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RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

Hi, AAP,
 
I want to attend the funeral procession of AAP. Let me know where, when, how?
 
Regards,
 
K.V.Srinivasan,
# 282, Jurgens Drive,
Milpitas, CA, 95035, USA
 

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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

dear sir,
now it is clear mandate, and aap is no where out of total change and fought around 400 seats, through out india and has lost their jamanat,
wake up,
rss was formed in 1925, and it took   90 years to see a organised platform,
the parties which have rose as toofan, swantanta party, janta party, lok dal, are no where now, and now aap shall vanish in wind for ever


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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

Dear Shri Agrawal,
 
Your farsightedness is appreciable. I fully agree with you. We
(AAP) have already brought BADLAV in this corruption ridden
system.
Jai Hind
 
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BJP has overwhelming support from upper cast hindus/ traders/ sangh pariwar, Cong from Muslims and lower middle class, SP from yadavas, BSP from dalits/ lower cast etc. Kejriwal has no such solid votebank behind him. If he has managed to transcend all cast, religion and communities and gether support for his ideology and mission accorss the board, it is a remarkable achievement.
Change has already begun. Believe me, even if AAP does not form a Govt in Delhi, it will play a role of constructive opposition and shall serve the Delhi better than any other ruling party.

And don't go by the Exit polls. They have miserably failed in 2004 & 2009 elections. AAP will win atleast 15 seats including Varansi seats.
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Re: [IAC#RG] [New post] AMBEDKAR NEVER PARTICIPATED IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE FOR COUNTRY

The fight for independence, if we look a bit deeply, was an effort by non working urban middle class to wrest he powers from British and , to perpetuate or rather, accentuate the exploitation of the working classes of this country.

Not just Ambedkar, but one would find many other examples of great persons, who worked for people, but never targeted the British rule much. To me, Sir Chotturam is one such example.

He emancipated millions of peasants from the clutches of money lenders in the United Punjab. To me or, the people of this region, spread across Haryana, Punjab, Delhi and Pakistan Punjab, he is much more revered than the freedom fighters. Only few like Bhagat Singh, Subhash Bose and other martys draw same respect as Chottu ram. 

Chottu ram understood what the Congress movement was about and left it in 1921 after 5 years of joining it. Reasons: 1. Congress was not making emancipation of farmers as a core issue 2. country's revenue comes from villages and get invested in cities. Congress was not ready to challenge it. 3. Congress not ready to accept farmers as active participants in national movement.

Today, the person, who actually brought freedom to millions of farmers, is obliterated from the history books. 
As far as I understand, Congress was about Hindu urban middle class, who wanted to replace the British as new rulers and continue to loot the masses of this country.

Ambedkar had a greater enemy than the British to fight. So, you can not fault him.



On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:

Admire Ambedkar for his contribution ion

Let he,who has never sinned,cast the first stone....bible
Do not focus on warts and pimples alone,IF you want to make friends ...or heroes.
J.K.Chaudhry
Sent from my iPad

On May 7, 2014, at 10:25 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

What's the purpose of this write up?Nobody can discount the personality of BabaSaheb.( I a pedigreed member of Brahmin Caste
am in total awe of the great person who overcame great challenges and consider him an AVATAR / Siddhapurush in the mold of rishis and gnanis). His shortcomings are minuscule as compared to Gandhi/ Nehrus/ Jinnah.
A rough estimate puts Lower Castes( Sudras) , Dalits and Adivasis constitute a whopping 70% of BharatVasis.
So is' nt it a travesty  of natural justice to perpetuate backwardness of majority. Meritocracy is good but welfare of majority is the crying need .
Please spare me and like minded people of this vitriol.
Veteran TTKishore

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hindu speaks posted: "'There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country' The recent furore following the desecration of Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar's statue in Bombay has lar"
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'There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country'

Arun Shourie's book 'Woshipping False Gods' The recent furore following the desecration of Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar's statue in Bombay has largely been interpreted as the resurgence of the dalit movement in India. A phenomenon which first saw its genesis in the philosophy and personality of Dr B R Ambedkar 50 years ago.

In his latest book, Worshipping False Gods, Arun Shourie challenges Dr Ambedkar's contribution to Indian Independence. The book has already run into controversy and several dalit organisations in Maharashtra want it banned.

