Please enlighten if the committee is a government or private initiative. One hopes the committee will do its SWOT swiftly, as the same has already been done many times over by different other "committees" and expert bodies like the Law Commission and legal luminaries over decades. I mean if a judge gets 30, 40 or even 50 listings per day, there is no way he can deliver efficient and credible justice. The trial court should have no more than 5 or 7 listings per day; the HC 3 to 5, and the SC 1 or 2 for quality of work. Regards, Victor --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Indi Patriot <theindipatriot@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Saturday, March 12, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
Re: [HumJanenge] JAPAN - EXCEPT PRAYING GOD – WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO?
Dear
Just sit down and be quiet,you can do nothing!
By praying what is that you are going to achieve?
Catastrophs happened earlier and are going to happen in the future also and we have to live with it.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
JAPAN
EXCEPT PRAYING GOD – WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO?
Earthquake and Tsunami. A catastrophe.
Now, danger of Atomic radiation.
Let all of us pray that the Nature's fury to cold down.
Pray to God for being kind on humanbeing, its own creature.
--
Thanks & Regards,
S. R. Bekal
Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy
Dear Prasad
When Mr Habibullah was in the service of the nation (allegedly) at the
CIC, he published his mobile number under CIC's section 4 disclosure.
Today as the head of the NCM, he has thrown RTI to the winds, and the
NCM sec 4 RTI disclosure continues to list some "Mohd Shafi Qureshi"
as the Chairperson (with no mobile number).
But just to show our members that Mr Habibullah's unique (and corrupt)
style of functioning continues unchecked, follow this link
[http://ncm.nic.in/pdf/Young%20activists.pdf]
All the usual foreign financed NCPRI-NAPM-CIA-ISI suspects are back
in business at Mr H's new supermarket.
Tut tut and all that...
Sarbajit
On 3/12/11, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
> sir please give me your mobile no i want to talk to you
> prasad vaidya
> latur
> 08149558468
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Mon, 21/2/11, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>
>
> From: wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 10:02 AM
>
>
>
> You are right. It was not
> Wajahat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:12 am
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
>> As per bio-datas of Aruna Roy accessible online, Ms Roy graduated from
>> Indraprastha College for Women (Delhi University) in 1965 in English.
>>
>> Secondly, I don't think that St Stephens was a co-ed college at that point
>> of time.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>
>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:03 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Freinds
>>
>> Can anyone inform me what is religion of member
>> NAC Aruna Roy. Can anyone confirm if she is
>> dalit or Tamil Christian who got into St Stevens
>> college on reservation quota.
>>
>> S D Sharma
>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
There's a Committee looking into Judicial Reforms process.
After a proper SWOT analysisis done on each of the suggestions,the same could be forwarded to the Committee.
Dr Jaiprakash(Hyd) is part of the exercise,referred tp above.
spm
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Indi Patriot <theindipatriot@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear All,According to my opinion , we have a fundamental flaw in the system which is the assumption that we all want CHEAP justice. I for one want SPEEDY justice. The British laid down the laws of justice fr all and therefore court fees etc were kept to a tiny amount. ( I paid Rs. 4500/- last time for a case worth potentially crores.)Now add to this the flawed system wherein a judge is given 40+ cases to dispose. This means that he needs to familiarize himself with 40+ dockets before he arrives at the courtroom. 90% of the time the case is adjourned to another day for some minor technicality etc. This means his study ( if done) is a waste. Next date is a few weeks if not months away. So out of sight out of mind. Next day another 40+ dockets , etc ad infinitum.Now add the fact that the judges get rotated every once in a while and we have a case where a new judge comes in to sit on a case where all he has to go on are sketchy notes. And the mess continues.What should be done are following urgent steps:1) Setup deluxe fast track courts where the judges TRY the cases and don't do menial tasks like checking documents to allow substituted services etc. The case only comes into the court when it is ready to try, till that time registrar does the background work.2) These courts charge massive fees as court charges and that corpus used for things like best infrastructure for judges, astronomical high salaries , etc Make the judges job a prestige one again.3) Judge only has 2 cases on his calendar per day.The list goes on, suffice to say, things need to change and fast.RegardsIndipatriot
From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 1:35 AM
