. . . . We are the only country in the world which has a national carrier fully owned and operated by the government. Air India has already bled us, the citizens of 100,000 Cr tax payer money and our BPL figure is 32/-. Is any one answerable ? Does any one ask also about why selfish and shameless political decision continues for Air India ? All politicians have sealed their lips. //// Air India WAS USURPED, YES, USURPED; so that neta-babus with their wives, children; secretaries, friends; maids could travel UNHINDERED & UNQUESTIONED ! Ever since, neta - babus HAVE been bleeding, IS bleeding; & will CONTINUE TO BLEED, LIKE any other "organisation" that has been touched by THE neta - babu RUINING touch ! For example : HAL producer of LAST CENTURY'S A/C, DRDO; BEML (TATRA). After spending Lakhs of Crores + 1/4 or 1/2 Century; pouring money into their pockets. WE got XXX Billion $ American bill, XXX B $ French bill; XXX B $ Russian bill, Swiss bill (Trainer A/C); for this or that defence equipment. Farmers who feed us, GOT STARVATION. BEML an Indian PSU "producing" under performing Tatra, by label change, nearly changed OUR COAS, who blew the whistle on it. wah ! WAH ! SUPER POWER ? now super Kangal power, India; by SUPER MURAKH TEAM. Sarkari enforced IMPOVERISHMENT ? ? ? Thanks for your time. Best Wishes. Tel : 91-22-2412 1656 > 9 am to 9 pm = GMT + 5 1/2 hrs. Mob : 91 - 9820813951 \ 98201 88926 Minoo Mansion, 799 J J Road, Dadar East, Bombay - 400 014, India --- On Sat, 26/5/12, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote: From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> |
Saturday, May 26, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge] We are Doomed with Selfish and Shameless Political Decision Making - Air India
Re: [HumJanenge] We are Doomed with Selfish and Shameless Political Decision Making - Air India
I dont know how this reflects on the self created crisis in our
national carrier.
We have lots of relatives of our political class parked there on a
permanent basis right from sukh ram, lalooji, tiwariji, pawarji and
not to miss rajat sharmaji's own brother.
So cant touch it. Hope the pilots take pity on us.
Regards.
On 5/19/12, Arun Virmani <avarchitect@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Visiting Toronto, in the midst of our longish visit to New York, India can
> be seen in
> a better Perspective.
>
> Air India, should long have been privatised. If we are the only Fully
> operated Government Carrier(and Not justified)
> then sustained Effort should Continue to be mounted on the Government, To
> do so now!
>
> This crisis is an opportunity to do so Now, and Let all of Us hope for it,
> and Do whatever we can!
>
> We Indians have to give up the trait of Not punishing the Wrong Doer...the
> guilty.
>
> We have to work hard ourselves; A mantra i have picked up
> "
> "People Do what you inspect, and Not what you Expect !"
>
> So our work is cut out for us, we have to take it seriously.
>
> Here in Long Island, a very important elecfed leader is called a
> 'Supervisor' and she is running the whole Town !!
>
> Let us Work seriously.
>
> Arun
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Prem Gaba <premgaba@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> There has been a public out cry in the media since long to privatise Air
>> India. This has been a big drain on the nation's resources. The money
>> saved can be better utilised to eliminate poverty.
>>
>> It is high time that this esteemed "Maharaja" is given a farewell & let
>> the corporates run the Airlines.
>>
>> Col Khera's concern & deep anger are justified.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Prem Gaba
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 03:45:02 -0700
>> From: mkkhera@yahoo.com
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] We are Doomed with Selfish and Shameless Political
>> Decision Making - Air India
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> We are the only country in the world which has a national carrier fully
>> owned and operated by the government. Air India has already bled us, the
>> citizens of 100,000 Cr tax payer money and our BPL figure is 32/-. Is any
>> one answerable ? Does any one ask also about why selfish and shameless
>> political decision continues for Air India ? All politicians have sealed
>> their lips.
