[IAC#RG] AAP: "A team" of Congress & "B team" of BJP

To IAC,

The final results of the 4 major States which went to polls last month should not lead to any complacency. It is very clear that as usual citizens are voting on local (not national) issues.

Famous national level leaders have not made much difference except to "paper over" squabbling in local units and keep the committed vote together.

The results from Delhi show clearly that BJP in particular stands exposed when it comes down to a 3 cornered fight and is unable to find support in educated Indians below 35 years, Dalits, OBCs and Muslims.

I am sure that Congress Party managers (who have been thrammed everywhere) will be scrambling to ensure strong 3 cornered fights in 2014 wherever BJP is strong. States like UP, West Bengal, TN, Orissa, Bihar, Maharashtra etc are going to play decisive roles in 2014 as the Congress vote will be gobbled up by local parties, unless Congress adapts dramatically.

BJP's "B" Team has done its job very well with quite a bit of help from the "Young Turks" inside the Grand Old Party :-) and Anna should now only focus on recovering his health at Ralegan Siddhi and not exert himself.

Sarbajit

RE:[IAC#RG]

Gradually it is now becoming clear what IAC and this platform stands for.
It is not only Anna Hazare and A. Kejriwal Who were part of the movement at one time,stand discredited and abused but every other politicician and  political party, judiciary. In fact the whole system of existing governace.
Considering that they take inspiration from HRA ideology which was revolutionary, it is safe to say it is the guiding spirit. It is for this reason that Gandhiji,s non violent agitations or J.P.s total revolution through peaceful methods
is irrelevant .
Since Anna was insisting on Gandhian type agitation under the IAC banner and not the revolutionary type, he ceased to be of any relevance in the future plans of the group and Sh. S. Roy was reinducted to throw out Anna and AK and he has successfully done it. We now watch with interest how they fight corruption and other ills in governace and society.
JKGaur 

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:54:21 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
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Subject: Re:[IAC#RG]

Dear Girender

We are not in the least concerned about Anna Hazare and/or his supposed depressions.

As far as WHAT IAC is going to do and WHEN we shall do it, it is very much in the public domain. HOW we are going to do it is not. Anna Hazare has no role to play in our plans whatsoever. I would advise you to read IAC's Manifesto and Charter carefully and see if it is agreeable to you.

NB: When ordinary people in a crisis are offered a "soft choice" and a "hard" one, 90% of them will take the easy way out.

IAC is now for the hard core cases. In other words IAC is for the next generation of "sikhyas".

Sarbajit

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

Self vesting powers of an idealism and honesty lies on this platform too. Everybody is happy to hear the praiseworthy texts for each other. Nothing will be the outcome. Anna has gone in deep depression since a year or so without having any strength in himself nor he relies on anybody else except himself! 

carry on the things in a darkroom where only your praiseworthy persons are passing their retired period around you! you are lord here on this platform and what will be the outcome of this platform only god knows. 

regards

GS

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Re: [IAC#RG] Real Leaders or fake Gandhis ?

Dear Kiran

That history is a small part of Bipan Chandra's history"India's Struggle for Independence"  (PDF - 4 Mb), (which of course must be read keeping the author's ideological leanings / wanderings firmly in mind)

Sarbajit

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, kiran shaheen <kiranshaheen@gmail.com> wrote:

Amazing.

On 3 December 2013 12:21, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC subscribers

After polling has concluded in 3 states, Delhi (the National Capital of India) goes to the polls tomorrow. Tomorrow will see an epic battle which has taken 4 years of planning by Congress Party tacticians to ensure that Ms. Sonia Gandhi gets a perfect birthday gift on 9.Dec.2013 to add to her (so secret that Indians are not to know about them) riches which outshine even those of the Queen of England

IAC and HRA humbly invites each and every person who reads this email to go out and vote. It is completely immaterial to us who you vote for - because all the alternatives on the ballot are equally bad and are ''status-quo" options. Each and every one of the parties seeking your vote for Delhi are massively foreign financed by foreign State funding to ensure that India forever remains a client state for arms, oil and other technologies.