Pl write down your suggestions in a crisp manner.Also apply at your own level feasibility component for implementation and then the crystallised syggestions be given to me to be followed up at the right levels.Pl rest assure any and every good suggestion would find favour in implementation.Should you need to consult some legal hand before finalising the suggestions pl do so unhesitatingly and quickly.Its we the people who need to have to bring about requisite transformation in the governance of OUR COUNTRY.spm919841282324
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 1:35 AM
Pl write down your suggestions in a crisp manner.Also apply at your own level feasibility component for implementation and then the crystallised syggestions be given to me to be followed up at the right levels.Pl rest assure any and every good suggestion would find favour in implementation.Should you need to consult some legal hand before finalising the suggestions pl do so unhesitatingly and quickly.Its we the people who need to have to bring about requisite transformation in the governance of OUR COUNTRY.spm919841282324
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Of late the SC has been unrelenting in matters concerning corruption in high places, be it CVC, CWG, 2G, Khan, police reforms, etc., and is personally supervising and demanding appropriate affirmative action from the executive to bring the errant to book. To witness such assertiveness from the highest judiciary gives a ray of hope to the average citizen, long ravaged by hunger, absence of roof-eduction-medical attention-effective justice-mal/mis administration at the hands of those who are at "service of the nation", the babus, and the well connected.Having said that, one, however, hopes that the H'onble SC will go the whole hog and muster every legal provision available to it to see that the errant fence behaves, and that it gets the message that to eat up the crop would prove to be costly .... certainly several time the acquisition cost.As an example, Mr. Maddof of USA was recently tried and sentenced to imprisonment for 150 years without any chance for payroll. Mr. Maddof only ripped off a few very wealthy, and he was sentenced in jail for life. And he wasnt even the fence. The errant in CWG, 2G, Khan, etc., on the other hand, have stolen from hundreds of millions of the poorest of the poor of the world, many of whose children go to bed hungry at night. Should the errant fence get anything less?This writer is not an advocate. He, however, wishes to share an opinion that should the errant fence be convicted in criminal proceedings that require strict proof of guilt but where the penalties are meager, the H'onble justices should call the errant fence to account for TORTS and impose penal damages that are several times the cost of acquisition.At another level, it would be appropriate if an order that makes it settled law that costs and damages awarded against the rich and powerful, such as the central and state governments, their agents and Public and Private Limited corporates, offer a strong deterrence to wrongdoing. Perhaps, 50,000 for trial courts; 150,000 for HC level; 500,000 for SC, and punitive/restitutionary damages of maybe 5 - 100 times.And, of course, it would be wholesome if the H'onble SC also directed the executive to honour the Law Commission recommendations of many years ago to increase the number of judges many-fold and to provide adequate budget and appropriate infrastructure to the courts to provide speedy and quality justice to the nation.Regards,Victor
[HumJanenge] JAPAN - EXCEPT PRAYING GOD – WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO?
EXCEPT PRAYING GOD – WHAT
Earthquake and Tsunami. A catastrophe.
Now, danger of Atomic radiation.
Let all of us pray that the Nature's fury to cold down.
Pray to God for being kind on humanbeing, its own creature.
Friday, March 11, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
Dear All,
According to my opinion , we have a fundamental flaw in the system which is the assumption that we all want CHEAP justice. I for one want SPEEDY justice. The British laid down the laws of justice fr all and therefore court fees etc were kept to a tiny amount. ( I paid Rs. 4500/- last time for a case worth potentially crores.)
Now add to this the flawed system wherein a judge is given 40+ cases to dispose. This means that he needs to familiarize himself with 40+ dockets before he arrives at the courtroom. 90% of the time the case is adjourned to another day for some minor technicality etc. This means his study ( if done) is a waste. Next date is a few weeks if not months away. So out of sight out of mind. Next day another 40+ dockets , etc ad infinitum.
Now add the fact that the judges get rotated every once in a while and we have a case where a new judge comes in to sit on a case where all he has to go on are sketchy notes. And the mess continues.
What should be done are following urgent steps:
1) Setup deluxe fast track courts where the judges TRY the cases and don't do menial tasks like checking documents to allow substituted services etc. The case only comes into the court when it is ready to try, till that time registrar does the background work.
2) These courts charge massive fees as court charges and that corpus used for things like best infrastructure for judges, astronomical high salaries , etc Make the judges job a prestige one again.
3) Judge only has 2 cases on his calendar per day.
