Saturday, December 22, 2018

[IAC#RG] SEASON’S GREETINGS TO YOU ALL

While we ready to usher in X'mas 2018, let us keep in our thoughts and prayers our hundreds of tirelessly toiling Home Guards for whom it will be this year be a very Cheerless Christmas as they have not been paid their Honorarium this month.

All this when the Goa Government is pouring crores of rupees down the drain on all that   unprecedented Medical care being accorded to the terminally ill Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar.

It is very appalling and so absolutely distressing to see the manner in which the authorities have been very highhandedly misusing and shabbily ill-treating the Home Guards. They have been reduced to being slaves with absolute disrespect and made to do tasks they are not supposed to.

The Government must get its house in order and ensure that our Human Guards are given the due respect and treated as Human Beings. 


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Re: [IAC#RG] IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?

Currently india is passing through bad phase because everybody is talking about religion but nobody bothers that our economy has gone haywire. Its credit goes to our politician because our constitution empowered them to make law for the welfare of the nation and its people. Due to this our preamble first sentence begins with people "we the people of india" but who cares? I think no one including Modi otherwise they would not have imposed demonetisation and GST. Tell me who has been benefitted with this? if these two have given phenomenal boost to our economy then why they (govt) are seeking reserve fund of RBI? To divert the people attention they have been talking about religion and caste only?

For the sake of political benefit they have been increasing the period of reservation. Do you think its benefit reaching to the genuine people. Although our constitution has allowed with an hope that downtrodden people would come to the mainstream but is it happening? Now bank is charging money from the customer to carrying their cash? Is it right because who fails to maintain minimum balance it is common man or middle class people.

Instead of addressing this we are talking about Lord Hanuman belong to which caste and religion? See how people were reacting till 90s they were giving huge mandate to one party and thereafter they did not give clear cut mandate with an hope of development. In 2014 they gave huge mandate with an hope that politician would bring prosperity but what has happened. It is known to everyone. It seems people are using all kind of permutation and combination for the sake of development only but getting disappointed from all quarter. Now nation is moving towards civil war.

Now question is not that how nation will survive amid global pressure. As we know that we got freedom because Britishers had started crushing our economy. it is known to everyone (peeth pe maar lo par pet pe mat marna) when Britisher did it then our people annihilated them after making thousand of supreme sacrifice. 

Thanks and Regards
Sunil kumar


On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:17 PM Natarajan <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
There are dynastic examples in other parties, but nothing can match the stranglehod of Nehru-Indira dynasty. The ealier rulers of this dynasty had some good qualities too, but Rahul is utterly useless and unstable. Congress minus the Gandhis or their arm-twisting may yet turn out to be better. Please remember Narasimha Rao.
 
With regards 
Prof N.Natarajan


On Thursday, 20 December 2018 8:18 AM, m.g.r. rajan <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


I think Mr. Venkataraman should listen to some recorded speeches of the politicians he has named and see if he is justified by the email he has posted.
Rama Rajan

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Subject: [IAC#RG] IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?
 

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                                                                                                                         IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?
  
The politician Rahul, who was described as buffoon by the Telangana Chief Minister , happened to become the President of the family oriented Congress party by virtue of belonging to the Nehru family ,by way of hereditary succession management.

Obviously, he has been tutored by his paid or motivated friends in India and abroad to describe Prime Minister Modi in all sorts of abusive and indecent language, so that the public image of Modi would suffer heavily before the forthcoming parliamentary election. He has repeatedly called Modi as chor and such language has never been used against any other Prime Minister in the country by any opposition leader. It is Goebbel's tactics. 

In parliament, he spoke highly critically about Modi and then went and hugged him , came back to his seat and winked at his party colleagues, as if he has made great achievement , to the surprise and shock of everyone. This made people wonder whether he is an unstable person and some people even suspecting whether he could be some sort of a play boy.

It is extremely disturbing that an opposition political leader from South India has said that the politician Rahul should be the Prime Ministerial candidate. Fortunately, several opposition political leaders have dismissed such suggestion with contempt.

It is necessary that all discerning citizens of India should putforth utmost efforts, so that an unstable politician like Rahul , who cannot even use decent language in public discourse , should not be successful in his greedy ambition to become the Prime Minister of this great country.

In the next three months before the parliamentary poll, the politician Rahul will bring down the public discourse in India to a new low level and the country men have to put up with this insult, while the sensation seeking media would be highly pleased with the "hilarious reporting opportunity".