HRA wants you to realise, if you haven't already, that voting is a sheer waste of time because there are hardly any honest and patriotic people left in politics. Even if there were, they get corrupted very fast. You cannot be a saint in a brothel. Be warned that this time the RED NOTA BUTTON is a fraud designed to make you waste your vote so that the foreigners can keep ruling us.

As even your 1 vote is important for India, please do me 1 small favour and read a brief history of the real Indian Independence movement which is linked. Suneeti Chaudhury, mentioned in the last para,  who shot the District Magistrate in Commilla in 1931 is a great-grand-aunt of mine, and it is their heritage which we honor when we vote to take back our respect, our adult franchise, and our country. 

I would like to end with an extract from this history which should remind us in Delhi that those who don't learn from history are forever doomed to repeat it.

"Soon after, the National Congress launched the non-cooperation movement and on the urging of Gandhiji, C.R. Das and the other leaders most of the revolutionaries either joined the movement or suspended their own activities. But the sudden suspension of the non-cooperation movement left them disillusioned. They were not attracted by the parliamentary politics of the swarajists. Many were drawn to the idea that violent methods alone could free India.

Thus it is not accidental that nearly all the major new leaders of the revolutionary terrorist politics, for example, Jogesh Chandra Chatterjea, Surya Sen, Jatin Das, Chandrashekhar Azad, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Shiv Verma, Bhagwati Charan Vohra and Jaidev Kapur, had been enthusiastic participants of the non-cooperation movement. Gradually two separate strands of revolutionary terrorism developed - one in Punjab, U.P. and Bihar and other in Bengal.

The revolutionaries in northern India were the first to emerge out of the mood of frustration and reorganize under the leadership of the old veterans, Ramprasad Bismil, Jogesh Chatterjea and Sachindranath Sanyal whose Bandi Jiwani served as a textbook to the revolutionary movement. They met in Kanpur in October 1924 and founded the Hindustan Republican Association (or Army) to organize armed revolution to overthrow colonial rule and establish in its place a Federal Republic of the United States of India whose basic principle would be adult franchise."

Sarbajit

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I carry a torch in one hand
And a bucket of water in the other:
With these things I am going to set fire to Heaven
And put out the flames of Hell
So that voyagers to God can rip the veils
And see the real goal.......
Rabia (Rabi'a Al-'Adawiyya)

Re:[IAC#RG]

Dear Girender

We are not in the least concerned about Anna Hazare and/or his supposed depressions.

As far as WHAT IAC is going to do and WHEN we shall do it, it is very much in the public domain. HOW we are going to do it is not. Anna Hazare has no role to play in our plans whatsoever. I would advise you to read IAC's Manifesto and Charter carefully and see if it is agreeable to you.

NB: When ordinary people in a crisis are offered a "soft choice" and a "hard" one, 90% of them will take the easy way out.

IAC is now for the hard core cases. In other words IAC is for the next generation of "sikhyas".

Sarbajit

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

Self vesting powers of an idealism and honesty lies on this platform too. Everybody is happy to hear the praiseworthy texts for each other. Nothing will be the outcome. Anna has gone in deep depression since a year or so without having any strength in himself nor he relies on anybody else except himself! 

carry on the things in a darkroom where only your praiseworthy persons are passing their retired period around you! you are lord here on this platform and what will be the outcome of this platform only god knows. 

regards

GS

Re:[IAC#RG]

Dear Sir,

Self vesting powers of an idealism and honesty lies on this platform too. Everybody is happy to hear the praiseworthy texts for each other. Nothing will be the outcome. Anna has gone in deep depression since a year or so without having any strength in himself nor he relies on anybody else except himself! 

carry on the things in a darkroom where only your praiseworthy persons are passing their retired period around you! you are lord here on this platform and what will be the outcome of this platform only god knows. 

regards

GS

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:21 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Kalyanam

> Please tell me honestly, how many IAC  Members will come forward to
>  organise such a 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN" ?

You have got your answer. All these things belong to the OLD and
discredited IAC of TeamAnna.  99.999% of so-called anti-corruption
people/bodies who organise such foolishness are deeply corrupt
themselves.

