> content and link on their domain / websites within 36 hours of this
>> email.
>>
>> We suggest that the sub-domain "gistwiki.cdac.in" which is strangely
>> directly under the control of Wikimedia Foundation Inc USA, be
>> disabled immediately, but its entire contents be faithfully preserved
>> as evidence for at least 90 days as required under IT Act and Rules.
>> It is pertinent to mention that my order since April 2014 has been
>> regularly complaining / reporting about the corrupting influence and
>> misuse / abuse of IN domain names by Wikimedia Foundation Inc of USA
>> to the competent authorities.
>>
>> We hope that you shall cooperate with us and adhere to the law of the
>> land.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Er. Sarbajit Roy
>> National Convenor,
>> India Against Corruption, jan andolan
>> B-59 Defence Colony
>> New Delhi 110024
>> Tel : +91-8010205897
>>
>> On 8/16/14, .IN Support <noreply@salesforce.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Please be advised ticket number 00081602 has been assigned for this
>>> issue.
>>> We will respond to you as soon as possible.
>>>
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>
Saturday, August 16, 2014
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Dear Sarbajit,
In response to your email:http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
then one gets a mirror of the IAC "home page"
What is one to conclude from that?
2. I asked what is the IAC position on porn - is it free speech or not?
India has many stupid laws, that is besides the point. Many Indians (including the entire sangh parivar) labour under the delusion that Victorian social mores and customs are their own culture.
India has many stupid laws, that is besides the point. Many Indians (including the entire sangh parivar) labour under the delusion that Victorian social mores and customs are their own culture.
3. Really? I did not know the US had some great *policy* position on porn - it is just protected under the second amendment as free speech. And, Denmark? How did poor, little state Denmark manage to get into your bad books - I could still understand Netherlands or Norway or Sweden, given their rules on internet domains, but Denmark?
4. As a telecom analyst, I can tell you that porn sites as a source of income for telcos is not more or lesser than say, youtube or bootleg torrents or legal video sites or massive, multi player gaming - all of these require broadband, which is typically prices on a "all you can eat buffet" flat fee basis - so selling more of these connections is important to the telcos, and it is easy because users want high speed broadband for all kinds of things, of which porn may be one thing.
5. Trying to get bad laws enforced is a bad course of action, and harms the citizens of this country - of course, IAC is free to act upon its own impulses and motivations. But, I totally disagree with IAC trying to curtail speech.
Cheers
Supratim
Supratim
On 16 August 2014 18:09, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim
1) IAC has not spoofed Sanjeev Sabhlok or spoofed SKC. Why should we
waste our time on such irrelevant fools and the cyber dramatics they
employ to promote themselves ?
2) In India ALL internet porn is (a) prohibited (b) NOT covered under
free speech. That is the legal position - not IAC's.
3) There is a huge lobby of foreign financed haramis working overtime
to align India's position on pornography with that of USA or Denmark.
4) Since you track telecom, you know well the ARPU hit on their
bottomlines if net-porn is actually stopped.
5) At the moment we are working to get the existing IT laws enforced
administratively. In other words requiring that the babu's
discretionary powers be uniformly applied.
Sarbajit
On 8/16/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit,
>
> This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to
> comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
>
> And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to
> "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what
> about your fight with porn?
>
> Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the
> IAC position.
>
> Thanks
>
> Supratim
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[IAC#RG] Important meeting of Maulik Bharat national council and its associate and friend organization on 24th August 2014 from 2 PM
Respected Friends,
Vandematram
Hope all of you will be fine.
Our political activism convert into a drastic change in national politics. Process of governance is start now in central government. Now we need to change our role. Its time to change the mindset of each and every citizen and social activism is the only key to achieve this goal.
On this front Maulik Bharat team attend various meeting and workshops with their associate organization in last one month on various issue specially drug and alcohol abuse, obscenity & porn culture and crime against women. Its propose by all participant to launch a public awareness campaign in Delhi – NCR in starting and after its success in all over India from October 2, Gandhi jayanti against drug and alcohol abuse, obscenity & porn culture and crime against women.
To discuss and finalise action plan in this direction an important meeting of Maulik Bharat national council and its associate and friend organization ( with special support of National Youth Party) will organize on 24th August 2014 from 2 PM at Siddh Hanuman Mandir Hall, Rajender Nagar, Near Fire Station, Shanker Road, New Delhi.
Presence of you, your like minded friends and associates with their views and suggestion is requested.
With regards
Anuj Agarwal
National Gen. Secretary
Maulik Bharat Trust
09811424443
Rajkumar Singh
President
National Youth Party
Rajneesh Jha
Program Coordinator
Re: [IAC#RG] Confirmation: 00081602->Report of abusive counterfeiting of domain CDAC.IN for phishing etc
To:
1) IN Registry
2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
cc: Dr. Gulshan Rai (Director General E-Security/GoI) for information.
Dear Sirs,
Further to my recent email on this issue, my colleagues just inform me
that the CDAC.IN website page for "ALLAH" (ie. the sole God of Islam)
has been similarly defaced / hacked since Sept 2012 seemingly by a
registered user.of CDAC with user name "Ostensibly1".
URL is http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Allah
I am attaching the PDF screenshots from the CDAC.IN website, and also
from Google.com, as ex-facie evidence.
As this is now an extremely serious matter affecting the religious
sensibilities of almost every Indian citizen, I am hereby calling upon
all of you (jointly or severally) to immediately suspend the .IN
domain name "CDAC.IN" and block its abusive contents in the national
interest, and refer this matter to the appropriate committees under IT
Act or IN domain.policy framework or new National Cybercrime Policy
etc for inquiry / investigation.
I am also marking a copy of this email to Dr. Gulshan Rai and his team
at the Ministry of IT for their knowledge.
Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor,
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024
Tel : +91-8010205897
ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:
On 8/17/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> 1) IN Registry
> 2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
> 3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> We thank you for registering this case promptly in IN Registry.
>
> We wish to further advise you that in our opinion the domain name
> "CDAC.IN" which is a high profile domain name directly under the
> Ministry of Information Technology, and which website has an extremely
> high page rank of "8" on Google search engine, is having its web pages
> being secretly sold by corrupt officers of CDAC Pune for SEO (Search
> Engine Optimisation) to anti-national foreign interests.
>
> In the process, almost each and every abusive practice prohibited by
> the .IN anti-abuse policy is taking place from this domain name
> CDAC.IN, which is a reserved name for the Ministry of Defence, but
> which C-DAC is cyber-squatting on since 2005.
>
> It is pertinent to mention that the Director General of C-DAC, one Mr.
> Rajat Moona formerly of the Department of Computer Science and
> Engineering (CSE), IIT Kanpur, is the prime person responsible for the
> corrupt private sale of CDAC.IN web pages to international BOTNET
> cartels and cyber spammers, without care or regard if these persons
> promote grossly offensive content which hurts the sensibilities of
> Indian citizens over CDAC.IN's cyber resources or violate Indian laws.
>
> By way of example of the corruption of Mr. Rajat Moona, who appears to
> be in the pay and pocket of US spammers and pornographers such as
> Wikimedia foundation Inc. I am citing the case of the following URL
> under CDAC.IN domain name
>
> http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Sai_Baba_of_Shirdi
>
> The PDF screen shot is attached herewith and contains malicious links
> to tens of misleading.pornographic, online gambling and fake loan or
> phishing / pharming websites etc.
