[IAC#RG] Fed up with Investment Advice e-mailers

Dear IAC members

Apparently many members of this list, and some other RTI mailing lists, are regularly receiving emails from financial consultants.

for eg. a Mumbai based investors network of social activists etc. claims past returns ranging from 36% to 72% per annum since 2012 (with the caveat that returns going forward are likely to be significantly lower).

Attractive titles typically used in the emails (I've used the Mumbai network's titles for convenience) run like this:-

• Just 15 minutes to reshape your investment scientifically
• Revealed: A system of actually buying more at market lows
• Investing Success Comes From The Right Method
• Warning: Don't make this fatal investing mistake
• Stop wasting time knowing about financial products.
• Is Investing That Simple?
• How to fix your finances without ruining your weekends

Being curious, I decided to ask them more about it with a pointed question like :-

I'm very seriously interested in this and would like to compare your program versus my own investment algorithms, My code / data is also from 2002 when the NIFTY essentially started. Could you give me the weekly / monthly  buy /sell calls generated by your Investment tool without benefit of back testing.since 2002. - Sarbajit Roy, New Delhi.

Usually, they had no reply except to say I should first subscribe to their "system" to know more about it.

Now it is very likely that due to broker nexus and insider trading / tips etc. spectacular results / returns can be generated for a few years.

However, do your due diligence thoroughly, since it seems that public email lists like ours are being scraped for email IDs and especially ex-faujis and retirees etc .are being tempted with unsustainable returns.

PS: If anyone has invested in such schemes, please contact me off-list.

Sarbajit

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Navnit,

The core texts of interpretation of the Quran written in the years during and immediate following the demise of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) and the various authentic sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) make it very clear that the actual description of Paradise is beyond human comprehension and language.

The oft quoted 'houries' is a misinterpretation of 'azwaj' meaning 'companions'. These companions can be one's earthly family itself, if they all are indeed worthy of entering 'Paradise'. I say these in the light of the Hadith (the prophet's sayings) and actual Arabic texts that I have read up on as I too was misled during my younger days by misinterpretations of the Quran and Hadith.

I too agree with you that in any religion the fanatics edit the Holy Scriptures to suit their needs, and incite hatred and violence. The basic drive is their craving for power.

A not well known fact is that the Prophet (peace be upon him) had himself allowed a visiting delegation of Christian dignitaries to use the Masjid-al-Nabavi at Madina for their rituals of worship during their visit!

And yes, it is the silence of the 'good' is more dangerous than the ravings of the 'evil'.

It is good to see that many do share my views on harmony between all religions.

On Oct 24, 2014 1:48 PM, "Diwan Singh" <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Usman,
>
> Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.
> But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.
> The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious. 
> Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.
> Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.
> But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr Usman
>>
>> Thanks for your email.
>>
>> The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
>> attributed to Raj Narain Bose.
>>
>> At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
>> prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
>> onwards was the term preferred
>> [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
>> precisely the reason cited in the point #1.
>>
>> All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
>> surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
>> (theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
>> separated in India.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
>> > Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>> >
>> > I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>> >
>> > 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
>> > means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
>> > Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>> >
>> > 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>> >
>> > 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
>> > pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
>> > point 5)
>> >
>> > 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
>> > infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
>> > and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
>> > Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
>> > thousands of times over.
>> > That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
>> > important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>> >
>> > I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
>> > described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
>> > portray them to be.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > S Usman
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> > Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
>> > Phobic Fantasy?
>> > To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> > Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>> >
>> > Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>> >>
>> >> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>> >>
>> >> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>> >>
>> >> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>> >>
>> >> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> >> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> >> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> >> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> >> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>> >>
>> >> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> >> "superiority" over all other religions
>> >> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>> >>
>> >> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> >> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> >> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> >> persons are not Hindus.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>> >>
>> >> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> >> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> >> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>> >>
>> >> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> >> devotion and the worshipper.
>> >>
>> >> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> >> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> >> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>> >>
>> >> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> >> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> >> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>> >>
>> >> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> >> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> >> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> >> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>> >>
>> >> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> >> other scriptures have only man in view.
>> >>
>> >> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> >> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> >> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> >> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> >> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> >> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> >> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>> >>
>> >> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> >> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> >> religion.
>> >>
>> >> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> >> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> >> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> >> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>> >>
>> >> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> >> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> >> religiously.
>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Fully agree, Diwan Singh ji. i share my views, rarely on these debates. 