Let us take the case of 1 website - "www.ipaidabribe.com". Its an
initiative by Janagraha from Bangalore. But, If you examine them
closely, it turns out that Janagraha is a micro-finance company and is
into notes for votes. In fact as a reward for helping Congress to
sweep Karnataka, their founder was even rewarded with a seat on RBI's
Board for financial inclusion - in other words giving him a licence to
write their own rules and regulations.
AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE
http://www.moneylife.in/article/does-the-rbi-know-how-much-conflicts-of-interest-it-has-created/34760.html

Please understand clearly that these financiers are everywhere in the
social space, operating behind fronts, owning newspapers, magazines
(Tehelka), TV channels, schools and creating votebanks of the poorest
and most desperate people. And their biggest tool today is AADHAAR or
UID - a CIA sponsored tool to enslave Indians with the most
anti-national American people like Nandan Nilekani (who appointed him
and how was he appointed ?) to oversee this new slavery.

By ensuring FAKE AADHAARS over 2 million dummy voters were created in
Karnataka to ensure a Congress win there. Nilekani (who with Infosys
and Narayanmurthi) has financed haramis like Kejriwal for years on
end, is doing the same in Delhi (reportedly 3 million fake Aadhaars)
to ensure a AAP win - because a desperate Congress knows that the only
way to stop Modi in 2014 is to scale up AAP nationwide.

So, all these petty things like not paying bribes are a non-issue for
IAC. We now focus on the real corrupt things like FAKE DEMOCRACY -
where voters are bogus, candidates are goons, EVMs are rigged and so
is the judiciary to allow it.

Sarbajit

On 12/1/13, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Respected Sri Santmathur Sir,
>
> I agree with you.  Let us all work together to root out corruption in the
> country.  To start with Indiaresists Members should stop getting their job
> done by shortcut methods by giving Bribe and taking Bribe.  In each
> area/locality IAC Forum should be formed and take a decision not to give
>  bribe and take bribe to get their job done in Police Stations,  Municipal
> Corporation, Panchayats, Metro Water & Sewage Board, Electricity Board,
> Sales Tax, Income Tax, Check Posts, Central Excise and Custom, Cinema
> Theatres, Rail Travels, Gas connections and refill supplies, Telephones,
> Pass Port offices, etc., etc.    Normally, corruption starts only when we
> want to circumvent the Rule of Law and get the job done by paying bribe.  If
> all the IAC Members start to practice 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN", in the Official
> as well as Personal works, atleast lower level corruption to some extent can
> be stopped.  Of-course, in the process, we will face some problem in not
>  getting our job done within a reasonable time.  But, we should be prepared
> to put up with the delay for a cause.
>
> Please tell me honestly, how many IAC  Members will come forward to
>  organise such a 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN" ?
>
> With Best Regards,
> A.S.KALYANAM

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Re: [IAC#RG] Real Leaders or fake Gandhis ?

Amazing.

On 3 December 2013 12:21, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC subscribers

After polling has concluded in 3 states, Delhi (the National Capital of India) goes to the polls tomorrow. Tomorrow will see an epic battle which has taken 4 years of planning by Congress Party tacticians to ensure that Ms. Sonia Gandhi gets a perfect birthday gift on 9.Dec.2013 to add to her (so secret that Indians are not to know about them) riches which outshine even those of the Queen of England

IAC and HRA humbly invites each and every person who reads this email to go out and vote. It is completely immaterial to us who you vote for - because all the alternatives on the ballot are equally bad and are ''status-quo" options. Each and every one of the parties seeking your vote for Delhi are massively foreign financed by foreign State funding to ensure that India forever remains a client state for arms, oil and other technologies.

HRA wants you to realise, if you haven't already, that voting is a sheer waste of time because there are hardly any honest and patriotic people left in politics. Even if there were, they get corrupted very fast. You cannot be a saint in a brothel. Be warned that this time the RED NOTA BUTTON is a fraud designed to make you waste your vote so that the foreigners can keep ruling us.

As even your 1 vote is important for India, please do me 1 small favour and read a brief history of the real Indian Independence movement which is linked. Suneeti Chaudhury, mentioned in the last para,  who shot the District Magistrate in Commilla in 1931 is a great-grand-aunt of mine, and it is their heritage which we honor when we vote to take back our respect, our adult franchise, and our country. 