> designed to cheat Indian citizens and reveal their passwords and bank
> details.
>
> One such link leads to URL
> http://www.sudokuhints.com/chicken-little-slots/
> a pharming site disguised as online gambling casino
>
> That CDAC (a registered society directly under DEITY) would allow,
> since at least 2012, the malicious use of its website page relating to
> a highly iconic religious saint of India, ie Sai Baba of Shirdi
> (@Shirdi Sai Baba) belonging to my religious order is outrageous and
> criminal, and the members of my religious order are now sworn to get
> such grossly offensive filth and its perpetrators removed and
> prosecuted under IN domain name policy and framework, the Information
> Technology Act, the Indian Penal Code, the Prevention of Corruption
> Act etc.
>
> We are attaching various PDF files as ex-facie evidence that the
> domain name CDAC.IN requires to be suspended immediately, if the
> Registrant is unable to disable each and every offensive/ abusive
> content and link on their domain / websites within 36 hours of this
> email.
>
> We suggest that the sub-domain "gistwiki.cdac.in" which is strangely
> directly under the control of Wikimedia Foundation Inc USA, be
> disabled immediately, but its entire contents be faithfully preserved
> as evidence for at least 90 days as required under IT Act and Rules.
> It is pertinent to mention that my order since April 2014 has been
> regularly complaining / reporting about the corrupting influence and
> misuse / abuse of IN domain names by Wikimedia Foundation Inc of USA
> to the competent authorities.
>
> We hope that you shall cooperate with us and adhere to the law of the land.
>
> Thanks
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> National Convenor,
> India Against Corruption, jan andolan
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
> Tel : +91-8010205897
>
> On 8/16/14, .IN Support <noreply@salesforce.com> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Please be advised ticket number 00081602 has been assigned for this
>> issue.
>> We will respond to you as soon as possible.
>>
>> Please include the string: ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:ref in the body of
>> all future correspondence with regards to this ticket. To do so, you may
>> simply reply to this message.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> .IN Registry Relations
>> URL: http://www.registry.in
>> E-mail: services@registry.in
>> Phone: +91-11-4644-8888
>> Fax: +91-11-4644-8844
>>
>> This communication, together with any information attached hereto or
>> linked
>> herein, contains confidential information of NIXI and is provided for the
>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized disclosure or use
>> of
>> this information is strictly prohibited.
>
1) IN Registry
2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
cc: Dr. Gulshan Rai (Director General E-Security/GoI) for information.
Dear Sirs,
Further to my recent email on this issue, my colleagues just inform me
that the CDAC.IN website page for "ALLAH" (ie. the sole God of Islam)
has been similarly defaced / hacked since Sept 2012 seemingly by a
registered user.of CDAC with user name "Ostensibly1".
URL is http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Allah
I am attaching the PDF screenshots from the CDAC.IN website, and also
from Google.com, as ex-facie evidence.
As this is now an extremely serious matter affecting the religious
sensibilities of almost every Indian citizen, I am hereby calling upon
all of you (jointly or severally) to immediately suspend the .IN
domain name "CDAC.IN" and block its abusive contents in the national
interest, and refer this matter to the appropriate committees under IT
Act or IN domain.policy framework or new National Cybercrime Policy
etc for inquiry / investigation.
I am also marking a copy of this email to Dr. Gulshan Rai and his team
at the Ministry of IT for their knowledge.
Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor,
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024
Tel : +91-8010205897
ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:
On 8/17/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> 1) IN Registry
> 2) Abuse@Bigrock.com
> 3) Nodal officer - CDAC.IN
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> We thank you for registering this case promptly in IN Registry.
>
> We wish to further advise you that in our opinion the domain name
> "CDAC.IN" which is a high profile domain name directly under the
> Ministry of Information Technology, and which website has an extremely
> high page rank of "8" on Google search engine, is having its web pages
> being secretly sold by corrupt officers of CDAC Pune for SEO (Search
> Engine Optimisation) to anti-national foreign interests.
>
> In the process, almost each and every abusive practice prohibited by
> the .IN anti-abuse policy is taking place from this domain name
> CDAC.IN, which is a reserved name for the Ministry of Defence, but
> which C-DAC is cyber-squatting on since 2005.
>
> It is pertinent to mention that the Director General of C-DAC, one Mr.
> Rajat Moona formerly of the Department of Computer Science and
> Engineering (CSE), IIT Kanpur, is the prime person responsible for the
> corrupt private sale of CDAC.IN web pages to international BOTNET
> cartels and cyber spammers, without care or regard if these persons
> promote grossly offensive content which hurts the sensibilities of
> Indian citizens over CDAC.IN's cyber resources or violate Indian laws.
>
> By way of example of the corruption of Mr. Rajat Moona, who appears to
> be in the pay and pocket of US spammers and pornographers such as
> Wikimedia foundation Inc. I am citing the case of the following URL
> under CDAC.IN domain name
>
> http://gistwiki.cdac.in/GISTEnWiki/index.php?title=Sai_Baba_of_Shirdi
>
> The PDF screen shot is attached herewith and contains malicious links
> to tens of misleading.pornographic, online gambling and fake loan or
> phishing / pharming websites etc.
> designed to cheat Indian citizens and reveal their passwords and bank
> details.
>
> One such link leads to URL
> http://www.sudokuhints.com/chicken-little-slots/
> a pharming site disguised as online gambling casino
>
> That CDAC (a registered society directly under DEITY) would allow,
> since at least 2012, the malicious use of its website page relating to
> a highly iconic religious saint of India, ie Sai Baba of Shirdi
> (@Shirdi Sai Baba) belonging to my religious order is outrageous and
> criminal, and the members of my religious order are now sworn to get
> such grossly offensive filth and its perpetrators removed and
> prosecuted under IN domain name policy and framework, the Information
> Technology Act, the Indian Penal Code, the Prevention of Corruption
> Act etc.
>
> We are attaching various PDF files as ex-facie evidence that the
> domain name CDAC.IN requires to be suspended immediately, if the
> Registrant is unable to disable each and every offensive/ abusive
> content and link on their domain / websites within 36 hours of this
> email.
>
> We suggest that the sub-domain "gistwiki.cdac.in" which is strangely
> directly under the control of Wikimedia Foundation Inc USA, be
> disabled immediately, but its entire contents be faithfully preserved
> as evidence for at least 90 days as required under IT Act and Rules.
> It is pertinent to mention that my order since April 2014 has been
> regularly complaining / reporting about the corrupting influence and
> misuse / abuse of IN domain names by Wikimedia Foundation Inc of USA
> to the competent authorities.
>
> We hope that you shall cooperate with us and adhere to the law of the land.
>
> Thanks
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> National Convenor,
> India Against Corruption, jan andolan
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
> Tel : +91-8010205897
>
> On 8/16/14, .IN Support <noreply@salesforce.com> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Please be advised ticket number 00081602 has been assigned for this
>> issue.
>> We will respond to you as soon as possible.
>>
>> Please include the string: ref:_00DD0CWb4._500D0h7MH6:ref in the body of
>> all future correspondence with regards to this ticket. To do so, you may
>> simply reply to this message.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> .IN Registry Relations
>> URL: http://www.registry.in
>> E-mail: services@registry.in
>> Phone: +91-11-4644-8888
>> Fax: +91-11-4644-8844
>>
>> This communication, together with any information attached hereto or
>> linked
>> herein, contains confidential information of NIXI and is provided for the
>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized disclosure or use
>> of
>> this information is strictly prohibited.