The list goes on, suffice to say, things need to change and fast.
Regards
Indipatriot
From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
The writer is not an advocate. He, however, writes from personal experience of about 15 court battles and horror stories of other litigants and media reports. For a government that is serious, all the suggestions given below would be easily implementable. 1. Some decades ago, the Law Commission had recommended that the number of judges be increased 3-fold for speedy and quality justice delivery system. Today, that figure probably needs to be 5-fold. To increase the number of judges, their retirement age should be increased to 70. Retired judges should be recalled. 2. To handle the short-term issue of shortage of courtrooms and infrastructure, the courts should have two sittings per day, from 8.00 to 12.00 and from 1.00 to 5.00. The rest of the time should be utilised by the judges in writing judgements to speedily clear the backlog of pending cases. 3. All courts should have audio-video recording of proceedings. 4. The Evidence Act should be amended to make it neutral, instead of being strongly in favour of the accused. The Advocates Act should be suitably amended to make members responsible professionals. The Judges Protection Act should be repealed, and instead a committee of 3 retired judges should vet complaints against them. The HCs and SC should have powers to sumarily dismiss errant judges and delete their salaries, benifits. The Single Point Directive should be repealed. The IPC, CrPC and CPC should be suitably amended to bring these in line with the needs of a democracy, to enhance punishments-disgorgements, etc. to give them deterrence value. The concept of costs and compensations allowed by the courts should be made relevant to modern day realities; the costs awarded against government and its agents, Corporates should be exemplary: minimum 1,0 lac for trial courts, 3.0 lac for HC & 7.5 lac for SC. Compensations awarded should be 10 - 100 times the value to adjust for the element of the harrassment the complainant has to undergo to bring prosecution to conclusion (and interest rates allowed by courts should be in line with those charged by banks on credit cards and personal loans. I am sure other members will have a list of many more suggestions. Regards Victor --- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy
sir please give me your mobile no i want to talk to you prasad vaidya latur 08149558468 viadya --- On Mon, 21/2/11, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
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[rti4empowerment] Fw:Infringement and Violation of fundamental Rights by Sri.O.P.Bhatt,Chairman,S.B.I- P.I.L petition FILED IN tHE hON.sUPREME cOURT OF iNDIA
--- On Sat, 12/3/11, murali mohan <muralivmohan@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Recent proceedings in SC suggest strong revival of judicial process
The writer is not an advocate. He, however, writes from personal experience of about 15 court battles and horror stories of other litigants and media reports. For a government that is serious, all the suggestions given below would be easily implementable. 1. Some decades ago, the Law Commission had recommended that the number of judges be increased 3-fold for speedy and quality justice delivery system. Today, that figure probably needs to be 5-fold. To increase the number of judges, their retirement age should be increased to 70. Retired judges should be recalled. 2. To handle the short-term issue of shortage of courtrooms and infrastructure, the courts should have two sittings per day, from 8.00 to 12.00 and from 1.00 to 5.00. The rest of the time should be utilised by the judges in writing judgements to speedily clear the backlog of pending cases. 3. All courts should have audio-video recording of proceedings. 4. The Evidence Act should be amended to make it neutral, instead of being strongly in favour of the accused. The Advocates Act should be suitably amended to make members responsible professionals. The Judges Protection Act should be repealed, and instead a committee of 3 retired judges should vet complaints against them. The HCs and SC should have powers to sumarily dismiss errant judges and delete their salaries, benifits. The Single Point Directive should be repealed. The IPC, CrPC and CPC should be suitably amended to bring these in line with the needs of a democracy, to enhance punishments-disgorgements, etc. to give them deterrence value. The concept of costs and compensations allowed by the courts should be made relevant to modern day realities; the costs awarded against government and its agents, Corporates should be exemplary: minimum 1,0 lac for trial courts, 3.0 lac for HC & 7.5 lac for SC. Compensations awarded should be 10 - 100 times the value to adjust for the element of the harrassment the complainant has to undergo to bring prosecution to conclusion (and interest rates allowed by courts should be in line with those charged by banks on credit cards and personal loans. I am sure other members will have a list of many more suggestions. Regards Victor --- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abductionoftheCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
Yes, Russian, chinese +American have in fact been affected- also. Yes, their reactions were different to ours.