I would like to end with an extract from this history which should remind us in Delhi that those who don't learn from history are forever doomed to repeat it.

"Soon after, the National Congress launched the non-cooperation movement and on the urging of Gandhiji, C.R. Das and the other leaders most of the revolutionaries either joined the movement or suspended their own activities. But the sudden suspension of the non-cooperation movement left them disillusioned. They were not attracted by the parliamentary politics of the swarajists. Many were drawn to the idea that violent methods alone could free India.

Thus it is not accidental that nearly all the major new leaders of the revolutionary terrorist politics, for example, Jogesh Chandra Chatterjea, Surya Sen, Jatin Das, Chandrashekhar Azad, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Shiv Verma, Bhagwati Charan Vohra and Jaidev Kapur, had been enthusiastic participants of the non-cooperation movement. Gradually two separate strands of revolutionary terrorism developed - one in Punjab, U.P. and Bihar and other in Bengal.

The revolutionaries in northern India were the first to emerge out of the mood of frustration and reorganize under the leadership of the old veterans, Ramprasad Bismil, Jogesh Chatterjea and Sachindranath Sanyal whose Bandi Jiwani served as a textbook to the revolutionary movement. They met in Kanpur in October 1924 and founded the Hindustan Republican Association (or Army) to organize armed revolution to overthrow colonial rule and establish in its place a Federal Republic of the United States of India whose basic principle would be adult franchise."

Sarbajit

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With these things I am going to set fire to Heaven
And put out the flames of Hell
So that voyagers to God can rip the veils
And see the real goal.......
Rabia (Rabi'a Al-'Adawiyya)

 

 

[IAC#RG] Real Leaders or fake Gandhis ?

Dear IAC subscribers

After polling has concluded in 3 states, Delhi (the National Capital of India) goes to the polls tomorrow. Tomorrow will see an epic battle which has taken 4 years of planning by Congress Party tacticians to ensure that Ms. Sonia Gandhi gets a perfect birthday gift on 9.Dec.2013 to add to her (so secret that Indians are not to know about them) riches which outshine even those of the Queen of England

IAC and HRA humbly invites each and every person who reads this email to go out and vote. It is completely immaterial to us who you vote for - because all the alternatives on the ballot are equally bad and are ''status-quo" options. Each and every one of the parties seeking your vote for Delhi are massively foreign financed by foreign State funding to ensure that India forever remains a client state for arms, oil and other technologies.

HRA wants you to realise, if you haven't already, that voting is a sheer waste of time because there are hardly any honest and patriotic people left in politics. Even if there were, they get corrupted very fast. You cannot be a saint in a brothel. Be warned that this time the RED NOTA BUTTON is a fraud designed to make you waste your vote so that the foreigners can keep ruling us.

As even your 1 vote is important for India, please do me 1 small favour and read a brief history of the real Indian Independence movement which is linked. Suneeti Chaudhury, mentioned in the last para,  who shot the District Magistrate in Commilla in 1931 is a great-grand-aunt of mine, and it is their heritage which we honor when we vote to take back our respect, our adult franchise, and our country. 

I would like to end with an extract from this history which should remind us in Delhi that those who don't learn from history are forever doomed to repeat it.

"Soon after, the National Congress launched the non-cooperation movement and on the urging of Gandhiji, C.R. Das and the other leaders most of the revolutionaries either joined the movement or suspended their own activities. But the sudden suspension of the non-cooperation movement left them disillusioned. They were not attracted by the parliamentary politics of the swarajists. Many were drawn to the idea that violent methods alone could free India.

Thus it is not accidental that nearly all the major new leaders of the revolutionary terrorist politics, for example, Jogesh Chandra Chatterjea, Surya Sen, Jatin Das, Chandrashekhar Azad, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Shiv Verma, Bhagwati Charan Vohra and Jaidev Kapur, had been enthusiastic participants of the non-cooperation movement. Gradually two separate strands of revolutionary terrorism developed - one in Punjab, U.P. and Bihar and other in Bengal.