Having worked in the M. E., voluntarily in West/East Pakistan, later in Bangladesh, and before retiring (1994) in Yemen & Jordan -- i note :- the Islamic clergy calls the shots. The Islamic States, tend to go under their extremists, (their armed forces ally with them, for their own vested interests !) & thus literally, run the roost. 

That, historically has been the sordid game, which can easily be explained by a saying : "jiska danda uski bhains".....!

Believers in the Islamic world, regard ALL others INFERIOR to them all.

The world of the Jews (now the State of Israel, where i have been) with or even w/o the support of the US (which will never come to be !) -- will hit back, come what may, now or in the future, for-ever-more. That is why you may note that on our TV channels

("Times Now" to name one, etc.) the Pakistani panel participants (retired, high ranking armed force wallahs) refer to India linking up with Israel !

ONE more way to create hatred for the Indian nation, among their own and the rest of the Islamic world.

Much of our strategy & policy for the future has to come from a loyal armed might within our house. Thus, communalism can be put at rest -- J&K or no J&K ...!

Regards & Peace.

On 24 October 2014 13:11, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Usman,

Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.

But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.

The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious. 

Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.

Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.

But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>

> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Navnith

It is very unfortunate that whenever inclusive efforts are made to
make this group as "INDIA" against corruption, all sorts of spurious
divisive bogeys from BHARAT are raised. If this carries on we
shall seriously have to evaluate our rules.

Before we point fingers at sacred books of another religion, we
(ie. you and I) as Hindus should seriously examine our own scriptures.

I'm sure you will acknowledge that till the 19th century there were
no authentic Hindu texts available in physical form. In 1780's we
were faced with the onslaught of Christian missionaries from USA's
great theological schools - Harvard and Princeton and Yale, the
Serampore printing presses of missionaries like Marshmann and
Carey, systematically demolishing Hinduism and depicting Hinduism
as a vile pagan religion, and converting - first the lower castes
and then even dissolute beef eating Brahman boys high on
liquor, sex with cheap white prostitutes etc.

In 1792 they published "An Enquiry into the Obligations of
Christians to use Means for the Conversion of the Heathens."

At this time the elders of my religion had to step in to stop this
Christian nonsense. firstly we took them on publicly. Then
when the sources of Hinduism were questioned, we
arranged for the first authentic (to the extent possible) recordings
of the 4 Vedas to be set down in writing in ca. 1846. We
embarked on a massive search for authentic versions of
the Vedas. The Bhandarkar Institute Pune where the earliest
versions are available is a component of this constant quest.

What foreigners like Max Muller have mistranslated is based on the
very early versions we arranged and downright forgeries which they
concocted in Germany and Oxford.

So before poking fingers, we should examine ourselves, and this
myth of what passes for Hinduism today. We should also carefully
examine if Hinduism's main rival is Islam or Christianity or both.

Sarbajit

On 10/24/14, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr.Sarbajit/Usman
>
> May Mr.Usman clarify what sort of salvation Islam offers.Is it a heaven
> wuith Hurries around you. More over Islamic
> scriptures are the most easily misinterprettable religeous scriptures.There
> are
> more trhan 50 wars going on around the world today all based on the
> interpretation of these scriptures.The beheadings by ISIS are based on
> them,so
> also are the Sunni-Shia wars happening all around,the massacres of Kurds
> and
> Christians,Hafiz Ziad's tirade against India,the terrorist activities in
> our
> own country,driving out Pandits from Kashmir and even the partition of our
> great country.For this one
> has to only read Quranic verses 5:33,8:12,47:4.9:123 etc.all can be and
> also
> being interpreted to justify such activities and killings.The sensible
> Muslim
> intellectuals(if they are allowed to live) and leaders should come out
> giving interpretations that bring
> peace among people. Government in turn should with the help of such
> intellectuals bring in laws to control violent interpretations by
> semi-literate
> Mullahs and Moulvis.Most Muslims want a
> peaceful life.Unfortunately the fanatic Islamists are running the religeon
> now.We know the catastrophe that happened when Nazis took over Germany
> where
> the majority of Germans were not Nazis.Unfortubately in our country the
> vote
> bank secularists and the chattering channels unknowingly are digging the
> foundations of our
> Nation by crying wolf over control on Madrassas which is the need of the day
> if
> this nation has to survive..
>
> navnith
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr. Usman,

Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.