Ambedkar's public life begins in a sense from a public meeting held at the Damodar Hall in Bombay on March 9, 1924. The struggle for freeing the country from the British was by then in full swing. Swami Vivekananda's work, Sri Aurobindo's work, the Lokmanya's work had already stirred the country. Lokmanya Tilak had passed away in 1920. The leadership of the National Movement had fallen on Gandhiji. He had already led the country in the Champaran satyagraha, the Khilafat movement, in the satyagraha against the Rowlatt Act, against the killings in Jallianwala Bagh and the merciless repression in Punjab. This National Movement culminated in the country's Independence in 1947.

In a word, a quarter century of Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to free the country. Quite the contrary--at every possible turn he opposed the campaigns of the National Movement, at every setback to the Movement he was among those cheering the failure.

Thus, while the years culminated in the country's Independence, in Ambedkar's case they culminated in his becoming a member of the Viceroy's Council, that is -- to use the current terms -- a Minister in the British Cabinet in India.

The writings of Ambedkar following the same pattern. The Maharashtra government has by now published 14 volumes of the speeches and writings of Ambedkar. These cover 9,996 pages. Volumes up to the 12th contain his speeches and writing up to 1946. These extend to 7,371 pages. You would be hard put to find one article, one speech, one passage in which Ambedkar can be seen even by inference to be arguing for India's Independence. Quite the contrary.

Pause for a minute and read the following:

All me to say that the British have a moral responsibility towards the scheduled castes. They may have moral responsibilities towards all minorities. But it can never transcend the moral responsibility which rests on them in respect of the untouchables. It is a pity how few Britishers are aware of it and how fewer are prepared to discharge it. British rule in India owes its very existence to the help rendered by the untouchables. Many Britishers think that India was conquered by the Clives, Hastings, Coots and so on. Nothing can be a greater mistake. India was conquered by an army of Indians and the Indians who formed the army were all untouchables. British rule in India would have been impossible if the untouchables had not helped the British to conquer India. Take the Battle of Plassey which laid the beginning of British rule or the battle of Kirkee which completed the conquest of India. In both these fateful battles the soldiers who fought for the British were all untouchables...

Who is pleading thus to whom? It is B R Ambedkar writing on 14 May 1946 to a member of the (British) Cabinet Mission, A V Alexander.

Nor was this a one-of slip, an arrangement crafted just for the occasion. Indeed, so long as the British were ruling over India, far from trying to hide such views, Ambedkar would lose no opportunity to advertise them, and to advertise what he had been doing to ensure that they came to prevail in practice. Among the faithful his book What Congress and Gandhi Have Done to the Untouchables is among the most admired and emulated of his writings. It was published in 1945, that is just two years or so before India became Independent.

As we shall see when we turn to Ambedkar's views on how harijans may be raised, it is an out and out regurgitation of the things that the British rulers and the missionaries wanted to be said, of the allegations and worse that they had been hurling at our civilisation and people. The book has been published officially by the education department of the government of Maharashtra, and is sold at a subsidised price! It constitutes Volume IX of the set Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, Writings and Speeches. It reproduces the speech Ambedkar made at the Round Table Conference -- a speech which served the designs of the British rulers to the dot, and for which, as we shall soon see, they were ever so grateful to Ambedkar for it became one of the principal devices for thwarting Gandhiji.

In the speech Ambedkar addresses the prime minister and says, "Prime minister, permit me to make one thing clear. The depressed classes are not anxious, they are not clamorous, they have not started any movement for claiming that there shall be an immediate transfer of power from the British to the Indian people.... Their position, to put it plainly, is that we are not anxious for transfer of power from the British to the Indian people.... Their position, to put it plainly, is that we are not anxious for transfer of political power...." But if the British were no longer strong enough to resist the forces which were clamouring for such transfer, Ambedkar declared, then his demand was that they make certain arrangements-- arrangements which we shall encounter repeatedly in his speeches and writings, the essential point about which was to tie down the new government of Independent India.

Excerpted from Worshipping False Gods by Arun Shourie source:http://www.rediff.com/freedom/29ambed.htm

 

 

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RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

What badlav they have brought.... how much money they spent on the recently
concluded elections? And what was the decent amount one party should spent?  what
was the source of that presumably more than 15,000 crores that were spent on elections by the BJP?.
and you indulge in the propaganda of badlav... You call this badlav...ask these people to tell where did
they get so much money to spend on media and rallies and for workers daily allowances...