The revolutionaries in northern India were the first to emerge out of the mood of frustration and reorganize under the leadership of the old veterans, Ramprasad Bismil, Jogesh Chatterjea and Sachindranath Sanyal whose Bandi Jiwani served as a textbook to the revolutionary movement. They met in Kanpur in October 1924 and founded the Hindustan Republican Association (or Army) to organize armed revolution to overthrow colonial rule and establish in its place a Federal Republic of the United States of India whose basic principle would be adult franchise."

Sarbajit

Re:[IAC#RG]

Dear Mr. Kalyanam

> Please tell me honestly, how many IAC Members will come forward to
> organise such a 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN" ?

You have got your answer. All these things belong to the OLD and
discredited IAC of TeamAnna. 99.999% of so-called anti-corruption
people/bodies who organise such foolishness are deeply corrupt
themselves.

Let us take the case of 1 website - "www.ipaidabribe.com". Its an
initiative by Janagraha from Bangalore. But, If you examine them
closely, it turns out that Janagraha is a micro-finance company and is
into notes for votes. In fact as a reward for helping Congress to
sweep Karnataka, their founder was even rewarded with a seat on RBI's
Board for financial inclusion - in other words giving him a licence to
write their own rules and regulations.
AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE
http://www.moneylife.in/article/does-the-rbi-know-how-much-conflicts-of-interest-it-has-created/34760.html

Please understand clearly that these financiers are everywhere in the
social space, operating behind fronts, owning newspapers, magazines
(Tehelka), TV channels, schools and creating votebanks of the poorest
and most desperate people. And their biggest tool today is AADHAAR or
UID - a CIA sponsored tool to enslave Indians with the most
anti-national American people like Nandan Nilekani (who appointed him
and how was he appointed ?) to oversee this new slavery.

By ensuring FAKE AADHAARS over 2 million dummy voters were created in
Karnataka to ensure a Congress win there. Nilekani (who with Infosys
and Narayanmurthi) has financed haramis like Kejriwal for years on
end, is doing the same in Delhi (reportedly 3 million fake Aadhaars)
to ensure a AAP win - because a desperate Congress knows that the only
way to stop Modi in 2014 is to scale up AAP nationwide.

So, all these petty things like not paying bribes are a non-issue for
IAC. We now focus on the real corrupt things like FAKE DEMOCRACY -
where voters are bogus, candidates are goons, EVMs are rigged and so
is the judiciary to allow it.

Sarbajit

On 12/1/13, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Respected Sri Santmathur Sir,
>
> I agree with you. Let us all work together to root out corruption in the
> country. To start with Indiaresists Members should stop getting their job
> done by shortcut methods by giving Bribe and taking Bribe. In each
> area/locality IAC Forum should be formed and take a decision not to give
> bribe and take bribe to get their job done in Police Stations, Municipal
> Corporation, Panchayats, Metro Water & Sewage Board, Electricity Board,
> Sales Tax, Income Tax, Check Posts, Central Excise and Custom, Cinema
> Theatres, Rail Travels, Gas connections and refill supplies, Telephones,
> Pass Port offices, etc., etc. Normally, corruption starts only when we
> want to circumvent the Rule of Law and get the job done by paying bribe. If
> all the IAC Members start to practice 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN", in the Official
> as well as Personal works, atleast lower level corruption to some extent can
> be stopped. Of-course, in the process, we will face some problem in not
> getting our job done within a reasonable time. But, we should be prepared
> to put up with the delay for a cause.
>
> Please tell me honestly, how many IAC Members will come forward to
> organise such a 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN" ?
>
> With Best Regards,
> A.S.KALYANAM

Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP

Surprisingly inspite of frequent humble requests,my voice of sanity has not been heeded to,and wasteful debates,on irrelevant/trivial issues continue unabated. Any short/long term gain? No,just none. Why turn an intelligent forum into a chat room? Pl support this request whole-heartedly. SP Mathur
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Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP

If one has to learn from history, it can be found that intellectuals can never be leaders.

Only a mediocre like Gandhi, or a Hitler can be leaders to confuse people and gain popularity.

99.9999 % of the so called leaders presently in politics or other so called anti political groups are cheats.