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Friday, December 21, 2018

Re: [IAC#RG] In agreement with S. Sen

《"Hindu Code 1955" which Jawaharlal Nehru imposed on the people of India.》

Dear Mr. Roy,

I. That's a fragment from the very opening paragraph of your post to which I responded.
Hope you'd recognise.
Speaks for itself. 
A subsequent invention of "Nehru's Hindu Code of 1955" is just that - an invention.

Il. Despite categorical rebuttal (ref.: <<Even without counting Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains as Hindus, as per the 2011 census, Hindus constitute approximately 80% of Indian population.>>), you've repeated:
<<Today Hindus (as defined in the Hindu Code 1955) only constitute under 30% of the population of India.>>

That's ridiculous.

The Census 2011 posits:
Hindu 79.80 %
Muslim 14.23 %
Sikh 1.72 %
Buddhist 0.70 %
Jain 0.37 %
Other Religion 0.66 %
Not Stated 0.24 %
Total      100%

IV. That Rahul Gandhi did light the funeral pyre of his slain father had already been established.
Consequently, the claim that he is a "practising Catholic" comes out as a mere (malicious?) hoax.

Sukla


On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, 22:39 Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net wrote:
Dear Ms. Sen

Just to update you, IACRG is not one of those cozy litte twitterati echo-chambers which exist in cyber space. We encourage healthy scholarly discussion here and those who are wrong on FACTS (including ourselves) must be exposed.

Accordingly, this is issued as a public service communique to the Hindus of Hindustan to convey to them the truth about certain imposters masquerading as Hindus for cheap electoral gains through deceptions.

1. We never claimed there was a Hindu Code Act. Any schoolboy knows that the Ambedkar version of the Hindu Code Bill 1951 failed to muster support causing Nehru to pass it in pieces between 1955-56.  Those 4 enactments are known today as Nehru's Hindu Code of 1955.

2. It is incorrect (in fact it is a gross mis-statement and insult to them) to say that Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists would be "counted" as Hindus after 1955. If you are capable of reading laws the ways they are meant to be read, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, and FOLLOWERS of the Brahmo Samaj, Arya Samaj and Prathana Samaj were only deemed to be covered/governed by Hindu Law.  BTW: The legal significance of the term "followers of the ..." may have escaped you.

3. Today Hindus (as defined in the Hindu Code 1955) only constitute under 30% of the population of India.

4. Insofar as Mr. Rahul Gandhi is concerned, the factum of his lighting his father's funeral pyre is completely irrelevant to his misrepresentations of himself  as a Hindu Kaul Brahmin of Dattatreya gotra and descendant of Lord Parushrama etc etc.

5. Actually the only thing more ludicrous than Mr. Rahul Gandhi (INC President) saying he is a Hindu and Brahmin is Mr.Amit Shah's (BJP President) denying he is a Jain and claiming instead to be a "Hindu" Vaishnav.  Now, We the Hindustani people of India have had enough of both these jumla artistes and their corrupt parties.  ... a POX on both their houses.



Amit Shah doing Jain worship.


On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:08 PM Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com> wrote:
《By these laws, a Hindu is (negatively) defined to be everybody who is
not a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jain or a Buddhist
or a Parsi or a Scheduled Tribal or an Arya Samaji or a Prarthana
Samaji or a Brahmo Samaji or a Lingayat etc.and so on.》

Not really. 

l. First of all, there's no Hindu Code Act.
The Code Bill moved by the then Union Law Minister, Dr. Ambedkar - not by Nehru , got defeated on the floor of the Indian parliament. 
Dr. Ambedkar would resign.

ll. Subsequently, Hindu family/personal laws would be amended in bits and pieces. 
Some specifically pertaining to the "Hindus".
Some, to all Indians.

lll. For these purpose, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains etc. would be counted as Hindus. 
Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Jews were not.
Brahmos, Arya Samajis and Lingayats were/are very much considered as Hindus, for all purposes.
That's precisely why there's now a demand from a section of the Lingayats for a separate identity. 
The demand remains to be met.

lV. Even without counting Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains as Hindus, as per the 2011 census, Hindus constitute approximately 80% of Indian population. 

Sukla 

P.S.: The above has, evidently, nothing to do with whether Rahul Gandhi had lit his slain father's funeral pyre or not.
That stands already settled. 