>>
>> Look at the Army. One case of disobedience of orders and in less than 24
>> hours, decision is taken to sack the commanding officer and disband the
>> unit. Kudos to the Army for living up to its highest standard of
>> discipline.
>>
>> Air India has eaten away 100,000 Cr of citizens money and Parliament has
>> all the time to waste on frivolous discussion on democracy of 60 years. If
>> Minister of Civil Aviation has any self respect, he would have forced the
>> PM to call for an emergency meeting and proposed the sell off of Air
>> India.
>> If PM has any self respect, he would call for a cabinet meeting to prepare
>> a resolution and then discuss it in Parliament, get the approval and have
>> it endorsed by the President. All this in 48 hours. Above all, what is Mme
>> Sonia Gandhi doing as UPA II Chairperson ?
>>
>> Brilliant RTI minds and excellent lawyers in the esteemed HJ group,
>> request save the nation through what ever is possible, RTIs/PILs/court
>> case
>> etc etc. I have no idea. May God save us.
>>
>> Jai Hind.
>>
>> With warm regards,
>>
>> Col Mahesh Khera
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arun Virmani
>
national carrier.
We have lots of relatives of our political class parked there on a
permanent basis right from sukh ram, lalooji, tiwariji, pawarji and
not to miss rajat sharmaji's own brother.
So cant touch it. Hope the pilots take pity on us.
Regards.
On 5/19/12, Arun Virmani <avarchitect@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Visiting Toronto, in the midst of our longish visit to New York, India can
> be seen in
> a better Perspective.
>
> Air India, should long have been privatised. If we are the only Fully
> operated Government Carrier(and Not justified)
> then sustained Effort should Continue to be mounted on the Government, To
> do so now!
>
> This crisis is an opportunity to do so Now, and Let all of Us hope for it,
> and Do whatever we can!
>
> We Indians have to give up the trait of Not punishing the Wrong Doer...the
> guilty.
>
> We have to work hard ourselves; A mantra i have picked up
> "
> "People Do what you inspect, and Not what you Expect !"
>
> So our work is cut out for us, we have to take it seriously.
>
> Here in Long Island, a very important elecfed leader is called a
> 'Supervisor' and she is running the whole Town !!
>
> Let us Work seriously.
>
> Arun
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Prem Gaba <premgaba@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> There has been a public out cry in the media since long to privatise Air
>> India. This has been a big drain on the nation's resources. The money
>> saved can be better utilised to eliminate poverty.
>>
>> It is high time that this esteemed "Maharaja" is given a farewell & let
>> the corporates run the Airlines.
>>
>> Col Khera's concern & deep anger are justified.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Prem Gaba
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 03:45:02 -0700
>> From: mkkhera@yahoo.com
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] We are Doomed with Selfish and Shameless Political
>> Decision Making - Air India
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> We are the only country in the world which has a national carrier fully
>> owned and operated by the government. Air India has already bled us, the
>> citizens of 100,000 Cr tax payer money and our BPL figure is 32/-. Is any
>> one answerable ? Does any one ask also about why selfish and shameless
>> political decision continues for Air India ? All politicians have sealed
>> their lips.
>>
>> Look at the Army. One case of disobedience of orders and in less than 24
>> hours, decision is taken to sack the commanding officer and disband the
>> unit. Kudos to the Army for living up to its highest standard of
>> discipline.
>>
>> Air India has eaten away 100,000 Cr of citizens money and Parliament has
>> all the time to waste on frivolous discussion on democracy of 60 years. If
>> Minister of Civil Aviation has any self respect, he would have forced the
>> PM to call for an emergency meeting and proposed the sell off of Air
>> India.
>> If PM has any self respect, he would call for a cabinet meeting to prepare
>> a resolution and then discuss it in Parliament, get the approval and have
>> it endorsed by the President. All this in 48 hours. Above all, what is Mme
>> Sonia Gandhi doing as UPA II Chairperson ?