>
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Dear Hemant
Well put.
1) Prohibition of alcohol, cow slaughter etc are Constitutional
Directive Principles of state policy. Slaughter of buffaloes is also
to be prohibited by the states. All these things are under the state
governments who were envisaged to enact their necessary regulations.
However, for local reasons (votes, notes) they mostly choose to ignore
it and do the exact opposite. So these issues are not personal (you
are wrong) but imperatives.
2) Citizens are not opposed to pornography or alcohol 'per se'.
Citizens are opposed to the excessive commercialisation and
distribution of alcohol, narcotics, pornography, online gambling,
organised prostitution etc which are essentially controlled by mafias
and which cause the subversion of institutions like police, judiciary,
media etc which are essential for a democracy to exist. It is
certainly a sad day when States must depend on revenue from alcohol or
cigarette taxation to pay salaries of their public servants.
The reason we discuss porn and cows at IAC is as graphic symbols that
the states are not adhering to the Constitutional imperatives while
framing their policies and regulations. These are symptoms of a wider
malaise. Do we have a PM from Gujarat today BECAUSE his state has long
banned open alcohol sale and prohibits cow slaughter there ?
3) If you carefully study USA controlled sites like Wikipedia or
Google, you will understand that their dominance is an insidious
threat to the Indian nation. China has understood this very well and
controlled the shit out of them. We must too. Within the space of 10
years Wikipedia has erased our Indian culture and history and
rewritten it to suit their imperialist agenda. The minds of our school
children are being destroyed by this so-called encyclopedia every time
they use it for their homework assignments. People have been blindly
conditioned to trust Wikipedia.
4) I will teach you how to fight. But you must clear your mind and be
focused. 'Josh' is good but 'Hosh' is better. Think like the Army does
- One enemy One bullet. You cannot pick and choose your target - it
will be chosen for you. .. yours not to question why .. yours but to
do and die ...
Sarbajit
On 8/16/14, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> Please can you mention how pornography is greater cause of spiritual
> corruption? First people in india suffer from corruption in basic
> amenities. We should look into that. Not a sophisticated higher level of
> corruption like porn. I firmly believe that such options are highly
> personal. The next day we will have to crack down on alcohol. The next in
> quest of becoming a himalaya sage highly morally uncorrupted we have to
> quit eating spice and oil.
>
> India was a pioneer in sex science when usa was still grappling in dark aka
> the kajuraho caves and kamasutra. Instead of some website why we do not try
> for bollywood movies? In bollywood movies the only progranda used is one
> female is impressed by a male. It is more derogatory than a porn film to
> any female who is pictured as one who has no will or a brainless rapeable
> spiritless body. Give her a flower or protect her from a goon and she is
> your.
>
> Anyways you are TRUE about wikipedia. I have experienced it many times. I
> edited reliance page congress page with due references both were declined
> by moderator.
>
> Everything has positive and negative side but that does not means we follow
> everything blindly. Whats app has more porn sharing than anywhere else. So
> can we stop that too? Can anyone on this forum say with TRUE heart that
> they have not laughed over any nonveg joke?
>
> I am on this forum for fighting bad people because of whom our life
> standard is depressed, first then after we win and sustained that victory
> we can divert to grey areas.
>
> One day we are discussing about beef the other day porn. Wtf we should
> discuss corruption of nation and tools to eradicate it or atleast methods
> to fight it, like it will be then something meaningful. I want experienced
> people to come ahead on this forum and teach youngsters like us how to
> fight this corrupted machinery.
>
> Teach me to fight, I will teach others too so we get more people who are
> willing here for fighting corruption.
>
> Regards,
> Hemant
Well put.
1) Prohibition of alcohol, cow slaughter etc are Constitutional
Directive Principles of state policy. Slaughter of buffaloes is also
to be prohibited by the states. All these things are under the state
governments who were envisaged to enact their necessary regulations.
However, for local reasons (votes, notes) they mostly choose to ignore
it and do the exact opposite. So these issues are not personal (you
are wrong) but imperatives.
2) Citizens are not opposed to pornography or alcohol 'per se'.
Citizens are opposed to the excessive commercialisation and
distribution of alcohol, narcotics, pornography, online gambling,
organised prostitution etc which are essentially controlled by mafias
and which cause the subversion of institutions like police, judiciary,
media etc which are essential for a democracy to exist. It is
certainly a sad day when States must depend on revenue from alcohol or
cigarette taxation to pay salaries of their public servants.
The reason we discuss porn and cows at IAC is as graphic symbols that
the states are not adhering to the Constitutional imperatives while
framing their policies and regulations. These are symptoms of a wider
malaise. Do we have a PM from Gujarat today BECAUSE his state has long
banned open alcohol sale and prohibits cow slaughter there ?
3) If you carefully study USA controlled sites like Wikipedia or
Google, you will understand that their dominance is an insidious
threat to the Indian nation. China has understood this very well and
controlled the shit out of them. We must too. Within the space of 10
years Wikipedia has erased our Indian culture and history and
rewritten it to suit their imperialist agenda. The minds of our school
children are being destroyed by this so-called encyclopedia every time
they use it for their homework assignments. People have been blindly
conditioned to trust Wikipedia.
4) I will teach you how to fight. But you must clear your mind and be
focused. 'Josh' is good but 'Hosh' is better. Think like the Army does
- One enemy One bullet. You cannot pick and choose your target - it
will be chosen for you. .. yours not to question why .. yours but to
do and die ...
Sarbajit
On 8/16/14, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> Please can you mention how pornography is greater cause of spiritual
> corruption? First people in india suffer from corruption in basic
> amenities. We should look into that. Not a sophisticated higher level of
> corruption like porn. I firmly believe that such options are highly
> personal. The next day we will have to crack down on alcohol. The next in
> quest of becoming a himalaya sage highly morally uncorrupted we have to
> quit eating spice and oil.
>
> India was a pioneer in sex science when usa was still grappling in dark aka
> the kajuraho caves and kamasutra. Instead of some website why we do not try
> for bollywood movies? In bollywood movies the only progranda used is one
> female is impressed by a male. It is more derogatory than a porn film to
> any female who is pictured as one who has no will or a brainless rapeable
> spiritless body. Give her a flower or protect her from a goon and she is
> your.
>
> Anyways you are TRUE about wikipedia. I have experienced it many times. I
> edited reliance page congress page with due references both were declined
> by moderator.
>
> Everything has positive and negative side but that does not means we follow
> everything blindly. Whats app has more porn sharing than anywhere else. So
> can we stop that too? Can anyone on this forum say with TRUE heart that
> they have not laughed over any nonveg joke?
>
> I am on this forum for fighting bad people because of whom our life
> standard is depressed, first then after we win and sustained that victory
> we can divert to grey areas.
>
> One day we are discussing about beef the other day porn. Wtf we should
> discuss corruption of nation and tools to eradicate it or atleast methods
> to fight it, like it will be then something meaningful. I want experienced
> people to come ahead on this forum and teach youngsters like us how to
> fight this corrupted machinery.
>
> Teach me to fight, I will teach others too so we get more people who are
> willing here for fighting corruption.