But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.

The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious. 

Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.

Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.

But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>

> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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Re: [IAC#RG] COMPLAINT for illegal content concerning minors, violation of child rights etc.

Dear Ajay

The issue is not as black and white as this, and has hardly anything
to do with AVAM, which is Shanti Bhushan ji's internal initiative in
AAP.
.
IAC-HQ is directly watching this situation, which shall also define
our response with various vested interests. In later posts I shall
elaborate how IAC is being systematically targeted by the CIA for our
pro-India anti-foreigner ideology which forcefully opposes their
morals and degradations of our national values.

It is highly unlikely that Wikipedia will remove those images of
school children in a Pune RSS "seminary" where they are taught
perverted US written Hindutva from a very young age and brainwashed
that J&K and Arunachal are not integral parts of India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Political_map_of_India_EN.svg

It is really amazing what self described patriotic organisations like
Jnana Prabodini Pune, where those photos were taken, seem to be doing
for the sake of a few US dollars thrown to them by CIA fronts.

I shall also be writing to the principal of the school with very
pointed questions about their school's links to Wikipedia.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear IAC members
>
> We have just received news from AVAM India (attached) that a major online
> encyclopedia CITIZENDIUM has deleted all the files in the notice sent by
> the legal representative which showed AAP child volunteers being trained by
> Wikipedia USA to edit Wikipedia articles on computers connected to
> Wikipedia's obscene pornographic servers.
>
> Wikipedia's response is still awaited by AVAM (AAP Volunteers Action Manch)
>
> *This is a significant victory for AVAM and like minded groups within AAP
> throughout India*, who are personally working under guidance of Senior
> Advocate Shri Shanthi Bhushan to clean up the party and bring in
> transparency.
>
> Ajay
> IAC National Cyber media in-charge
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Why BJP cannot reveal the list of those who stashed money abroad?

Yes, I fully agree with you.

 

From: Kumar Arun
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To: satyapravah@googlegroups.com, Media moniorYahoogroup
Cc: IAC Sarabjit

 

Some of the well educated as well as wise men & woman are committing a big mistake by communicating through a group mail called "India Resist" controlled by a freak- Sarabjit Roy. 

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:12:32 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why BJP cannot reveal the list of those who stashed money abroad?

So far as getting information from foreign govts is concerned notwithstanding what the bilateral treties say about nondisclosure of names, I do not think any foreign govt can have any interest in protecting any Indians.So if the Indian Govt sends a letter to those foreign govts asking for the disclosure of Indian names,I do not think the foreign govts are likely to raise an objrction.But if the political party in power is aware that some of its top leaders have money stashed abroad the indian govt itself may not adopt this course.

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On Oct 19, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Satya D <hitaya123@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Beyond the drama of revealing the list of those who stashed money abroad there is one fact that seems to be lost.  That is money is needed to run elections.   Some of the same people who donate funds to all political parties (including BJP) to run elections could very well possibly be in the list.   

Our current election financing makes the politics beholden to the rich.  (Unfortunately the great democracy US is no exception where they just legalized corruption).   While parties like BJP would use those badly needed funds to run elections, most parties starting from Congress use that as a reason to amass literally billions of dollars personal illegal wealth.  This has engendered dynasties across India starting with Nehru family.  Note that though India's election system has limitation on how much a candidate spends it has no limit on what party would spend.   The problem is those who donate do not wish to be named and they donate both sides so that they gain no matter who wins.   Moreover, that money may even be unaccounted money.