Just wait till they crushed under their own mountain of follies. Then some one will come up!!

Mohan

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ashok.bajpai <ashok.bajpai@moserbaer.in> wrote:

Dear All,

 

While Sarbjeet may be correctly claiming his ownership, on the IAC movement, by virtue of historical facts and we must acknowledge this. However, I would suggest him to also accept the ground reality that IAC caught up big momentum, only with Anna & team spearheading the movement, followed with Arvind, Kiran and the General VK etc. Everyone is an important link of this chain formed by the IAC ideology. When the movement succeeds, the time shall give due recognition to all who contributed to it.

 

Corrupt politicians and administrators are putting their best efforts to break this chain. Let us not allow the corrupt to be successful by using different sets of IAC activists, for the witch-hunting and cross alleging among the different IAC movement teams.

 

We can reach a point of understanding with the thought that the organizations are built and sustained by its heritage and not by personalities. Tomorrow we shall have someone else taking over Sarbajit, Anna and Arvind with a bigger appeal and reasons. I appeal to all IAC ideology people to join up for the common cause of eradicating the nose deep corruption from India, please.

 

Warm regards

 

Capt. Ashok Bajpai

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Dear Mr. Sarabjeet,

Thanks for your reply regarding IAC, for IAC and on behalf of IAC.

There is no doubt at all that you peoples are the genius guys and working for the welfare of common peoples of India and also patriotic citizens! 

Would you be agree that --

-- The IAC came in the notice of peoples when 2010 andolan was organized at large scale in Delhi.

-- The supporters and volunteers themselves join the hand with IAC.

-- When IAC get the support of the volunteers and citizens it become much known to Indian peoples as well as to the foreigners.

-- IAC become famous at towns & village level throughout India and abroad too.

-- IAC was a non-political move in starting but when there was no outcome from dharna's then IAC openly went against Congress.

-- What IAC get acknowledgements from people was the same IAC and everybody (including Arvind Kejriwal) was the part of IAC.

-- It was a common decision after there was not outcome of a long fight and dharnas till 2012 (all common) to give it a political name (at the time of declaration Anna and Gen. Singh was with Arvind).

-- The formation of a political party was not a decision of Arvind only but of Anna too (in the instance that he will be a neutral).

-- Now, How IAC could go in the hands of few peoples (although we don't have any objections) and where is that IAC about which I talked point to point above.

Would you please satisfy me that is this the same IAC (if yes) then without Anna... and if (with Anna) then why it goes so slow and uniffective in the absence of Arvind & Party?

The question is not that I should quit (as volunteer) from IAC or not? The question is that what has been the aim of IAC in further course of action.

regards

Girendra Singh, New Delhi

 

 

 

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:21 AM, Suneel Prasad <suneelskp@yahoo.com> wrote:

Can some one confirm that this really is the actual IAC group, that was the flag bearer of the IAC Movement till the formation of AAP.

 

Or is it just a front of some vested intrests, trying to sabotage the IAC Sprit through some legal nuance about use IAC name by some now defunct organisation (in some now irrelevant historical context)

 

 

Regards

Suneel Prasad

 

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP

 

Dear Kishor

As I have emailed you, I shall certainly clarify all these aspects but after the Delhi elections.

 

While I do not dispute your facts, you (and lakhs of other Indians who like me genuinely want a better clean India) are not aware of the happenings much much BEFORE August 2010 which led up to (and enabled) the anti-CWG anti-corruption campaign

 

I don't think you (by "you" I mean 99.999% of India) are at all aware of the solid groundwork which was put into fighting the legal cases to enable data and accounts of CWG to be ontained in RTI (over 700 hundred RTIs were filed by us) before August 2010.

I don't think you are aware of the 'dhoka' which was played on us,and on SD Sharma, and on Shivendra Chauhan and so many others by foreign financed traitors like Arvind and Kiran Bedi etc. who ensured that the corrupt elements in Congress and BJP involved in CWG got clean away with the money.

Finally the name India Against Corruption was being used well before 18.10.2010 when Arvind is said to have dreamed it up. Use google and see for yourself.