On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, 20:35 Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net wrote:
This is not about US divorce laws or EU marriage laws, rather it is
about the absurd system of laws known as "Hindu Code 1955" which
Jawaharlal Nehru imposed on the people of India.

By these laws, a Hindu is (negatively) defined to be everybody who is
not a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jain or a Buddhist
or a Parsi or a Scheduled Tribal or an Arya Samaji or a Prarthana
Samaji or a Brahmo Samaji or a Lingayat etc.and so on.

In other words by the present Hindu code less than 30% of India is
Hindu and these consist of the Scheduled Castes and the OBC castes who
get 50+% . reservations.

So it is quite understandable why parasite compradors like Shri Arun
Kumar, Shri Rahul Gandhi, Shri Narendra Modi, Shri Mohan Bhagwat and
the entire RSS etc  insist that they are Hindus and the rest of us
(presumably) are not.

You are quite correct that codifying marriage and divorce laws was for
inheritance and to provide compensation to divorcees, Under the
prevalent codified law, the day Indira Nehru married Feroze Gandhi she
ceased to be a Hindu and he ceased to be a Parsi. Thereafter when
Rajiv Gandhi married Sonia Gandhi under the Indian laws, both they and
their children ceased to have any religion in the eyes of the State.
Therefore it is quite inexplicable that Mr. Rahul Gandhi insists in
public that he is a Hindu of Brahmin caste and claims his gotra from
an alleged distant ancestor Kamala Kaul. His ignorance of True
Hinduism is further exposed when he goes as an idolator to pray in a
fake temple of Brahma which has as its idol a four headed image of a
deity.

Insofar as who is a Hindu, I can suggest either the Tilak test or the
following definition by Raj Narain Bose (the Grandgather of Indian
Nationalism)

"Hinduism defined as worship of Brahma, or the Supreme Being, whose
knowledge and worship all the Hindu Shastras agree in asserting to be
the sole cause of salvation, and other forms of Hindu worship and the
observance of rites and ceremonies as preliminary means for ascending
to that knowledge and worship."

S Roy

On 12/20/18, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> I appreciate the perspective offered in Shukla Sen's contribution to this
> issue. It is really absurd to flog this worn horse further.  It's a non-
> starter.  Marriage, according to several judgements in divorce cases in US
> and Europe laws, does not merely concern two individuals or even two
> families but the groom,  the bride,  and their society,  their shared or
> several community/communities. Forms of cohabitation without religious or
> legal acceptance are now recognised in common law,  including in India.
>
> The purpose of codifying marriage and divorce rites in modern - Imperial
> British - Indian law was mainly to protect the estates and inheritance of
> the three parties involved and to determine the rights of the parties - of
> maintenance or compensation due to divorced spouses of the various
> communities.
>
> Therefore,  whatever be the rites followed in the above sets of marriage
> and  death, and their reversal or appropriation by the several communities
> involved it will be impossible to untangle at this point of time the will
> and purpose of the actions of the three concerned parties.
>
> I want to share what a senior  confidante and palace official of late King
> Birendra of Nepal,  Shri Renu Singh told me in 1980 : King Mahendra
> complained to  Nehru about his son wishing to marry out of caste and
> community,  to have in effect,  a 'love marriage'. Nehru said he had had
> the same problem with his only child Indira. He advised Mahendra, who is
> seen as a representative of Vishnu by 'Hindus',  to give up his clinging to
> past convention,  to caste,  tribe and  custom and let the children do as
> they wish. "Parents," Nehru allegedly said,  "can do nothing about this in
> these new times". (I may add that the woman Birendra wanted to marry
> actually refused his offer and went on to marry someone else,  also out of
> caste.)
>
> So,  "the times,  they are changing," and S. Roy ought to give up his
> fascination for true or accurate descriptions of people's religion,  castes
> and  such affiliations,  particularly those of public persons. We are no
> longer in the age of Tulsidas's Ramayana when Ram had to abandon his
> lawfully married Mallika in the forest due to mere suspicion that she was
> sullied by captivity in the kingdom of Lanka.
>
> Joya Roy

Re: [IAC#RG] IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?

There are dynastic examples in other parties, but nothing can match the stranglehod of Nehru-Indira dynasty. The ealier rulers of this dynasty had some good qualities too, but Rahul is utterly useless and unstable. Congress minus the Gandhis or their arm-twisting may yet turn out to be better. Please remember Narasimha Rao.
 