In 1991,  leading Swiss magazine Illustre Schweiger reported many world leaders who stashed wealth in Swiss banks.  This is around the same time wealth of Marcos from Phillippine was divulged and was later successfully pursued.    That article reported Rajiv Gandhi had an account with 2 billion US dollars.  That is drop in the bucket.  Since India independence, increasingly since liberalization,  per respected Global Financial Integrity, India has lost 400+ billion dollars,  just based on under invoicing (well known technique), and it is just part of the story.   Today tax havens exist all around the world, including India!!!!   Did you know that the locations where these tax havens exist are also vacation resorts?

Last year we traced the journalist in Switzerland who wrote the 1991 Illustre Schweiger article but she was not willing to cooperate, mostly perhaps due to the Swiss laws that protect the account holders.   We even consulted the Swiss attorney who pursued Marcos wealth and he said he cannot pursue until Indian Government authorizes it.   Why would those who loot give authorization in the first place?   Here is the problem.   Even if we pursue, there has been very little success around the world to get back the wealth stashed away in safe havens.   (Even US success with Swiss banks was based on a whistle blower list and US is a powerful country that was able to put lot of pressure).  We need to understand that Swiss and other safe havens exist to protect those who deposit, not those who were looted.   It is a continuation of colonization and imperialism, just a different form.

We need to think through this holistically.   We need to stem the future looting.  We need to change financing of India's elections.    There should be some way of public private cooperation just like US has and we can improve on it.   We also need to put stringent limits on pursuing cases of politicians who amassed personal wealth so that they do not drag for ages like that of Jayalalitha.    Courts should nationalize the wealth of all the illegally amassed wealth both in India and abroad.   At least in case of Jayalalitha and even Robert Vadra they amassed wealth in India, but those like Sonia have neatly stashed away in safe havens, perhaps even Vatican banks which are all difficult to return.   From what I understand, back in 2009 Sonia negotiated with Italian premier to got good terms in Italian amnesty scheme to convert all the looted funds to accounted funds!!!    This web of things make us wonder where we are going with all this.   

But try we must and do our best to get back the money, but we need to be rooted in realism and work hard to stem future corruption.   Let us start with Participatory notes.

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Arun Jaitley's defense of dogged persistence. Has NaMo consultedl all experts to get back kaala dhan? 

FM Arun Jaitley: NDA's approach on black money doggedly persistent, not adventurist

By ECONOMICTIMES.COM | 18 Oct, 2014, 03.16PM IST

 

"The NDA government stands committed to detect the names, prosecuting the guilty and making them public," Jaitley wrote in his blog.

"Nobody has ever suggested that the names should not be made public. They should be made public in accordance with the existing due process of law," he reiterated. NEW DELHI: Seeking to clarify the NDA government's stand on the issue of black money,Finance Minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday said, "The NDA government will not withhold any information, including names of account holders who have stashed black money abroad, from the public; but the names will be revealed after following the due process of completing investigations and reaching conclusions about quantum of unaccounted money." 

"The NDA government stands committed to detect the names, prosecuting the guilty and making them public. We are not going to be pushed into an act of adventurism where we violate the treaties and then plead that we are no longer able to get the cooperation of reciprocating states," Jaitley wrote in his blog. "Such an approach may actually help the account holders. Adventurism will be short-sighted. A mature approach will take us to the root of the matter," he added. 

"Any premature and out of court disclosure of the names of account holders would not only vitiate the investigations but will enable such account holders to get away with their offences. It will also violate India's Double Taxation Avoidance Agreements (DTAA) with other countries and will choke receipt of all further information from those countries," Jaitley went on to elaborate. 

"All that the Government has requested the Supreme Court is to clarify that it has not prohibited the Government of India to enter into Treaties with countries wherein a commitment may be made by the Government to maintain confidentiality of information received as per international standards," he said. "If such a commitment to maintain the confidentiality is not given we will not receive any information about Indians hiding their money in other countries including offshore financial centres and tax havens. Thus the clarification sought from the Supreme Court is only to facilitate collection of information about illegal money stashed abroad," he added. 