>>
>> Brilliant RTI minds and excellent lawyers in the esteemed HJ group,
>> request save the nation through what ever is possible, RTIs/PILs/court
>> case
>> etc etc. I have no idea. May God save us.
>>
>> Jai Hind.
>>
>> With warm regards,
>>
>> Col Mahesh Khera
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arun Virmani
>
Friday, May 25, 2012
[HumJanenge] Appointment of CIC in 2010
Dear Mr M K Gupta,
You were given the entire file by DoPT and during the hearing CIC SM surmised for you that no shortlisting was done, when IC ANT was elevated to CIC (after CIC WH demitted office).
Here is what you actually wanted to know:
The story actually started when CIC WH "resigned" from office to go to J&K as its first Chief SIC. That resignation was left in a limbo and had a bearing at the time of resignation of IC Omita Paul. Subsequently, when CIC WH did demit office he same "suggested procedure" was adopted.
Here is the full story as to how it was done:
Between 2010 and 2011, I had obtained all documents related to elevation of IC ANT to CIC from the CPIO of CIC and PMO. A summary as to what happened behind the scenes, is available in post #2 here:
In case you want, I have all the documents with me.
When you analyse those documents, you will learn that how childish can 65 year olds become - just to get the "Chief" tag attached before their designation.
Keep a careful watch on the order of appearance of the photos of various ICs in the CIC (on the CIC home page). Do homework with their CVs......and you can safely predict the order of future Chief IC till Feb 2017 !
RTIwanted
Thursday, May 24, 2012
Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: Open Letter To BEST, MSRTC - Sorry State Of Affairs - Continues
Dear Desai
Thanks. Your views are well concieved
Dr JN Sharma
Thanks. Your views are well concieved
Dr JN Sharma
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Dolphy Dsouza <dolphyadsouza@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Jagdeep Desai,You have raised very valid points.One point that might have been missed out is how the Drivers park their buses at the stops in the middle of the busy road thus adding to the traffic jams.They are a law unto themselves. At Santacruz East station Depot it is a chaos. Commuters are waiting and waiting and the buses have all been stacked one after another with no indication when they will move.Only God I think regulates the functioning of the BEST in Mumbai and protects the citizens with a few major accidents.Dolphy D'souza----- Original Message -----From: Jagdeep DESAITo: BEST GM - O.P.Gupta ; mdmsrtc@rediffmail.com ; dgmte@bestundertaking.com ; BEST Transport ; pro@bestundertaking.comCc: chiefminister@maharashtra.gov.in ; psec.transport@maharashtra.gov.in ; Traffic Police ; mc ; rahul.shewale@rediffmail.com ; raja166.fn@mcgm.gov.in ; shinde194.gs@mcgm.gov.in ; jagrut nagrik manch movement ; Janhit Manch ; rti4emp yahoo ; rtiunion@googlegroups.com ; rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com ; ashok datar ; dtvinod kumar ; Chetan Bordawekar ; A.V.Shenoy ; Shantharam Shenai ; Harshad BHATIA ; Sujeet Patharkar ; RRUC Team ; Sujit Patwardhan ; Sameer Buddha ; Bimal Bhatia ; Navin ; theindipatriot@yahoo.co.in ; Dilip Patel-BEST ; maloy bhatt ; Gaurang Damani ; Chetan Kothari ; G.R.Vora Sahasi Padayatri ; Krishnaraj Rao ; Nitin Killawala ; hemooupadhyay ; Akhtar CHAUHAN ; designtania@gmail.com ; rekha desai ; Dilip Marfatia (Dilipmarfatia@Rediffmail. Com) ; info@iacmumbai.org ; kumar pravesh ; Neha Kumar ; sherleyjsingh ; Kunickaa Sadanand lall ; Leena Prabhoo ; Waman Danait ; Dr. Leo Rebello ; Adhiraj Joglekar ; transportgrievance ; tcmaharashtra@yahoo.com ; MUKESH DESAI ; ankur mehta ; vipul vaidya ; Pramod Sahasrabuddhe ; pramath3@rediffmail.com ; mayor ; Rakesh chokhani ; Rajesh RC ; kapilg25 ; Apurva Patel ; Sandeep OhriSent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:37 PMSubject: [rti4empowerment] Re: Open Letter To BEST, MSRTC - Sorry State Of Affairs - ContinuesWith corrected date