With regards 
Prof N.Natarajan


On Thursday, 20 December 2018 8:18 AM, m.g.r. rajan <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


I think Mr. Venkataraman should listen to some recorded speeches of the politicians he has named and see if he is justified by the email he has posted.
Rama Rajan

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To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?
 

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                                                                                                                         IS THE POLITICIAN RAHUL AN UNSTABLE PERSON ?
  
The politician Rahul, who was described as buffoon by the Telangana Chief Minister , happened to become the President of the family oriented Congress party by virtue of belonging to the Nehru family ,by way of hereditary succession management.

Obviously, he has been tutored by his paid or motivated friends in India and abroad to describe Prime Minister Modi in all sorts of abusive and indecent language, so that the public image of Modi would suffer heavily before the forthcoming parliamentary election. He has repeatedly called Modi as chor and such language has never been used against any other Prime Minister in the country by any opposition leader. It is Goebbel's tactics. 

In parliament, he spoke highly critically about Modi and then went and hugged him , came back to his seat and winked at his party colleagues, as if he has made great achievement , to the surprise and shock of everyone. This made people wonder whether he is an unstable person and some people even suspecting whether he could be some sort of a play boy.

It is extremely disturbing that an opposition political leader from South India has said that the politician Rahul should be the Prime Ministerial candidate. Fortunately, several opposition political leaders have dismissed such suggestion with contempt.

It is necessary that all discerning citizens of India should putforth utmost efforts, so that an unstable politician like Rahul , who cannot even use decent language in public discourse , should not be successful in his greedy ambition to become the Prime Minister of this great country.

In the next three months before the parliamentary poll, the politician Rahul will bring down the public discourse in India to a new low level and the country men have to put up with this insult, while the sensation seeking media would be highly pleased with the "hilarious reporting opportunity".

N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
nandinivoice.com


[IAC#RG] GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO UPLIFT AND NOT ABANDON THE WELFARE OF THE CISF

The Central Government is duty bound to ensure on a priority the utmost well being of the officers and constables of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF). 

 

It is so horrifying to see the pathetic working and living conditions of these personnel who are shunted around the country wherever their services are requisitioned.

 

It is so painful that due to the work related stress, the suicide rate amongst the CISF is very high.  This force which works so dedicatedly and very professionally, at times even putting their lives at risk must be well taken care of.

 

Prime Minister Narendra Modi must ensure that the salaries, perks and benefits of the CISF and the welfare of their families is enhanced to commensurate with the extremely hard work they put in their line of duty.  

 

The government must Walk the Talk and 'Sab ka Saath Sab Ka Vikas' cannot be its hollow slogan. If the Government does not come to the rescue of the toiling CISF, this would be a fit case for the National Human Rights Commission to intervene.

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/story/cisf-clueless-about-solving-stress-ridden-personnel-committing-suicide-1185895-2018-03-10


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Re: [IAC#RG] In agreement with S. Sen

Dear Ms. Sen

Just to update you, IACRG is not one of those cozy litte twitterati echo-chambers which exist in cyber space. We encourage healthy scholarly discussion here and those who are wrong on FACTS (including ourselves) must be exposed.

Accordingly, this is issued as a public service communique to the Hindus of Hindustan to convey to them the truth about certain imposters masquerading as Hindus for cheap electoral gains through deceptions.

1. We never claimed there was a Hindu Code Act. Any schoolboy knows that the Ambedkar version of the Hindu Code Bill 1951 failed to muster support causing Nehru to pass it in pieces between 1955-56.  Those 4 enactments are known today as Nehru's Hindu Code of 1955.

2. It is incorrect (in fact it is a gross mis-statement and insult to them) to say that Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists would be "counted" as Hindus after 1955. If you are capable of reading laws the ways they are meant to be read, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, and FOLLOWERS of the Brahmo Samaj, Arya Samaj and Prathana Samaj were only deemed to be covered/governed by Hindu Law.  BTW: The legal significance of the term "followers of the ..." may have escaped you.

3. Today Hindus (as defined in the Hindu Code 1955) only constitute under 30% of the population of India.

4. Insofar as Mr. Rahul Gandhi is concerned, the factum of his lighting his father's funeral pyre is completely irrelevant to his misrepresentations of himself  as a Hindu Kaul Brahmin of Dattatreya gotra and descendant of Lord Parushrama etc etc.