"On October 15, 2014, a team of officials led by Revenue Secretary and comprising of Chairman, CBDT has signed a Joint Statement with the appropriate authorities in Switzerland with regard to investigation into black money stacked in Swiss banks," Jaitley said. He went on to explain the four important aspects of that agreement which are: 

(i) With regard to the list available with India of account holders in the HSBC, where Indian tax authorities have conducted independent investigations, the Swiss would provide India with details upon our furnishing of adequate evidence in this regard. 

(ii) Whenever India has some information/ documentary evidence, the Swiss would confirm the authenticity or otherwise of that evidence. 

(iii) This would be done in a time bound manner. 

(iv) Discussion would now start on a bilateral agreement on automatic exchange of information in the banking system. If this bilateral arrangement is arrived at, it will be an important milestone in detection of black money held by Indians in the Swiss banks. 

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RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr.Sarbajit/Usman
 
May Mr.Usman clarify what sort of salvation Islam offers.Is it a heaven wuith Hurries around you. More over  Islamic scriptures are the most easily misinterprettable religeous scriptures.There are more trhan 50 wars going on around the world today all based on the interpretation of these scriptures.The beheadings by ISIS are based on them,so also are the Sunni-Shia wars happening all around,the massacres of Kurds and Christians,Hafiz Ziad's tirade against India,the terrorist activities in our own country,driving out Pandits from Kashmir and  even the partition of our great country.For this one has to only read Quranic verses 5:33,8:12,47:4.9:123 etc.all can be and also being interpreted to justify such activities and killings.The sensible Muslim intellectuals(if they are allowed to live) and leaders should come out giving interpretations that bring peace among people. Government in turn should with the help of such intellectuals bring in laws to control violent interpretations by semi-literate Mullahs and Moulvis.Most  Muslims want a peaceful life.Unfortunately the fanatic Islamists are running the religeon now.We know the catastrophe that happened when Nazis took over Germany where the majority of Germans were not Nazis.Unfortubately in our country the vote bank secularists and the chattering channels  unknowingly are digging the foundations of our Nation by crying wolf over control on Madrassas which is the need of the day if this nation has to survive.. 
 
navnith 
 
 

 

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:59:28 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr Usman
 
Thanks for your email.
 
The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.
 
At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.
 
All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.
 
Sarbajit
 
On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

One tends to agree with Shri Raj Narain Bose ji, as said, interpretation of Hindu religion.
Basically a way of life,in contrast to a single minded following of a said doctorate.
Logic being the premise of all deeds based on past present individual experiences.
Regards to all.

On 24 Oct 2014 11:31, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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Re: [IAC#RG] CORRUPT POLITICIAN HAS THE LAST LAUGH AND JUDICIARY BECOME LAUGHING STOCK

Several times in the past ,I have made out the point that we don't have a system to safeguard and protect the  interest of civilized people. Starting from the process of appointment and complete protection till retirement to a judicial officer this is totally flawed and need complete reformation. U can't blame a common man who get a feeling after seeing court that it functions for giving employment to  judges and lawyers. Fighting litigation is made so costly in this country by lawyers and judges. Even well known public interest lawyers are charging exorbitant fees without any justification. When we have tariff authorities on many sector such as electricity telecom etc no body even wanted such authority to this most essential and important legal sector? Which heaven is going to fallen if fees structure is regulated for lawyers? Why no demand from any political parties? How can judiciary  violate article 14 and designate few advocate as senior and give them license to charge exorbitant fees even for taking adjournments?
We need completely a new system to deal with this kind of totally unfair and unsustainable practices.