>
> Regards,
> Hemant
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Dear All
Neighbours of Nudist Club complained and the club was shifted but still the complaints continued as Nudists were visible on telescope.
Does the Porn come to your inbox or you surf for it.
And if you look for it to condemn it then I have nothing to say.
Ratanlal Purohit
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Re- Ban Cow slaughter, Pornography, etc.
We have dowry prohibition act, we have child labor prohibition act, Can any body give a single example in which action was taken against any body, Suo Moto, in this country under this provisions of law?
Is it means that no dowry payment takes place in this country , or Is this means that No child works as labour in this country?
The simple and fair solution to end this menace was not legislative, that is why the legislation failed to bring any change
The issues are mainly social and it has to be addressed socially. Our society wants every kind of solution by political method. whether it is banning porno or cow slaughter, or tobaco. U can't ban alcohol completely, or using tobaco, But regulate it , by imposing fine on drunken driving , smoking at public places etc.
Prono issue was examined by SC many times ,. people who want ban does not know how it can be banned, if you prohibit some bad sites you may even unable to get good site also. Suppose u ban all sites with word sex u will loose many medico information sites with word sex.
Prono issues is social , it can be controlled only by social awareness education etc. Let our courts and police concentrate upon serious crimes affecting fellow citizen's life and liberty.
If any body wants any kind of ban on any subject then let them come out with complete solution and specific as to how it can be completely implemented. If you don't have any solution then don't demand any thing more from the govt. Remember govt is controlled and manned by human beings, they are not having any magical power to give any solution which is proven impractical by experience.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh@nyayabhoomi.org> wrote:
Sarabjit
Leave Sanjeev, Supratim and SKC alone. They are my mates. You are welcome to join us. Let us work and fight together against Mr. you-know-who.
It has been long. Let us sit and chat over a few glasses of sweet dahi ki lassi about KFC (Khaps, Fish, Cows). How about Tuesday afternoon my place? Or Def Col Tuesday around 7:30 pm?
Regards
Rakesh
From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Supratim Basu
Sent: 16 August 2014 13:17
Dear Sarbajit,
This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what about your fight with porn?
Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the IAC position.
Thanks
Supratim
On 16 August 2014 12:52, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim
Lets agree to leave the ranting about Khaps and cow murder to morally
confused people like Sanjeev who have nothing better to discuss.
http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2011/08/two-ways-to-reform-alcoholics-1-beat-them-with-a-belt-or-2-support-them/
or
https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10152626255293767
or
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
While we folx silently go about reforming the Indian state in our own wayz
http://national-intelligence-grid-natgrid.blogspot.in/
Sarbajit
On 8/14/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> First cows, now porn.
>
> What next: an IAC Khap Panchayat which bans women from wearing jeans and
> using mobiles?
>
> Way to go!
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Dear Supratim
1) IAC has not spoofed Sanjeev Sabhlok or spoofed SKC. Why should we
waste our time on such irrelevant fools and the cyber dramatics they
employ to promote themselves ?
2) In India ALL internet porn is (a) prohibited (b) NOT covered under
free speech. That is the legal position - not IAC's.
3) There is a huge lobby of foreign financed haramis working overtime
to align India's position on pornography with that of USA or Denmark.
4) Since you track telecom, you know well the ARPU hit on their
bottomlines if net-porn is actually stopped.
5) At the moment we are working to get the existing IT laws enforced
administratively. In other words requiring that the babu's
discretionary powers be uniformly applied.
Sarbajit
On 8/16/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit,
>
> This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to
> comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
>
> And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to
> "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what
> about your fight with porn?
>
> Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the
> IAC position.
>
> Thanks
>
> Supratim
1) IAC has not spoofed Sanjeev Sabhlok or spoofed SKC. Why should we
waste our time on such irrelevant fools and the cyber dramatics they
employ to promote themselves ?
2) In India ALL internet porn is (a) prohibited (b) NOT covered under
free speech. That is the legal position - not IAC's.
3) There is a huge lobby of foreign financed haramis working overtime
to align India's position on pornography with that of USA or Denmark.
4) Since you track telecom, you know well the ARPU hit on their
bottomlines if net-porn is actually stopped.
5) At the moment we are working to get the existing IT laws enforced
administratively. In other words requiring that the babu's
discretionary powers be uniformly applied.
Sarbajit
On 8/16/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit,
>
> This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to
> comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
>
> And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to
> "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what
> about your fight with porn?
>
> Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the
> IAC position.
>
> Thanks
>
> Supratim
RE: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Sarabjit
Leave Sanjeev, Supratim and SKC alone. They are my mates. You are welcome to join us. Let us work and fight together against Mr. you-know-who.
It has been long. Let us sit and chat over a few glasses of sweet dahi ki lassi about KFC (Khaps, Fish, Cows). How about Tuesday afternoon my place? Or Def Col Tuesday around 7:30 pm?
Regards
Rakesh
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Sent: 16 August 2014 13:17
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Dear Sarbajit,
This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what about your fight with porn?
Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the IAC position.
Thanks
Supratim
On 16 August 2014 12:52, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim
Lets agree to leave the ranting about Khaps and cow murder to morally
confused people like Sanjeev who have nothing better to discuss.
http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2011/08/two-ways-to-reform-alcoholics-1-beat-them-with-a-belt-or-2-support-them/
or
https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10152626255293767
or
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
While we folx silently go about reforming the Indian state in our own wayz
http://national-intelligence-grid-natgrid.blogspot.in/
Sarbajit
On 8/14/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> First cows, now porn.
>
> What next: an IAC Khap Panchayat which bans women from wearing jeans and
> using mobiles?
>
> Way to go!
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Again I would have the same question, do we need moral policing/ legislation to be better people.
Pornography was always there, perhaps internet made it more readily available, but the same internet also have other useful information. So why there is increasing cases of pornography and why not increasing examples of enteprenuership, or technical innovations or use of solar energy for lighting cities, towns.
I feel its the moral fabric of the society for and our very own education system which has got us to this juncture. Its us who have to choose, we have to make choices, Mr. Modi is not going to make choices for us, he may give us options but ultimately it would be the people.
Aikant
On 9 Aug 2014 01:36, "Ankit Khetan" <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Whether twitter familiarity is due to twitter supporting porn full fledgedly?
And can we ask Narendra Modi to stop supporting twitter and show a greater respect for woman?
Ankit Khetan
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Dear Sarbajit,
This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?Thanks
Supratim
On 16 August 2014 12:52, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim
Lets agree to leave the ranting about Khaps and cow murder to morally
confused people like Sanjeev who have nothing better to discuss.
http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2011/08/two-ways-to-reform-alcoholics-1-beat-them-with-a-belt-or-2-support-them/
or
https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10152626255293767
or
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
While we folx silently go about reforming the Indian state in our own wayz
http://national-intelligence-grid-natgrid.blogspot.in/
Sarbajit
On 8/14/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> First cows, now porn.
>
> What next: an IAC Khap Panchayat which bans women from wearing jeans and
> using mobiles?
>
> Way to go!
>
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Dear Supratim
Lets agree to leave the ranting about Khaps and cow murder to morally
confused people like Sanjeev who have nothing better to discuss.
http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2011/08/two-ways-to-reform-alcoholics-1-beat-them-with-a-belt-or-2-support-them/
or
https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10152626255293767
or
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
While we folx silently go about reforming the Indian state in our own wayz
http://national-intelligence-grid-natgrid.blogspot.in/
Sarbajit
On 8/14/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> First cows, now porn.