5. Actually the only thing more ludicrous than Mr. Rahul Gandhi (INC President) saying he is a Hindu and Brahmin is Mr.Amit Shah's (BJP President) denying he is a Jain and claiming instead to be a "Hindu" Vaishnav.  Now, We the Hindustani people of India have had enough of both these jumla artistes and their corrupt parties.  ... a POX on both their houses.



Amit Shah doing Jain worship.


On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:08 PM Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com> wrote:
《By these laws, a Hindu is (negatively) defined to be everybody who is
not a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jain or a Buddhist
or a Parsi or a Scheduled Tribal or an Arya Samaji or a Prarthana
Samaji or a Brahmo Samaji or a Lingayat etc.and so on.》

Not really. 

l. First of all, there's no Hindu Code Act.
The Code Bill moved by the then Union Law Minister, Dr. Ambedkar - not by Nehru , got defeated on the floor of the Indian parliament. 
Dr. Ambedkar would resign.

ll. Subsequently, Hindu family/personal laws would be amended in bits and pieces. 
Some specifically pertaining to the "Hindus".
Some, to all Indians.

lll. For these purpose, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains etc. would be counted as Hindus. 
Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Jews were not.
Brahmos, Arya Samajis and Lingayats were/are very much considered as Hindus, for all purposes.
That's precisely why there's now a demand from a section of the Lingayats for a separate identity. 
The demand remains to be met.

lV. Even without counting Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains as Hindus, as per the 2011 census, Hindus constitute approximately 80% of Indian population. 

Sukla 

P.S.: The above has, evidently, nothing to do with whether Rahul Gandhi had lit his slain father's funeral pyre or not.
That stands already settled. 


On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, 20:35 Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net wrote:
This is not about US divorce laws or EU marriage laws, rather it is
about the absurd system of laws known as "Hindu Code 1955" which
Jawaharlal Nehru imposed on the people of India.

By these laws, a Hindu is (negatively) defined to be everybody who is
not a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jain or a Buddhist
or a Parsi or a Scheduled Tribal or an Arya Samaji or a Prarthana
Samaji or a Brahmo Samaji or a Lingayat etc.and so on.

In other words by the present Hindu code less than 30% of India is
Hindu and these consist of the Scheduled Castes and the OBC castes who
get 50+% . reservations.

So it is quite understandable why parasite compradors like Shri Arun
Kumar, Shri Rahul Gandhi, Shri Narendra Modi, Shri Mohan Bhagwat and
the entire RSS etc  insist that they are Hindus and the rest of us
(presumably) are not.

You are quite correct that codifying marriage and divorce laws was for
inheritance and to provide compensation to divorcees, Under the
prevalent codified law, the day Indira Nehru married Feroze Gandhi she
ceased to be a Hindu and he ceased to be a Parsi. Thereafter when
Rajiv Gandhi married Sonia Gandhi under the Indian laws, both they and
their children ceased to have any religion in the eyes of the State.
Therefore it is quite inexplicable that Mr. Rahul Gandhi insists in
public that he is a Hindu of Brahmin caste and claims his gotra from
an alleged distant ancestor Kamala Kaul. His ignorance of True
Hinduism is further exposed when he goes as an idolator to pray in a
fake temple of Brahma which has as its idol a four headed image of a
deity.

Insofar as who is a Hindu, I can suggest either the Tilak test or the
following definition by Raj Narain Bose (the Grandgather of Indian
Nationalism)

"Hinduism defined as worship of Brahma, or the Supreme Being, whose
knowledge and worship all the Hindu Shastras agree in asserting to be
the sole cause of salvation, and other forms of Hindu worship and the
observance of rites and ceremonies as preliminary means for ascending
to that knowledge and worship."