Yes, our Navy+Coast Guard have also adopted aggressive steps /action against some Pirates closer to our Intnl waters. A few pirate skiffs were blown up.
Its the Somalian Govt tht is non existent-not Ethiopian.
When we can't even bomb to flush out our internal terrorists, why talk of bombing out Pirate captured ships, that will have a lot of collateral damage
Have no comments/views on rest of ur mail contents
Pramod Bhandari
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From: Akhil Marfatia <marfatiaakhil@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:39:57 +0530 (IST)
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Pramod Bhandari<pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction oftheCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
a. your point of working as sailors anywhere, any condition is understood.
b. if no ethopian govt, so much the better. there jis no govt in charge of these ships, the ships have no flags and no country and are the legitimate prey of anyone they try to hurt
just capture and bomb two or three of the pirates ships, 5 eyes for one eye, that is the language pirates understand, country will be respected , indians will not be seen as gutless speech makers
c. if israeli sailors / citizens were taken any where in the world, any conditon, they would have been rescued within four days after warning them that israeli navy will bomb out all the pirate ships
ever wondered why these pirates dont touch any chinese or russian or american ship,
d. if we are so impotent that with billion dollar ships we cant down pirate ships why have a navy, why not change the battle ships to cruise ships since they are not menat to protect indians, that way all builders will rush into the infamous " BOT" concept, buy, operate and take money to switzerland
these builders will organise the presidential picnics every year called review of the fleet, and charge one lakh a ticket and eveyrone who can afford will enjoy it.
our finance deficit will go down,
From: Pramod Bhandari <pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
b. if no ethopian govt, so much the better. there jis no govt in charge of these ships, the ships have no flags and no country and are the legitimate prey of anyone they try to hurt
just capture and bomb two or three of the pirates ships, 5 eyes for one eye, that is the language pirates understand, country will be respected , indians will not be seen as gutless speech makers
c. if israeli sailors / citizens were taken any where in the world, any conditon, they would have been rescued within four days after warning them that israeli navy will bomb out all the pirate ships
ever wondered why these pirates dont touch any chinese or russian or american ship,
d. if we are so impotent that with billion dollar ships we cant down pirate ships why have a navy, why not change the battle ships to cruise ships since they are not menat to protect indians, that way all builders will rush into the infamous " BOT" concept, buy, operate and take money to switzerland
these builders will organise the presidential picnics every year called review of the fleet, and charge one lakh a ticket and eveyrone who can afford will enjoy it.
our finance deficit will go down,
From: Pramod Bhandari <pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
To: Rti group <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:03:16 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
I would tend to go with Pradip's view - that by caving in to Maoists demand, the Orissa ovt and Central Govt have shown that they are weak, spineless and no better than the spineless Govt of V.P.Singh which caved in to release terrorists in Rubina Sayyed's case (her father was then Union Home Minister) who went on to kill Rupen Katiyar at Kandahar hijack.
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:03:16 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:20:56 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector,Malakangiri, Orissa
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector, Malakangiri, Orissa
To: "social-watch-group" <social-watch-group@googlegroups.com>, "odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan" <odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan@googlegroups.com>, "national-rti-forum" <national-rti-forum@googlegroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 1:51 PM
Dear all,
By praying before the Maoists to release the abducted Collector and JE, we implicitly accord a sovereign status to the Maoist outfit- the very status exclusively reserved for the political State. As students of political science we know that
[rti4empowerment] RE: [HumJanenge] query on co operative housing society matter
DEAR MR. VIKRAM SIMHA,
i SHALL BE GRATEFUL FOR THE CITATIONS ON THIS ISSUE WHETHER REGISTRAR (OFFICE) IN ANY STATE HAS NO MONITORING AND SUPERVISING POWERS UNDER THE
Cooperative Group Housing SocietIes Act. What for the Act was passed by the Legislative Assembly of that State?
2. DELHI GOVT. MADE THIS ACT ALL INDIA ACT FOR NINE YEARS ON THE BASIS OF A LOCAL CIRCULAR OF ONE CORRUPT RCS.
3. PRESIDENT OF THE CGHS FEDERATION WHO IS LIFE-LONG PRESIDENT OF A Society is freely quoted that the complaint made by the applicant has no truth. So
I allow all the members who filed wrong affidavits to keep their flats in the Society. Such non-speaking orders are issued in Delhi.