>
> What next: an IAC Khap Panchayat which bans women from wearing jeans and
> using mobiles?
>
> Way to go!
>
Lets agree to leave the ranting about Khaps and cow murder to morally
confused people like Sanjeev who have nothing better to discuss.
http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2011/08/two-ways-to-reform-alcoholics-1-beat-them-with-a-belt-or-2-support-them/
or
https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10152626255293767
or
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html
While we folx silently go about reforming the Indian state in our own wayz
http://national-intelligence-grid-natgrid.blogspot.in/
Sarbajit
On 8/14/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> First cows, now porn.
>
> What next: an IAC Khap Panchayat which bans women from wearing jeans and
> using mobiles?
>
> Way to go!
>
Thursday, August 14, 2014
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14/8/14
Dear Mr. S. Roy
Pornography is an abuse of the fundamental right to freedom of speech and expression.I believe there are 2 PILs in the SC on-
1. Internet freedom and 2.
Crime and violence on TVs .
So it is strictly not in the domain of the Govt. only. But the Govt. has been dragging its feet on controlling the same through proper legislative/regulatory measures.
I agree with you that this filth is US/Europe generated and being spread all in the name of democratic/human rights by powerful groups. Our media is also now in their control.
Our own film industry is responsible for excessive crime and violence on TV.
Regds
JKGaur
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:44 +0530
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Dear Hemant (also Ankit etc)
You have asked a pertinent question. Pornography on Twitter.com or
Blogspot.com is not our problem or our concern. But, when it is
pornography on "Blogspot.IN" it is certainly within our scope.
Pornography is actual "corruption" unlike bribes, and scams etc. which
the other side uses to divert us.
FYI, last week I got massive pornography sites like
a) "redtube.in"
b) "xxxlive.in"
c) "megatop.in"
d) "hotrex.in"
shut down (probably temporarily) using administrative measures. So
this shows that the system exists and works if it has to.
But the Govt is too scared to shut down sites controlled by google and
wikipedia because of so-called NGO Free Speech lobbies which are
foreign financed NGO haramis who say that pornography is allowed in
name of free speech. In other words they are trying to convert India
into US to peddle their filth. Narendra Modi Govt (like Congress Govt
before them) doesn't the balls to shut down Google and Wikipedia which
would rank among the biggest cyber-pornographers on this planet.
We can stop them, easily, but how many of us here are willing to fight
actual corruption?
Sarbajit
On 8/13/14, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are we discussing such issues when there are other important topics in
> India.
> On Aug 11, 2014 12:45 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ankhit
>>
>> Ask yourself:
>>
>> 1) What can be done about this ?
>> 2) What can 1 person do against this ?
>> 3) What can *I* do about this ?
>>
>> Then post your brief answers to this list and I will show you what *I*
>> am doing about this problem and what *you* can do about this, and what
>> *we* can do about this.
>>
>> Don't place your faith in Mr. Modi - he (and his ministers) are very
>> much involved in spreading this American filth in our nation as was
>> the previous ruling dispensation. As always they take action against
>> the small fish, but the big ones like Twitter and Google become bigger
>> and bigger.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On 8/8/14, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> > Whether twitter familiarity is due to twitter supporting porn full
>> > fledgedly?
>> > And can we ask Narendra Modi to stop supporting twitter and show a
>> greater
>> > respect for woman?
>> >
>> > Ankit Khetan
>> > India
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Re: [IAC#RG] Differences between IAC and AAP
Right you are.
If you just go to the survey trend on http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ of today, 40% of participants feel that AAP is on way out.
Manmohan
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,Greetings.The AAP AND MrChiranjeevi's party ( which got merged with CongI) have a seemingly similar background/ genetics.Both wanted to channelise( capitalize?) the honest aspirations of youth and middle class for a corruption free society.I feel sad to say that what Mr Chiranjeevi has done in Telugu, Mr Kejeriwal is doing in Hindi.As In the case of Mr Chirenjeevi's party the youth and middle class which supported his initial idea NOW feel let downand a good idea was run into waste / useless terrain. The tragedy is the youth and the middle lass will go into a shell leaving the field open for self seeking riff raff to call the shots and grab control of the state and preside over the fate of the youth and middleclass.What guarantee is there that Mr K and his AAP will not go The previous Mr C and his Praja Party way.VeteranTTK.
On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
G] IAC does not sleep in bed with communal or corrupt forces like AAP does.F] IAC remembers its history and ideology very well, and these guide our every step.E] IAC does not compromise on its core principles.D] IAC is secular and without lust for power or self-publicity.C] There is no high command in IAC.B] Within the limitations of our communication resources IAC endeavors to project all points of view.Dear IAC subscribers,
A] IAC has always respected its elders and seniors like Shanti Bhushanji and freely communicated all their wisdom and maturity to our cadres.
Lets define some differences between IAC and AAP
Over and out
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Dear All,
--
Greetings.
The AAP AND MrChiranjeevi's party ( which got merged with CongI) have a seemingly similar background/ genetics.
Both wanted to channelise( capitalize?) the honest aspirations of youth and middle class for a corruption free society.
I feel sad to say that what Mr Chiranjeevi has done in Telugu, Mr Kejeriwal is doing in Hindi.
As In the case of Mr Chirenjeevi's party the youth and middle class which supported his initial idea NOW feel let down
and a good idea was run into waste / useless terrain. The tragedy is the youth and the middle lass will go into a shell leaving the field open for self seeking riff raff to call the shots and grab control of the state and preside over the fate of the youth and middleclass.
What guarantee is there that Mr K and his AAP will not go The previous Mr C and his Praja Party way.
VeteranTTK.
On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
G] IAC does not sleep in bed with communal or corrupt forces like AAP does.F] IAC remembers its history and ideology very well, and these guide our every step.E] IAC does not compromise on its core principles.D] IAC is secular and without lust for power or self-publicity.C] There is no high command in IAC.B] Within the limitations of our communication resources IAC endeavors to project all points of view.Dear IAC subscribers,
A] IAC has always respected its elders and seniors like Shanti Bhushanji and freely communicated all their wisdom and maturity to our cadres.
Lets define some differences between IAC and AAP
Over and out
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[IAC#RG] Differences between IAC and AAP
Dear IAC subscribers,
Lets define some differences between IAC and AAP
Over and out
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Why are we discussing such issues when there are other important topics in India.
On Aug 11, 2014 12:45 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ankhit
Ask yourself:
1) What can be done about this ?
2) What can 1 person do against this ?
3) What can *I* do about this ?
Then post your brief answers to this list and I will show you what *I*
am doing about this problem and what *you* can do about this, and what
*we* can do about this.
Don't place your faith in Mr. Modi - he (and his ministers) are very
much involved in spreading this American filth in our nation as was
the previous ruling dispensation. As always they take action against
the small fish, but the big ones like Twitter and Google become bigger
and bigger.
Sarbajit
On 8/8/14, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Whether twitter familiarity is due to twitter supporting porn full
> fledgedly?
> And can we ask Narendra Modi to stop supporting twitter and show a greater
> respect for woman?