S Roy

On 12/20/18, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> I appreciate the perspective offered in Shukla Sen's contribution to this
> issue. It is really absurd to flog this worn horse further.  It's a non-
> starter.  Marriage, according to several judgements in divorce cases in US
> and Europe laws, does not merely concern two individuals or even two
> families but the groom,  the bride,  and their society,  their shared or
> several community/communities. Forms of cohabitation without religious or
> legal acceptance are now recognised in common law,  including in India.
>
> The purpose of codifying marriage and divorce rites in modern - Imperial
> British - Indian law was mainly to protect the estates and inheritance of
> the three parties involved and to determine the rights of the parties - of
> maintenance or compensation due to divorced spouses of the various
> communities.
>
> Therefore,  whatever be the rites followed in the above sets of marriage
> and  death, and their reversal or appropriation by the several communities
> involved it will be impossible to untangle at this point of time the will
> and purpose of the actions of the three concerned parties.
>
> I want to share what a senior  confidante and palace official of late King
> Birendra of Nepal,  Shri Renu Singh told me in 1980 : King Mahendra
> complained to  Nehru about his son wishing to marry out of caste and
> community,  to have in effect,  a 'love marriage'. Nehru said he had had
> the same problem with his only child Indira. He advised Mahendra, who is
> seen as a representative of Vishnu by 'Hindus',  to give up his clinging to
> past convention,  to caste,  tribe and  custom and let the children do as
> they wish. "Parents," Nehru allegedly said,  "can do nothing about this in
> these new times". (I may add that the woman Birendra wanted to marry
> actually refused his offer and went on to marry someone else,  also out of
> caste.)
>
> So,  "the times,  they are changing," and S. Roy ought to give up his
> fascination for true or accurate descriptions of people's religion,  castes
> and  such affiliations,  particularly those of public persons. We are no
> longer in the age of Tulsidas's Ramayana when Ram had to abandon his
> lawfully married Mallika in the forest due to mere suspicion that she was
> sullied by captivity in the kingdom of Lanka.
>
> Joya Roy
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Re: [IAC#RG] A BJP MUKT BHARAT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD

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WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.inI am also a senior citizen. So Modi's story there was no development in 70 years doesn't work with me. Last 54 months has not seen the development that should have happened. Since you mentioned Modi's election, I am compelled to place on record his election into an M.P.
The most popular, successful,   MLA from Mani Nagar in Ahmedabad who made Gujarat the No.1. state in the world, wants to try his hand in parliament. Where does he contest? At Gandhi Nagar, Vadodara! Which was his alternate constituency? VARANASI in Uttar Pradesh! Speaks volumes on his track record as CM.! I was in Ahmedabad in 1984 & 2002 and witnessed first hand how both the governments handled the riots. 
The difference between Valmiki and Modi is that Valmiki reformed and Modi refuses to reform. He does stupid things and trusts his RSS trained pracharaks to smoke screen the damages. He ridicules Nobel laurates on demonitisation just because they did not fall in line.He is destroying all institutions to serve his personal glory. An unstarted university is granted a tag of excellence; an unstarted company gets Rs.45,000 crores of defence order; a mine which could not be operated is bought for Rs.20,000 crores; a defaulter deserter of Rs.1,200 crotes is granted visa and passport renewal. Where do you pace all these? Why is he refusing to meet the press all these days?
Corruption is in the DNA of any Indian. BJP has formed minority governments in so many states. Is it because the MLAs are attracted to BJPs idealogies? Thousands of crores of rupees seized, even from a chief secretary. What was the action? Modi's corruption will come out only after the government changes. You a senior citizen. You should know better. 
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I thank Indira Gandhi for setting up the first ministry for environment and forests,  but it has not proved capable of ever protecting either of those under the onslaught of local capital,  FDIs,  World Bank-IMF policies - Do you good patriots not know that most of our revenues go to service the loans from multilateral FDs including the ADB and the JBID? The remainder goes to feed and fund the sarkar -  IAS, IFS,  politicos and naukarshahi down to village level. So there's little money left over for true development of the people of India,  for education,  health,  children's nutrition, the care of the aged, social security,  rural water supply,  environmental protection and rehabilitation,  or a fair deal for the millions displaced by the mines and infrastructure required by the elite and industrialists. We are in deep,  deep,  financial trouble and the sooner we recognise it the better - we shall stop crowing at our successes in launching 100s of satellites together,  testing nuclear bombs, bringing in digital finance where people have no money to start with.  Corruption is now at the highest level it has ever been in Indian history -  the Mughals and Maharajas lived well but they didn't have to win votes by duping the public with false promises and freebies.

As for the present incumbents, please see the criminal antecedents of most of the persons in power today and tell us why this government should be supported further.

Joya Roy

Re: [IAC#RG] A BJP MUKT BHARAT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD

I too was born before Independence  and have watched a few PM's at close quarters. We had little respect for Nehru,  a novice in state and world affairs, arrogant though visionary.  India 'developed' under his tutelage but not in the way Gandhi had envisaged,  from below.  Shastri,  sadly was eliminated. Indira,  surrounded by a coterie of close followers and  dubious assistants whose advice led her down wrong paths often enough which precipitated the draconian Emergency.  I do however personally thank her for liberating the home of my forefathers,  East Bengal,  stopping the destruction of Silent Valley and settAnother PM whose electoral base was the coal mafia of Bihar started the process of involving bureaucrats,  police and political workers in undertaking and hiding what we call corruption now,  then seen as the spoils of power.