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai1@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MAY 24Shri OP GUPTAGMBESTShri D KAPOORMDMSRTCNamaskar Mahoday,Looks like the average BEST and MSRCT driver has no interest to follow any rules, directives, instructions, orders from any one.In case of accidents, his usual excuse is, brake failure, or steering got lockedThe BEST and MSRTC have not explained why these drivers drive the way they do, and how they were selected as drivers in the first place, and in case of incidents and accidents why they are not grounded, if not suspended, if not discharged.Not to mention the hundreds of unreported cases of signal violations, lane cutting, driving in wrong, ie, extreme right lane, over speeding, wearing uniforms casually, slippers and chappals instead of shoes, no caps, shirts with unbuttoned top buttons.It is truly sad case, and there is no hope for the general public, passengers, other users, if this is not addressed immediately on a war footing.Thanqx.Jagdeep DESAISecretaryFounder TrusteeForum for Improving Quality of Life in Mumbai Suburbs
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai1@gmail.com> wrote:
2012 MAY 07Shri OP GUPTAGMBESTShri D KAPOORMDMSRTCNamaskar Mahoday,An open letter, which you may give consideration in the public interest, or you may ignore in the interest of indiscipline and disorder.A long time ago, there was a public bus service which was the best in India.I had many years of real pleasant travelling as a passenger, first as a school boy, our school rented BEST single deckers as school buses way back in the 1970s, then, as a college student, then as one of the lakhs of daily passengers.The drivers and conductors used to wear caps, shoes, and had their shirts buttoned.The temperature and climate of Mumbai in those days was the same as now.That was, a long time ago.Amd though the examples are of BEST buses , their drivers., etc.,similar, if not same apply to the MSRTC.Now the buses are so badly maintained, that a report shows just a few of the many examples.
In fact most buses are damaged in one way or another, almost all the buses with LED indicators are seen with route numbers and destination written in chalk, because the LED are gone case, in the same buses, the automatic doors are either not working, or they have been tied by the staff because the drivers do not want to wait for them entry and exit doors to open and close because they just screech to a halt from a fast speed, and then race off.Not to mention the pathetic workmanship of the bus bodies, the seats are now giving way, not to mention again, the poor ergonomics, and so on.And even though there is an internal document, the BEST Traffic manual, not a single employee has not only not bothered to read it, let alone follow it, forget about laws of the landNowadays, the name has remained, BEST, but somewhere down the line, the service quality has given way to excuses, excuses, excuses.Read what has happenedThe unnamed BEST official says>>>Some officials from the transport undertaking admitted there was a need to discipline the drivers. A BEST committee member claimed that cases sometimes resulted in acquittals because witnesses failed to come forward to testify against the driver. Consumer rights activists have demanded that BEST buses should have speed governors and the department has already begun the process of indigenously manufacturing "speed-limit gadgets" to control the speed of the bus.