>
> Ankit Khetan
> India
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Tuesday, August 12, 2014
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Let us not beat round the bush. Rather than targeting Modi & Co, one must focus on Indians, especially the influential ones, who are in-charge of, if not working with, such companies like Apple, Google, Twitter, Microsoft, LinkedIn, Dreamworks, Facebook, AT&T, Disney, Sony, Yahoo! etc. Check link
http://www.businessinsider.in/These-Are-The-Most-Influential-Indians-In-US-Tech/articleshow/32822195.cms
And as far as Modi is concerned, maybe you can ask him and his Ministers to come out with a law banning the use of Google, Yahoo! accounts etc. for Govt. work and disallow them from using such free services, but use the desi ones like NIC instead. Maybe you can also ask them to prosecute these Babus under Official Secrets Act 1923 for using such "firangi" free services for exchange of classified documents.
Best wishes
Manoj
(Ps. Sarbajit: Do you think our desi haramis would approach these Indians to do something good for the country. I think not. Instead these NGOs would approaching them for funds and free trips to foreign countries instead. I bet.)
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On Sat, 8/9/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2014, 1:59 PM
Dear Ankhit
Ask yourself:
1) What can be done about this
?
2) What can 1 person do against this ?
3) What can *I* do about this ?
Then post your brief answers
to this list and I will show you what *I*
am
doing about this problem and what *you* can do about this,
and what
*we* can do about this.
Don't place your faith in
Mr. Modi - he (and his ministers) are very
much involved in spreading this American filth
in our nation as was
the previous ruling
dispensation. As always they take action against
the small fish, but the big ones like Twitter
and Google become bigger
and bigger.
Sarbajit
On
8/8/14, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
> Whether twitter familiarity is
due to twitter supporting porn full
>
fledgedly?
> And can we ask Narendra Modi
to stop supporting twitter and show a greater
> respect for woman?
>
> Ankit Khetan
> India
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http://www.businessinsider.in/These-Are-The-Most-Influential-Indians-In-US-Tech/articleshow/32822195.cms
And as far as Modi is concerned, maybe you can ask him and his Ministers to come out with a law banning the use of Google, Yahoo! accounts etc. for Govt. work and disallow them from using such free services, but use the desi ones like NIC instead. Maybe you can also ask them to prosecute these Babus under Official Secrets Act 1923 for using such "firangi" free services for exchange of classified documents.
Best wishes
Manoj
(Ps. Sarbajit: Do you think our desi haramis would approach these Indians to do something good for the country. I think not. Instead these NGOs would approaching them for funds and free trips to foreign countries instead. I bet.)
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On Sat, 8/9/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2014, 1:59 PM
Dear Ankhit
Ask yourself:
1) What can be done about this
?
2) What can 1 person do against this ?
3) What can *I* do about this ?
Then post your brief answers
to this list and I will show you what *I*
am
doing about this problem and what *you* can do about this,
and what
*we* can do about this.
Don't place your faith in
Mr. Modi - he (and his ministers) are very
much involved in spreading this American filth
in our nation as was
the previous ruling
dispensation. As always they take action against
the small fish, but the big ones like Twitter
and Google become bigger
and bigger.
Sarbajit
On
8/8/14, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
> Whether twitter familiarity is
due to twitter supporting porn full
>
fledgedly?
> And can we ask Narendra Modi
to stop supporting twitter and show a greater
> respect for woman?
>
> Ankit Khetan
> India
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Monday, August 11, 2014
Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Answer of your question:
1. The problem can be solved by fast and fair justice.
It require upgradation of system like: upgrade of Courts, Judicial system, creating infrastructure for police where not there, new technology arms and ammunization to Police-Hawaldar, increasing no. of days of Parliament for ammendment of laws which are in controversial with judicial system, upgradation of crime finding technique, making Govt. website security certificate update, timely payment of salary and pension, filling of vacancy (if there is decrease in number of SC/ST person then let the vacancy to be filled by General candidate, so that ongoing work should be smooth), fast clearance of grievance system (like pgportal) etc.
From where will the money come. India has large amount of Foreign Exchange Reserve in Gold, USD currency. I am not asking to sell gold. But we can use USD currency to pay loan by which large amount of interest can be saved which is paid out of tax payers money. If whole the money saved can be put into above upgradation of system, then solution may be visible.
2.
i) Person like me can create awareness.(May be something more, want time to think)
ii) Person like you (Sarabjit) can create pressure.
iii) Person like Modi can give effect to change.
iv) Person like Election Commission can update their system (like update of voter's photo which is missing in website, by which passport fraud terrorism activity can be controlled to an extent)
3. May be more clarity on what we can do will be by your reply.
Ankit Khetan
India
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2014 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn
Dear Ankhit
Ask yourself:
1) What can be done about this ?
2) What can 1 person do against this ?
3) What can *I* do about this ?
Then post your brief answers to this list and I will show you what *I*
am doing about this problem and what *you* can do about this, and what
*we* can do about this.
Don't place your faith in Mr. Modi - he (and his ministers) are very
much involved in spreading this American filth in our nation as was
the previous ruling dispensation. As always they take action against
the small fish, but the big ones like Twitter and Google become bigger
and bigger.
Sarbajit
On 8/8/14, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Whether twitter familiarity is due to twitter supporting porn full
> fledgedly?
> And can we ask Narendra Modi to stop supporting twitter and show a greater
> respect for woman?
>
> Ankit Khetan
> India
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Re: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy
The Cow An eternal friend of man and closest to him in the animal family of herbivorous species its milk near equal nourisher as human milk. It was a companion like the dog of every tribe and human family since ages wherever found. It was also provider of meat was slain for this purpose too. Its copious mention in Rig Veda is a testimony to its status in ancient Aryan society when they too consumed beef. That the cow was also part of tribal food and a sacrificial animal is quite established. It was only in later period around 2500 BC and later that cows became protected for milk and household facilities as Aryan tribes moved East ! That is when they must have found enough alternatives to tap on to replace meat! The Indo Gangetic plain was flush with vegetation and fruits etc with enough to graze on . Obviously must not have been so in their earlier habitation which must have been cold without much greenery. Another deduction that Aryans came from outside, horse skeleton fossils also a testimony to this . Remains found dating back to 2500 BC are spread across Taxila - NW Pakistan and earliest around 1200 BC and later in Indo Gangetic plains in creeping advance with Aryan settlements as they conquered eastwards .The horse was their near sacred iconic companion a war mount . associated with Kshattriyas . Acquisition of territory marked by Ashwamedh Yagya. So Aryan clan heads clamped down on killing of cows by priests anointing this animal with Devine status to protect it in the wild environment. Aryans did the same with elephant when they they hit thick forests of India where horse was useless. Couldn't move. Found elephant as close a companion to local tribes as horse and cow to them. A versatile and powerful animal very mobile in jungles , the only help in clearing forests for settlements. The priest were ordered to anoint them too as Ganesh ! 300elephants were gifted by Chandragupta Marya to Greek governor Seleukas .
Well cow is sacred true. That harassment of cows is due to commercialisation of milk and meat is not true. The cow may be sacred to us only and not in Christianity, Judaism,and Islam yet cows in white Christian countries where beef is staple food and a commercial product , as also milk , cows are not harassed , kept better than humans here , nowhere seen on streets and stray ! Reason is Hindus are insensitive to what they believe in themselves. Disassociate with actions that signify their belief hence remain only ritualistic . This is a debility which makes Hindus weak. Well why was this not so earlier? Say in ancient India? Because there was no such social contraption as Hindu! The king was supreme and his state rigidly disciplined. You could sell milk but not harm the cow! Commerce was watched by kings councils. Cows were not stay but herded. Society was structured with roles for each segment. A king could not do business , cows were herded and protected by yadavs another strata etc.