On 20 Dec 2018 10:42 p.m., "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Modi is a legitimately elected MP made PM by due process for 5 years and it is for the people at large to support him where ever possible, while the opposition doing their home work to replace him by that due process at appropriate times! I found that if this government do anything, even from the first day of coming to power, people opposed it and branded it saying that what is done is to capture the vote bank! Yes of course! They will do all that legitimate thing possible to retain power and they should do like any other! They should do what all are possible for the welfare of the country and people till the last day in power notwithstanding what the opposition would say!

I am a senior citizen born before independence and have had the privilege of experiencing all PMs. and their ministries! Earlier things were happening but now one can see things, immense at that, being done for the long time benefits! 

Politicians and bureaucrats do not find their profession lucrative as the anti corruption measures appear to stop their yearning for that as a imagined lavish life style looks to be at stake- means for illegal earnings are uncertain!

Assuming without admitting that Modi has had criminal records (though he is exonerated from all)  we should introspect looking at Saint Valmiki, who is being worshiped today, was a robber and murderer but still found a place of pride in our scriptures!

My humble estimate is that there is no leader in the political doldrums as versatile as Modi and we should all tire him by giving more and more work for the good of the country and its people!
On Thursday, 20 December, 2018, 8:22:12 AM IST, Vidyut <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


We have taken freedom for granted. We've been bought off by the "convenience" of living. Except, living is convenient only for a few people. I don't think India was secular ever. We've had our terrible differences. Religious differences, caste differences, sect differences, regional differences..... We've grown up seeing valid comedy as making fun of someone with a strong regional accent in cinema. Strong regional accents are actually stereotyped as orthodox or stupid.

But at least, we were in the process of moving in the right direction. When confronted with inequalities and injustices that exist, progress may have been slow, but as a country, overall, we did not brazen them out as the correct scheme of things.

Today, the complacency and sense of entitlement among privileged citizens is at an all time high. At the same time, the number of those who can thrive with such privilege is narrowly shrinking. Thoughtless superiority is being seen as righteousness, which paves the path for manipulators to feed narratives of hate to large groups of people that lets them feel superior and powerful over smaller groups or less powerful people. Of course, this is an emotional high with absolutely no tangible or material benefit to anyone. The manipulators lose nothing, share not an ounce of their well being or prosperity with those whose anger they harvest for profit.

This keeps the country occupied with a relentless cycle of hatred, responding to that hatred. When false perceptions are created with mass media, it is an uphill struggle to bring truth to light and by the time exhausted people have established the falsity, it is simple to toss a new provocation to occupy people with anger and keep them busy focusing on those who have absolutely no power to harm or help them, while those actually harming, who should have been helping, continue the exploitation of the country behind this smokescreen.

I don't see BJP as a political party at all. It is a criminal cartel. At the same time, there are no honorable alternatives either. At best, the current political situation is one of fighting to allow democratic choice once more, rather than people having power to choose between two viable options. At this point, the erosion of freedom itself is so severe, that possibly the only reason BJP could lose is because they NEED to get out of power in order to stop things from getting too obvious - and of course, because the opportunities for loot are shrinking along with the economy.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. I would love to hate the supporters of the Modi cartel as an easy target, but frankly, it wouldn't be a lot different from what they are up to, hating non-BJP people for some or the other reason. Fact of it is that they are as much the victims as those they target. They don't have a separate prosperous country to live in once the cartel is done stripping this one. Mass media and brainwashing, particularly the kind of organized and targeted brainwashing going on is very hard to combat, and the fact of it is that the average citizen lacks the IQ to see through the extremely complicated fog of propaganda.

Minorities are the canaries in the mine. The vulnerable will suffer before those less vulnerable, but a toxic situation will eventually destroy all.

Vidyut
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:40 AM Aires Rodrigues <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is a good talker and a master in rhetoric theatrical blabbering. But the nation has now realized this and will not be fooled anymore.

 

Narendra Modi has been merrily jetting across the globe while our country has ebbed to dire straits. And more importantly while eroding the autonomy of even the Reserve Bank, Election Commission and the CBI, Narendra Modi and the BJP have ruptured the secular fabric of our great nation. Even the Independence of the Judiciary has been trampled upon.