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Dear Shri Agrawal,
 
Your farsightedness is appreciable. I fully agree with you. We
(AAP) have already brought BADLAV in this corruption ridden
system.
Jai Hind
 
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BJP has overwhelming support from upper cast hindus/ traders/ sangh pariwar, Cong from Muslims and lower middle class, SP from yadavas, BSP from dalits/ lower cast etc. Kejriwal has no such solid votebank behind him. If he has managed to transcend all cast, religion and communities and gether support for his ideology and mission accorss the board, it is a remarkable achievement.
Change has already begun. Believe me, even if AAP does not form a Govt in Delhi, it will play a role of constructive opposition and shall serve the Delhi better than any other ruling party.

And don't go by the Exit polls. They have miserably failed in 2004 & 2009 elections. AAP will win atleast 15 seats including Varansi seats.
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RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

Don't pursue the vicious agenda .... help AAP to grow



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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

dear sir,
now it is clear mandate, and aap is no where out of total change and fought around 400 seats, through out india and has lost their jamanat,
wake up,
rss was formed in 1925, and it took   90 years to see a organised platform,
the parties which have rose as toofan, swantanta party, janta party, lok dal, are no where now, and now aap shall vanish in wind for ever


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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

Dear Shri Agrawal,
 
Your farsightedness is appreciable. I fully agree with you. We
(AAP) have already brought BADLAV in this corruption ridden
system.
Jai Hind
 
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Sunil Dutt Agrawal
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BJP has overwhelming support from upper cast hindus/ traders/ sangh pariwar, Cong from Muslims and lower middle class, SP from yadavas, BSP from dalits/ lower cast etc. Kejriwal has no such solid votebank behind him. If he has managed to transcend all cast, religion and communities and gether support for his ideology and mission accorss the board, it is a remarkable achievement.
Change has already begun. Believe me, even if AAP does not form a Govt in Delhi, it will play a role of constructive opposition and shall serve the Delhi better than any other ruling party.

And don't go by the Exit polls. They have miserably failed in 2004 & 2009 elections. AAP will win atleast 15 seats including Varansi seats.
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Friday, May 16, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

IF i may say a word or two, politely and with a sense of responsibility & at 79+, that while i voted for Yogendra Yadav ji here in Gurgaon, IT WAS BEING OVER AMBITIOUS THAT AAP TOOK ON A SUB-CONTINENT -- FAR, FAR TOO SOON.
And i conveyed the same to him at one of the public Meetings, that "MICRO to MACRO is a universal process to development" ( never the other way round) and he politely & openly agreed that i may be right, but since the plunge had been made, AAP has to do its bit. That BIT has been done with, and the "Party tends to recognise that some of the "faulty or wrong" ones they too have in their fold" and have to do the culling" in the coming days, or words to that effect, in YY's statement on one of the channels yesterday..
                                  Please remember no one is pure and trustworthy -- ALL the way, till tested out, time and again

It is indeed a world of the 50-60% to manage and run the show in India -- those below 30 or 40/45, for sure. It will take time to get to be an accepted system.

A query-- WHY DID YOUNG RAHUL GANDHI MAKE THAT "QUCK TRIP " BY FLIGHT OVERSEAS, AND CAME BACK WITHIN 36 HOURS ?
Can we look beyond power and note what else is going on?
Regards and Peace.
dev chopra
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On 14 May 2014 21:20, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shri Agrawal,
 
Your farsightedness is appreciable. I fully agree with you. We
(AAP) have already brought BADLAV in this corruption ridden
system.
Jai Hind
 
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Change has already begun. Believe me, even if AAP does not form a Govt in Delhi, it will play a role of constructive opposition and shall serve the Delhi better than any other ruling party.

And don't go by the Exit polls. They have miserably failed in 2004 & 2009 elections. AAP will win atleast 15 seats including Varansi seats.
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RE: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

dear sir,
now it is clear mandate, and aap is no where out of total change and fought around 400 seats, through out india and has lost their jamanat,
wake up,
rss was formed in 1925, and it took   90 years to see a organised platform,
the parties which have rose as toofan, swantanta party, janta party, lok dal, are no where now, and now aap shall vanish in wind for ever


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Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:50:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] New post "BJP has overwhelming supp..." in [Aam Aadmi Party Delhi/NCR]

Dear Shri Agrawal,
 
Your farsightedness is appreciable. I fully agree with you. We
(AAP) have already brought BADLAV in this corruption ridden
system.
Jai Hind
 
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BJP has overwhelming support from upper cast hindus/ traders/ sangh pariwar, Cong from Muslims and lower middle class, SP from yadavas, BSP from dalits/ lower cast etc. Kejriwal has no such solid votebank behind him. If he has managed to transcend all cast, religion and communities and gether support for his ideology and mission accorss the board, it is a remarkable achievement.
Change has already begun. Believe me, even if AAP does not form a Govt in Delhi, it will play a role of constructive opposition and shall serve the Delhi better than any other ruling party.