Yes we should ban cow slaughter , just import beef . Ban stray cattle too. And stray children but all this requires will and discipline . Both not possible in a free wheeling society where becoming a billionaire , gold, greed and glitter are route to Gods . Idols to whom tributes are paid in temples and homes remain speechless even if a cow is slaughtered exit to them ! This is Hinduism!
Chauhan
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I believe a forum like "indiaresists" should be the one where we can share our knowledge and ignorance alike, freely. Remarks made in ignorance should be tolerated, but the forum should not tolerate one who is adamant to be ignorantvinod bansalOn Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Shantharam Shenai <garbageguru@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends,Harassment of the INDIAN COW took place only due to the commercialisation of milk and meat.The value & merit of the INDIAN cow does not get properly evaluated in the buisness of auction.The intangible benefits of the INDIAN COW far exceed any G.D.P. determined model.I am ashamed to declare that a relative of my elder sister ( brother in law ) owns AL KABEER.He is an ex NAVY officer. !When the true economic value of the INDIAN Cow is understood, NO one will slaughter cows, or export the meat.MOO MOO,Shantharam ShenaiOn Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
8/8/14
Dear Sir,I did not find any rejoinder from S. Roy on this link.Mr. Jasim Mohammed, to start with, had suggested ban on cow slaughter in the interest of farmers and health of the children.In the process he quoted figure of milk production and export of meat to earn foreign exchange.But the discussion shfted to individual choice, religion and what happned during times of Vedas. Why go so far and see what has been provided in the Constitution which should govern the conduct of the Govt., the laws to be enacted and enforced.Mr. Jasim Mohd. figure of mild production and consumption of about 140 m. tons appears correct, though I feel the consumption should be in reality more otherwise people will not resort to such large scale adulteration as reported from time to time. India is not exporting nor can it export milk in the face of stiff competition from Australia Newzealand and european countries.India is exporting meat mainly as frozen to the gulf an d middle eastern countries but the figures quoted by him need to be rechecked.As per economic survey ofthe Govt.2008-9 the export of meat in 2007 was onlyUSD.931 Million which was less than 1% of total world trade. Surely it could not jump so high? Suggest recheck figure from the Annual Economic Survey presented by the Govt. only last month.APEDA figures if correctly reported appear suspect.Now I wish to quote Article 48 of the Constitution pertaining to Directive Principles of State, which are akin to fundamental rights except that they cannot be enforced in law Courts-"The State shall endeavour... and Shall take steps fir preserving and improving the breeds and prohibiting the slaughter of cows and calves and other m ilch and draught cattle".While the centre has failed to bring any legislation, some states have banned the slaughter of cows.I therefore fully support what Mr. Jasim Mohd had proposed. There is need to increase the production of mild,as we are the only country consuming fresh milk throughout the day.India has the highest cattle population in the worl but poor in health.If some people want justification on economic,religous or scientific basis,there is ample justification.RegdsJKGaur
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:08:00 +0530
From: ltcolttkishore@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy
Dear all in general and Sarvasri DiwanSingh and Bansal in particular.Greetings.What Er Sarbajit Roy has stated in his rejoinder ought to be understood and one should not argue for the sake of argument.When ' Karma Kand' wrt to yajnas and kratuvus are referred it would be better to be more knowledgeable and learn from Vedic authorities one can approach.( Iam not an Authority).Pashu Medha viz offering of Sheep/ goat/ horse/ cow and culminating in NarMedha is not a common ritual but a unique / rare affair. Further it was mentioned that NarMedha has an alternative of offering a recently martyred Warriors head and need not always be a living human being.Coming to Emperor Ashoka' s change of heart and adaption of concept of equality of all living creatures , it is a phase in evolution of human thought. Incidentally it is said Lord Buddha fell ill and died owing to consumption of putrid pork ( hog meat)dropped in his Begging Bowl( May be carelessly) and The Enlightened One had decided Not to reject the same to uphold the owes of Monkhood and Sanghm..Coming to the present times what was good or bad norms in the ancient times would evolve in to an acceptable form for this society.As declared by evolved sages of yore, " Let good and fresh thoughts enter our mind from all directions".VeteranTTK
On Tuesday, August 5, 2014, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr Kishore,I do not think the debate is much about Hinduism or it would be misplaced. In India, we have had a evolving culture. What happened in ancient times is not Bible's testament for us. We can adore, worship as well as abuse our devi devtas, with no qualms, no sacrilege.Its a flexible atmosphere in India and we can freely talk about whats right and wrong and not borrowing everything from past, or whats written in a religious text.At many places in India meat eating is a norm , so people from those regions are bound to react.I believe compassion, non-violence is a characteristics of brave people. To me meat eating is not an act of compassion. when confronted with a violent opponent, nothing wrong in getting violent. I have always done so and would always be. But killing someone who is defenceless, speechless, weak, innocent, does not appeal to me. So, I do not eat meat. Everybody is free to have their opinion.On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Indian Hindus who are meat eaters , usually consume chicken/ duck/fowl meat ,mutton, fish and a few also consume buffaloe meat( as a matter of taste or economics). All Hindus abhor Cows' meat. ( bulls, Oxen are NOT Cows). So raising hackles on the meat eating preferences of Indian Hindus is a non argument. There cannot be a vegetarian vs non vegeterian debate with underlyingTones of sanctimonious attitude. A Hindu in pursuit of truth adapts a diet to match his ,' tatvas' ie characteristics viz., Satvik/ Rajo/ tamas way of life. No superiority is noted based on diet . Ancient Rishi/ Munis treated diet as a sustenance of the physical body which is used in pursuit of ,' TRUTH'. We have anecdote of Agastya eating and digesting , Vatapi morphed as sheep and used as mutton to feed the sage. Even amongst the Caste Brahmins, the , ' Sakteyas' like Bengali/ Kashmiri/ Moiwal Brahmins have a diet of Fish and Mutton, but chicken/ eggs/ pork is treated impure. Cow is deified as it is an important link in the food chain for SatvilkPeople and the main source for bulls and oxen very critical for agriculture.Veteran TTK--
On Monday, August 4, 2014, apvergheses <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Arguments on moral ground with myopic views to create differences in society on the strength of circumstances need to be condemned. What right any one has to disturb the social fabric of the country by pushing what an individual wants. This world will become a mad place if every body is allowed to fight for what he thinks is right. These people talk about killing with out understanding that life is there in every thing they eat and drink. Does he not know that human being had to eliminate animals when they become a threat or nuisance leave aside need to fill the stomach. Large majority of people lived for ages and still living in this world by eating nonveg. Some health problem mental or physical can create hatred for some food we eat. Better not to impose such feelings on others to maintain harmony.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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Date:04/08/2014 17:20 (GMT+05:30)
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy
Poonamji,Hindu is not a religion unlike Muslim or christianity. Its a culture, evolved over times.Whether you consider me a Hindu or not, I do not care, but I am an Indian and have inherited some ethos from my parents and society that compassion is what defines humanity.I am a pure vegetarian and would like ban on chicken and mutton too. Rather, in some manner I am trying at a level.Please do not mislead by calling it a Hindu agenda. Sorry! Hindus, almost all over the country eat meat. At some places they eat beef as well.I believe its a matter of your moral duty to other living beings.And, we should not brush off an issue by raising question on other issues. If you do not feel a moral duty to stop such slaughter, its your choice.On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Poonam Agarwal <poonam.agarwal88@gmail.com> wrote:
The discussion is neither scientific , economic or moral.it is simply HINDUTVA driven COW centric discussion...do any one has courage to ban chicken and goats????'.......come on scientific and moral people....let us talk about banning chicken and goat..