On Oct 23, 2014 11:01 PM, "Manavendu Mahan" <mkmahan924@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for your courageous comment. I also know some of the cases unheard in Jharkhand HC

On 22 Oct 2014 05:54, Dipak Shah <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> I am fighting one case. Which is going in for 20 years> At High Court level die!! I can not appear as Under Gujarat High Court Rules amended that Committee approves that I am competent to plead as Party In Person. No Advocates ready to accept my case . Where in involvement of bad practices and Senior Advocates of High Court of Gujarat!!!Shah  D J
>
>
> On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 7:11 PM, CMOHAN SHARMA <cmohansharmapkl@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It is rather shameful that a corrupt politician cannot face the facts and judiciary ready to oblige the VIP convicts to come out of the Jail rather than allow her/him to undergo the sentence. All the protests, hue and cry by the paid individuals is an orchestrated drama by which the judiciary is ever ready to get impressed and tear into the interpretation of law. What the LOK PAL will do in such cases when the system has itself been corrupted, Why bail to Jailalita so soon ? God save our country and we do have hope on MODI to cleanse the corruption in the system which has deep rooted in the last 65 years mis- rule. Let us hope for the best.
>>
>>  C M S
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 1:33 AM, Dipak Shah <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If such practice of granting bail and there are many more pending cases , which might have also priority to be heard. Can not be taken up and piling up and piling up many more years to come!!!
>> When I moved up an application of my Civil Suit , Civil Suit  No 3861 of 1194 City Civil Suit At Ahmedabad , for early hearing , I was denied many times and after applied for 60 years as senior citizen then application for early hearing was granted!!! When earlier rejected my application , the reasoning was given that many cases are pending in Court and piling up!!! My case was decided after 14 years , that too after expedition application only. It is also in High Court. Ordinarily one may get justice after he die!!! Of course in side the process adopted by the Respondent is also to be noted which is against Civil Procedure Code!!! If seen and what the process followed is a shameful case in Courts!!! Which can not be expected at least for Justice.
>>
>> Different treatments are given when Lawyers charges , high and hefty is paid!!!What is stand of a common man.
>> No stand out in this race!!!
>> I always stand for common man only.
>> Shah D J
>> C C To Hon. Chief Justice of Supreme Court of India , Hon. Justice Mr. H L Dattu.
>> New Delhi.
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>>
>> On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 11:29 AM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> I do not see any objection to the grant of bail pending appeal provided it is conditional on the appeal being quickly heard and decided.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Dr Nilesh Baxi <drnilesh.baxi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Our SC judges are of 2 types. One type who give super judgements and some proud moments when they give balanced judgements against Establishment and Celebrities e.g. Judgements against Jaylalitha and Sahara's Subroto Roy. On the other hand 2nd type of judges give judgements which are anti-people and give us feeling of depression! e.g. granting of Jaylalitha's bail!
>>>>
>>>> The questions uppermost in our mind are: 1. When will our courts give speedy judgements? and 
>>>>                                                                     2. When will they learn to give balances judgements which are not anti-people?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Nilesh Baxi  98200 85007
>>>> Activist & Environmentalist
>>>> Founder Secretary, SIGNATURE
>>>> Ex-columnist, Bombay Times
>>>> Ex-Member-BMC's Tree Authority
>>>> Treat TREES with Tender Loving Care   
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> To
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>>>>> India Against Corruption
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>>>>>                              CORRUPT  POLITICIAN  HAS THE LAST LAUGH   AND  JUDICIARY  BECOME  LAUGHING  STOCK
>>>>>  
>>>>> While every citizen is convinced that the politicians are the fountain head of corruption in India, sadly the law of the land is unable to catch up with their misdeeds.  The courts in India spend several  years to conduct proceedings and give judgements in the case of  these politicians who adopt ingenious methods to delay the justice . When the judgement is finally delivered  imposing jail terms, the convicted politician  manages to just come out on bail after spending a few days in prison .
>>>>> The well trained gang of sycophants maintained by the corrupt politicians conduct  chorus of orchestered protest when the convicted politician is  in jail, as if the heaven has fallen down. While  the convicted politician  coming  out on bail has no sense of shame,  the sycophants celebrate the event as if the particular politician has  conquered the world. The media gives them the publicity that they badly want and  which they do not  really deserve.
>>>>> These wealthy  politicians convicted on corruption charges get bail in a matter of a few days. However,  thousands of lesser mortals in India languish in jail  for several years unheard of by the judiciary.
>>>>> While the politician coming out on bail has the last laugh , the judiciary is becoming the laughing stock.
>>>>>  
>>>>> N.S.Venkataraman
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