BEST officials claimed the number of fatal accidents has dropped and only seasoned/trained drivers are deployed on important routes.>>>Unfortunately the truth and fact is that witnesses are intimidated, threatened, and pressurised not to attend the hearings in the BEST depots if at all these are held, forget about in the Courts, let alone give evidence.Further, what is meant by only seasoned / trained drivers are deployed on important routes.All routes are equally important.And does that mean the rest are untrained, and left to terrorise passengers, pedestrians, other road users.Why aren't drivers trained.What is this training, breaking all signals all times of day, not stopping within 600 mm of the bus stops, cutting lanes, rash driving, reckless driving, etcAren't licensed drivers by definition supposed to be trained, and supposed to follow traffic rules.And these are only the few offenses which are reported, how about the thousands of unreported and worse, ignored incidents which seen day and night on our roads.Excuse me, kindly excuse the word, but what is this c@@@p
>>>No reference to total lack of complying to traffic rulesReport from 2008A public service, which has a responsibility of lakhs of passengers, has no qualms in hiring untrained, partially trained, poorly trained drivers, and after that, has no qualms in not bringing them to book in case of rash, reckless, dangerous driving, which mostly go unreportedAnd if you observe around, when you are on the roads in Mumbai, you will see that01 The drivers, trained, untrained, young, old, experienced, inexperienced, do not follow any traffic rules, and they are unleashed on the Citizens of Mumbai, endangering liuves, limbs, property.
Is this not corruption of a high order02 They drivers do not stop at the bus stops, agin endangering the waiting passengers's lives, blocking traffic, wasting fuel because so many vehicles are blocked, and smooth flow of traffic is affected03 The drivers and conductors do not wear the complete uniform, most of them wear sandals or chappals, keep their shirt buttons open, I have seen a driver of the BEST AC bus, driving with a vest, banian, on duty.
Such things give a very very poor impression of the BEST to any body, apart from tourists.
I have seen drivers of Karachi's Green Bus Service, wearing ties, and caps, even though the temperatures there are as high as in Mumbai in APR.Though the lighter side, and we can take heart that our fate is not as bad can be read on this04 The errant BESTdrivers who knowingly violate traffic rules are confident that neither the BEST administration and neither the MTP will take any effective punitive action on them, so they continue to carry on their dangerous driving05 If at all the driver is caught, at the hearing, the witnesses and victims are made out to be the offender, this has been seen time and again, unions, fellow staff are not only on their side of the errant driver, but make sure the victim is made to get of the exit very fast06 The MTP deliberately ignore violations by the BEST drivers, even while taking action for say, breaking signals by LMV, and so on, thereby further emboldening their arroganceThanqx.Jagdeep DESAISecretaryFounder TrusteeForum for Improving Quality of Life in Mumbai Suburbs>>>Bus driver was at fault, says BEST
Somit Sen, TNN | Apr 7, 2012, 05.48AM IST2The driver of the BEST double-decker was responsible for Friday's mishap in Bandra (E) and there was nothing wrong with the bus, said senior officials of the transport undertaking.
With the Kalanagar turn (from Bandra-Kurla Complex, towards the Western Express Highway) coming at a sharp angle, any speed above 20 kmph could result in a bus tipping over, said BEST general manager Om Prakash Gupta.
Speaking to TOI, Gupta blamed the driver, Jalimdar Bhosle, for the accident, alleging that he was driving the bus at a much higher speed in a bid to get past the Kalanagar signal. "The signal had just turned amber from green. The driver, who was in a tearing hurry, swerved the vehicle and it overturned," he explained, adding that an inquiry would be conducted against the driver for alleged rash and negligent driving.
Experience was also not on Bhosle's side. "He is not a seasoned driver and has only over two years' experience," said Gupta. "Whenever a bus takes a turn at a signal, the turning radius plays a key role. The driver has to use his judgment, reduce the speed of the vehicle and then turn the vehicle accordingly. This will ensure that the bus's centre of gravity is not displaced."
A senior BEST official from the engineering department said there was no problem with the vehicle. "We inspected the bus on the spot and found out that the mishap was not caused by any technical problem. It is a case of human error and the driver is to be blamed (for the accident)," the official said.
Experts in the transport body say the centre of gravity of a BEST double-decker, weighing around 7,600kg, is at the bottom of the vehicle. "The driver has to bear in mind that passengers are not inconvenienced when brakes are applied or when he changes gears and accelerates on an empty road," one of them said.
However, BEST committee member Ravi Raja alleged that this was rarely the case as reckless driving was rampant, drivers jumped signals frequently and also went beyond permissible speed limits. "I have been in the committee for two decades , but have never heard of a double-decker overturning. This is alarming," he said.