On Aug 3, 2014 4:04 PM, "Diwan Singh" <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Gaushalas are the place where abandoned cattle should go. Thats what the system rightfully devised by our ancestors.
Also, Mr Batti, our sacrificial practices have evolved and we do not follow that now. Certainly, there are greater moral reasons not to kill the animals. Morality has a place in society, its above science, economics, and selfishness. If we do not bother about that, then there is hardly any scope for arguement.On 3 Aug 2014 04:16, "Aikant Bhatti" <dr3917@gmail.com> wrote:
I would differ on the opinion, about meat export and cow slaughter. I guess every one must have seen cows, on roads at times being killed or maimed by the vehicular traffic. We can also find cattle eating rubbish at the garbage dumps, to simplify "no one" cares but every one wants the profit through milk or meat.
Cow has been referred to be holy animal and has religious sentiments attached to it.
If we look at times when settlers we settling along the indus river and civilization was expanding animals were being domesticated cows, goats, ox, sheeps and horses for the purpose of agriculture and as a source of proteins.Meat was used since vedic times for sacrifices and it included goats, sheeps, cows, bulls and horses. Yagas with animal sacrifices were being performed and the slaughtered animal was regarded as holy food, which was distributed and cooked. The meat was integral part of the culture since the beginning of the civilisation.
However the concern is " Not" to eat beef or not to eat beef. The concern is to why not rest the poor animal who in any case will be end being hit by a vehicle or eating rubbish.
I strongly feel that ancient religious practice's need to be validated with scientific findings and sound reasoning.On 1 Aug 2014 11:03, "Dharmendra Kumar Dewan" <dsmcho@gmail.com> wrote:
i am in agreement with the unbiased, scientific & nationalistic views expressed by the writer Mr Jasmin Mohammed....this is how we as indians should think & act ...
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jasim Mohammad <jasimmd@gmail.com> wrote:
" Stop Meat Export , Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy"
* Jasim Mohammad Since ancient times , animals particularly cow and buffaloes have special place n our civilisation. Perhaps India is the only country where certain animals including cow are being worshipped and regarded as holy. Hindu religious texts are full of their glory. Just before independence Indian cultivation was heavily depended on cow dung fertilizers. Tilting of land was under taken by buffalo pushing. In short our whole socio - cultural set up was depended upon them.
But with changing times and the industrial revolution and market economy changes in the pattern of cultivation and our attitude towards the animals drastically changed. In the begining it was presumed that the change priorities will help the nation to be more strong economically but with he passage of time it is being analysed that un-checked export of meat and meat based products apart of abandoning cow dung fertilizer have resulted in weakening us economically and on health grounds. Chemical fertilizers are harming not only our health but also minimising the fertility of the land we cultivate.
The biggest challenge to our socio - cultural mind set and requirement have came from meat export in our zeal to earn more and more foreign exchange. No doubt the country needs and badly needs the foreign exchange but at the same time we must be careful for our own needs. The disbalances which we have created are resulting in the downfall of not our health but future of our next generation.
India, a country where eating meat particularly beef is a sensitive religious issue , has become the biggest meat exporter in the world beating the Brazil. Data of ministry of Food Processing shows that India exported 1.89 million tonnes of beef ( larger part in buffalo meat ) in 2012 - 2013 which was 50% increase over last five years.
As far as earnings from meat export are concerned , it touched to 21,000 crore in 2012 - 2013. India has major markets in USA,Europe, Gulf and South Asian countries.
Even the US Department of Agriculture ( USdA ) has acknowledged that the Indian government has played a vital role in enhancing meat and meat products exports. Uttar Pradesh is the biggest producer of export oriented meat while Kerala is the biggest consumer domestically. Cow slaughter is banned all over the country except Kerala, West Bengal and the North Eastern states.
In general meat and particularly beef has become an important foreign exchange earner in India among the agriculture based commodity after Basmati rice with 31% increase in quantity and 52 % rise in value terms during 2013 - 2014.According to figures of Agriculture & Processed Food Products Export Development Authority ( APEDA ) the beef export totaled 1449759 tonnes worth of Rs. 26458 crore lat year. The figure are really surprising for a country where meat particularly beef eating is supposed to be a taboo and has religious implications.
>The zeal on the part of individual meat business men and the government to earn the foreign exchange has resulted in depriving domestic consumers for healthy meat and milk for the next generation on whom our whole survival depends. Apart of that the cow dung fertilizer has become a rare thing and our cultivation and agricultural activites especially vegitable cultivation are highly suffering. The farmers are using chemical fertilizers which is resulting in either over fertilising or less due to illiteracy and on being ignorant scientifically. Milk is the essential commodity for healthy development of our children. But it is in short supply and out of reach of large section of Indian citizenary and the result is that we have an under nourished childhood and are consiquently producing weak and unhealthy citizen. That is not good for the nation as a whole.
>As far as milk is concerned , it is livestock enterprise in which small farmers can successfully engage in order to improve their livlihood. Regular milk supplies allow them to move from subsistence to a market based income.
>Milk production is estimated to have declined marginally to 134.5 million tonnes in the last year though expected to be 140.6 million tonnes in the current year. Total Indian milk consumption is set to match with its production this year while domestic consumption is pegged at 425000 tonnes.
>Cow dung or manure as fertilizer is very good for cultivation. when composed it has nutrient rich elements. It is also used as fuel which is environment friendly. The government should encourage masses to use cow dung as fuel as far as they can because it will save the gas for future and is economicall viable.
>In general meat eating and particularly beef eating is not part of our culture and is treated as taboo. It hurts religious feelings of largest religious group in India. In some cases this beef and meat has become tool of communal disharmony and flare up. Every nation needs peace and social harmony for its development and that is not possible till we balance our needs with the feelings of other social and religious groups.
>Hence meat export should be contained at minimum level. The better will be to completely ban the meat particularly beef export. By that our children will get better quality milk and the farmers will have rich dung fertilizer at no extra cost which will economically boost the farming in the country and will enhance agriculture income.
>Some people and lobbies take shelter under misguided plea that exports are essential for growth of country. That is right but if impartially calculated one will find that the loss from stopping meat export will be less than the increase in the export of milk and milk products. This is a crucial year in which our milk production will be just near to domestic demands.This is the year in which we have to take a positive decision in the interest of future of our children, communal harmony and national income growth and completely ban meat especially beef export.
>If the present central government has political will and courage , it should take the revolutionary decision and jump out of the net spread by some individuals and foreign countries in favour of meat export and ban it. the history will not only record the gains socially as well as economically of Modi government but will also realise dream of largest religious section of Indian masses.
* Jasim Mohammad is Director, Muslim Chamber of Commerce & Industry, Aligarh . He can be reached at jasimoffice@gmail.com
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