Please do supply me some positive citations of High Courts and of the Suprem Court of India.
With best wishes and regards,
Hari Goyal
11.03.2011
P.s. If 54 is the age, i am more than 20 years elder to you and will continue seeking your guidance in this fight. Thanksm once again.
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:07:48 +0530
From: vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: [HumJanenge] query on co operative housing society matter
To: haridgoyal@hotmail.com
CC: bharatgandhi6@gmail.com; rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in; apseri@yahoo.com
i SHALL BE GRATEFUL FOR THE CITATIONS ON THIS ISSUE WHETHER REGISTRAR (OFFICE) IN ANY STATE HAS NO MONITORING AND SUPERVISING POWERS UNDER THE
Cooperative Group Housing SocietIes Act. What for the Act was passed by the Legislative Assembly of that State?
2. DELHI GOVT. MADE THIS ACT ALL INDIA ACT FOR NINE YEARS ON THE BASIS OF A LOCAL CIRCULAR OF ONE CORRUPT RCS.
3. PRESIDENT OF THE CGHS FEDERATION WHO IS LIFE-LONG PRESIDENT OF A Society is freely quoted that the complaint made by the applicant has no truth. So
I allow all the members who filed wrong affidavits to keep their flats in the Society. Such non-speaking orders are issued in Delhi.
Please do supply me some positive citations of High Courts and of the Suprem Court of India.
With best wishes and regards,
Hari Goyal
11.03.2011
P.s. If 54 is the age, i am more than 20 years elder to you and will continue seeking your guidance in this fight. Thanksm once again.
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:07:48 +0530
From: vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: [HumJanenge] query on co operative housing society matter
To: haridgoyal@hotmail.com
CC: bharatgandhi6@gmail.com; rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in; apseri@yahoo.com
| Please Find My reply In the matter and How different high courts have treated the matter . i can provide you the Citations if you need them N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota & trustee RTI STUDY Center , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Wed, 9/3/11, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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RE: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
Mr. Pramod and Mr. Sarbjit Roy,
Crticism is no solution. RTI activists should no follow Sonia GANDHI WHO INDULGED IN BLAME GAME FOR PROTECTING LOOTER IN CONGRESS and DMK.
Nation or the Common Man did not get anyhting except some statements. No looter or Corrupt will be punished in the years to come. Corrupt in Delhi Govt.
are very happy that Sheila Dixit's blessings are with them.Till both the LADIES ARE THERE, NO CORRUPT WILL LOSE HIS SOUND SLEEP OVER THESE
TRIVIAL MATTERS. wHEN THE FENCE IS DESTROYING THE GARDEN, WHO WILL COME TO Save the garden.
God bless you and all well wishers.
Hari Goyal
11.03.2011
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
From: pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:33:16 +0000
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
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I would tend to go with Pradip's view - that by caving in to Maoists demand, the Orissa ovt and Central Govt have shown that they are weak, spineless and no better than the spineless Govt of V.P.Singh which caved in to release terrorists in Rubina Sayyed's case (her father was then Union Home Minister) who went on to kill Rupen Katiyar at Kandahar hijack.
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
Crticism is no solution. RTI activists should no follow Sonia GANDHI WHO INDULGED IN BLAME GAME FOR PROTECTING LOOTER IN CONGRESS and DMK.
Nation or the Common Man did not get anyhting except some statements. No looter or Corrupt will be punished in the years to come. Corrupt in Delhi Govt.
are very happy that Sheila Dixit's blessings are with them.Till both the LADIES ARE THERE, NO CORRUPT WILL LOSE HIS SOUND SLEEP OVER THESE
TRIVIAL MATTERS. wHEN THE FENCE IS DESTROYING THE GARDEN, WHO WILL COME TO Save the garden.
God bless you and all well wishers.
Hari Goyal
11.03.2011
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
From: pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:33:16 +0000
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:20:56 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector,Malakangiri, Orissa
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector, Malakangiri, Orissa
To: "social-watch-group" <social-watch-group@googlegroups.com>, "odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan" <odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan@googlegroups.com>, "national-rti-forum" <national-rti-forum@googlegroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 1:51 PM
Dear all,
By praying before the Maoists to release the abducted Collector and JE, we implicitly accord a sovereign status to the Maoist outfit- the very status exclusively reserved for the political State. As students of political science we know that
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