 

Our India must wholeheartedly and selflessly unite against the deviously Communal, Corrupt and very Divisive BJP. Time to politically trash the BJP to restore our country's Secular fabric that the founding Fathers of the Constitution had so selflessly and dedicatedly toiled for.

 


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Re: [IAC#RG] A BJP MUKT BHARAT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD

Advocate Aires' analysis summarises the state of affairs in the country and the lack of options for right minded citizens,  excluding the elite Hindu Right, its lumpen Baanar Senas,  and its secret,  paid assassins, to exercise their choices for a truly democratic,  equalitarian, secular, egalitarian,  and just socio-political order.

As far as the looting of the country goes, the attack on the RBI's not so huge after all, reserve funds will be the last straw,  should the country experience the effects of global economic meltdown,  war,  EMPs,  or natural disasters.  All the fake money printed in France and Bangladesh and sought to be infused into the system through the craftily conceived Jan Dhan scheme and the willing help of known criminals and high level government officials and party leaders will not be able to put the economy and employment together again.

This emperor has no clothes on!

Joya Roy


On 20 Dec 2018 8:22 a.m., "Vidyut" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
We have taken freedom for granted. We've been bought off by the "convenience" of living. Except, living is convenient only for a few people. I don't think India was secular ever. We've had our terrible differences. Religious differences, caste differences, sect differences, regional differences..... We've grown up seeing valid comedy as making fun of someone with a strong regional accent in cinema. Strong regional accents are actually stereotyped as orthodox or stupid.

But at least, we were in the process of moving in the right direction. When confronted with inequalities and injustices that exist, progress may have been slow, but as a country, overall, we did not brazen them out as the correct scheme of things.

Today, the complacency and sense of entitlement among privileged citizens is at an all time high. At the same time, the number of those who can thrive with such privilege is narrowly shrinking. Thoughtless superiority is being seen as righteousness, which paves the path for manipulators to feed narratives of hate to large groups of people that lets them feel superior and powerful over smaller groups or less powerful people. Of course, this is an emotional high with absolutely no tangible or material benefit to anyone. The manipulators lose nothing, share not an ounce of their well being or prosperity with those whose anger they harvest for profit.

This keeps the country occupied with a relentless cycle of hatred, responding to that hatred. When false perceptions are created with mass media, it is an uphill struggle to bring truth to light and by the time exhausted people have established the falsity, it is simple to toss a new provocation to occupy people with anger and keep them busy focusing on those who have absolutely no power to harm or help them, while those actually harming, who should have been helping, continue the exploitation of the country behind this smokescreen.

I don't see BJP as a political party at all. It is a criminal cartel. At the same time, there are no honorable alternatives either. At best, the current political situation is one of fighting to allow democratic choice once more, rather than people having power to choose between two viable options. At this point, the erosion of freedom itself is so severe, that possibly the only reason BJP could lose is because they NEED to get out of power in order to stop things from getting too obvious - and of course, because the opportunities for loot are shrinking along with the economy.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. I would love to hate the supporters of the Modi cartel as an easy target, but frankly, it wouldn't be a lot different from what they are up to, hating non-BJP people for some or the other reason. Fact of it is that they are as much the victims as those they target. They don't have a separate prosperous country to live in once the cartel is done stripping this one. Mass media and brainwashing, particularly the kind of organized and targeted brainwashing going on is very hard to combat, and the fact of it is that the average citizen lacks the IQ to see through the extremely complicated fog of propaganda.

Minorities are the canaries in the mine. The vulnerable will suffer before those less vulnerable, but a toxic situation will eventually destroy all.

Vidyut
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:40 AM Aires Rodrigues <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is a good talker and a master in rhetoric theatrical blabbering. But the nation has now realized this and will not be fooled anymore.

 

Narendra Modi has been merrily jetting across the globe while our country has ebbed to dire straits. And more importantly while eroding the autonomy of even the Reserve Bank, Election Commission and the CBI, Narendra Modi and the BJP have ruptured the secular fabric of our great nation. Even the Independence of the Judiciary has been trampled upon.

 

Our India must wholeheartedly and selflessly unite against the deviously Communal, Corrupt and very Divisive BJP. Time to politically trash the BJP to restore our country's Secular fabric that the founding Fathers of the Constitution had so selflessly and dedicatedly toiled for.

 


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