Another committee member, Dilip Patel, demanded that the double-decker buses be manned by only experienced drivers.>>>
BEST has worst finance, MSRTC bad buses
Published: Friday, Apr 6, 2012, 9:30 IST | Updated: Friday, Apr 6, 2012, 0:55 IST
By DNA Correspondent | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA
The latest public transport report card released by the Union ministry has ranked BEST as the second highest loss-making body in the country and the MSRTC as the country's third-highest profit making body. The report also says that accidents have gone up on both the fleets.
The BEST has recently proposed a fare hike and also cut down on 15 loss-making routes to correct its finances. Among the three highest loss-making SRTUs, Delhi Transport leads the bandwagon with highest loss of Rs2,286.54 crore, followed by BEST's Rs381.38 crore and Andra Pradesh's state transport of Rs268.81 crore.
A BEST committee member said that BEST was now looking at various other options from where they could raise money and pull the undertaking out of the red. The MSRTC, however, fares badly when it comes to using its buses as its fleet of over-aged buses has increased from 0.6% in 2010 to 10.4% in 2011. The productivity of the transport undertakings, to a large extent, depends on the age profile of their bus fleet and the policy adopted for scrapping of over-aged buses.
"One cannot compare city and state buses. We are planning to improve and upgrade the fleet. This year we are planning to induct new fleet of semi-sleeper Volvos, new Sheetals, new Parivartans with better design and seats,'' Deepak Kapoor, managing director of MSRTC told DNA.
>>>
City
Day after Bandra accident which left biker dead, BEST suspends rash driver
Mumbai Mirror Bureau
Posted On Saturday, April 07, 2012 at 10:11:26 PM
The management of the Brihanmumbai Electric Supply and Transport (BEST), on Saturday, suspended the driver of the double decker bus that toppled at Bandra on Friday killing one person, for reckless driving.
The double-decker BEST bus, route no 310, toppled as its driver was speeding towards the Bandra railway station. The accident which took place at Kalanagar, left a motorcyclist, Harish Pillai, dead.
Thirty one passengers were injured in the incident, of these 16 were admitted in Bhabha Hospital. Ten were discharged immediately after treatment. Five people are in private hospitals.
"The bus driver, Jallinder Bhosle, has been found responsible for the accident. On Friday BEST authorities investigated all facts and then suspended him. The accident took place due to speeding at a turn," said OP Gupta, general manager, BEST.
The driver was arrested by the Kherwadi police. According to sources from BEST, he was recruited on temporary daily wage basis during the drivers' strike in 2007, when the BEST administration recruited about 750 drivers who were not properly trained. He was made permanent in June 2010, according to Gupta. In the past three months, the BEST has taken action against about 500 employees, including drivers, for indisciplinary behaviour.
There are 4,699 buses in BEST's fleet, of which 4,000 ply in the city and suburbs every day, and there are about 12,000 drivers, including permanent and temporary drivers.
"These temporary drivers don't have proper training, but are tested by the administration during recruitment. They don't have enough knowledge of heavy vehicle driving," admitted Ravi Raja, a BEST committee member.
"Though the BEST claims that there were fewer accidents involving their buses this year, there were 32 fatal accidents, 135 serious and 400 minor accidents. Sixty five cases of collision were reported," he added.
Victim's family wants BEST driver to be punished
"Someone else's negligence ruined our lives. The reckless BEST bus driver should be punished," said KK Nambiar, accident victim Harish's uncle. Harish, 31, was a BPO employee. "Harish used to ride a bike for many years. He always rode it very carefully. The BEST bus driver's carelessness cost him his life," Nambiar said.
Harish's younger brother, Santosh said, "We are not in a position to pursue the case, but the BEST has to punish the driver. Harish was to get married on May 3." Harish's father Ravindran was not in a position to speak. On Saturday he collected the body from Cooper hospital, and Harish was cremated at Gorai crematorium.
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