And don't go by the Exit polls. They have miserably failed in 2004 & 2009 elections. AAP will win atleast 15 seats including Varansi seats.
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RE: [IAC#RG] FW: Khejrival

Time to look ahead now.
Amazing mandate given to a single party in our Indian democracy.
This says it all.
Long live democracy.
Yes, the scepticism is there.
One can't function without the indian ways.
What i think is we shd take d same in our stride,that does NOT mean accept it, and still make the economy move.
Not an easy task but surely possible.
Good Wishes to all.

On 14 May 2014 14:45, "Sainik Sangh" <gs@sainiksangh.org> wrote:

Corruption and  greed is a genetic gift in Hindus .Why this species is ordained by nature to remain slave. You may keep discussing

chauhan

maj gen

 

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You are absolutely right, Adv Sureshan. It is all being done so brazenly as if the masses were all 100 pc fools! Unfortunately even when swayed by half cooked, false information the masses could make the over all right choices only if they had the right choices! It is almost between the devil and the deep sea for them. The way even the simple RTI Act has been subverted leaves us with no hope that democracy can be ushered in here without violence!

regards n bw

ravi

 

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the purpose of holding price hike for few days? If that burden is going to fall upon the public any how why this extension? Know if price hike is implemented then that will only affect congress prospects. Holding price is nothing but a cheating to deceive voters.burocracy is very much helping A K for political mileage
Can u tell me under which constitutional or legal provision E C is empowered to pass such order. To me this seems just like U N Secratry or U S president passing some orders and our government implement it. Public of this country is just fooled and fooled that is all


Ashok Sawhney <sawhneyashok@gmail.com> wrote:

In case Arvind K and the AAP is all that Sarbjit Roy claims, how do you explain the gas price hike scheduled from 01 April having been put on hold, thanks to Arvind K. Both, the Congress and the BJP, had agreed on the hike.

 

All this talk about A and B teams appears to be without any logic.

 

Best,

Cmde Ashok Sawhney

 

On 27 March 2014 08:04, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:

"Meera Sanyal was only given an AAP ticket because her father Vice
Admiral Gulab Hiranandani was the Acting Chairperson of UPSC who
inducted Arvind Kejriwal into the IRS" - Sarbajit Roy, National
Convenor, India Against Corruption.[
www.indianewsco.com|27.03.2014,04:12:21IST]


On 3/27/14, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Papaji - Part II
>
> At IAC we know where all the bodies are buried.
>
> Today I will continue from where I left off and tell a nice little fairy
> tale.
>
> "> 4) CIA and Aruna Roy desperately wanted to get Arvind into IAS, but he
>> simply wasn't good enough, and even though they could have fixed his
>> UPSC exam results, they could not fix his interview, so the CIA
>> arranged that Arvind was placed in the IRS instead after his second
>> attempt."
>
> Those of us who know Arvind, also know that he is a complete loner,
> deeply paranoid and total misfit in any organisation where he is a
> subordinate. Yet the CIA in 1993 desperately wanted to place Arvind in
> the A-list but couldn't succeed because of his personality traits.
>
> The CIA got their break in 1995 when through a fortuitous coincidence
> one of their moles became the Acting Chair-person of the UPSC, and
> cleared 12 CIA recruits / sleepers into the civil list - including
> Arvind who was placed in the IRS because he was somewhere near the
> bottom of their list - the others (incl. some very brilliant chaps)
> are at the top of the IAS ladder or have moved into the corporate
> world where they can better assist US interests in India.
>
> Q: So who was that UPSC Chief ?
> A :Vice Admiral Hiranandani, father of Meera Sanyal (AAP candidate
> from S. Mumbai).
>
> If we consider the long list of Navy traitors who are associated with
> AAP to promote US interests (Admiral Ramdas being the best known) it
> is easy to see why so many of our "boats" are sinking or otherwise
> blowing up.
>
> Sarbajit.
>

 



 

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