 

NB: The core committee had taken a decision very soon after we took over that IAC will not have any Facebook page, as it is impossible to verify the identity of people and poses a security threat to our activists and their lives. FB accounts are also easily manipulated by Facebook as Shivendra Chauhan found out to his horror when Arvind swallowed his page. So, IAC is only on RISEUP and we are not bothered about Facebook. Only national newspapers or PTI etc. get legal notices / rejoinders from us for misrepresenting IAC.

Sarbajit

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbjit Ji,
I am still waiting for the answer that who were they, who decides that you will be the national convenor .. As littile i know is that on August 10,2010 Shivendra Singh chouhan wrote a blog and appeal people to start a Kali patti compaign against corruption in commonwealth game.. This is the link of that article.. कॉमनवेल्थ में काली पट्टी  and he started a facebook page with the name Commonwealth jhel, which is still there.. and when the games over, he made another facebook page to fight against corruption, which was known as India Against Corruption on date Oct 18, 2010 and also wrote article about that in november here is the link..कोशिश तो करें - खत्म होगा करप्शन

 Mr. Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi and other also started working with it..Anna ji, Baba Ramdev Ji, Dr. Subramanian Swamy ji were also shared stage at Ramlila Maidan..

 Later there is a rift between Kejriwal ji and other people because of egoistic nature of him... kejriwal ji started a Party and all others felt not to join party because they wanted to be apolitical.. Now i just want to know that what is the status of India Against Corruption and How you are here with this name.. also want to know who is managing Facebook page of India Against Corruption..?? I think its the same people with shivendra singh chouhan ji who were managing the FB page in initial days..

regards..

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

The present IAC was given its name in 1973 when the old body was renamed.

Oct 18.2010 was the notional date of a call given by Sri Sri, Vincent Concessao, Mahmood Madani and others to oppose the Govt's LokPal Bill. All these Congress people only did it for the paid media once the CWG Games were over on 14th Oct. So don't you dare refer to this date with us.

 

The name you ask for has been openly disclosed by me as far back as Nov 2012.
http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2012/11/hum-re-indiaagainstcorruption-iac.html

http://humjanege.blogspot.in/2012/11/hum-re-indiaagainstcorruption-iac.html

There is only one IAC (a component part of HRA) and HRA allowed IAC's banner and platform to be used for 2011-12 anti-CWG andolan but which was hijacked by haramis for JanLokPal Bill fraud to fool the public of India.

 

I don't know about Shivendra Singh Chauhan - never met him or spoke to him - somebody told me yesterday that he has joined BJP along with Mahesh Giri etc. so good luck to them.

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbjit Ji,

As you said "I had withdrawn in Aug 2010 after disagreeing  with certain decisions to induct known rogues into the 'andolan'  coupled with a refusal to handover core documents unearthed about CWG  scams to these rascals."

I think India Against Corruption name was given in October 18, 2010. So that time India Against Corruption was no where. ( I am not saying about the Old India Against Corruption which exist even before independence)

At that time this movement was on the facebook with the name "Commonwealth Jhel" and was administrating by Shivendra Singh Chouhan..

and may i know who called you to take over as National Convenor.(acting) till  26.11.2012 when Aam Aadmi Party (name not frozen) would be constituted?

I know that an organization with the same name "India Against Corruption" exist even before independence, but this movement has nothing to do with it. It was started by a facebook page by Shivendra Singh Chouhan. earlier it was named as "Commonwealth Jhel" and later after commonwealth game it was named as "India Against Corruption"

Kindly Enlighten me about ur views on it.

regards.

 

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Barthwal

You have asked a valid question, which has been replied many times
before but nonetheless shall be replied again, even if it bores,
irritates and confuses everybody else.

I was recalled to IAC by the lawful owners of the IAC title/banner on
17.Oct.2012. Previously I had withdrawn in Aug 2010 after disagreeing
with certain decisions to induct known rogues into the 'andolan'
coupled with a refusal to handover core documents unearthed about CWG
scams to these rascals.

On 26th Oct 2012 at 2:18 AM I was informed that I would be immediately
taking over as National Convenor.(acting) till  26.11.2012 when Aam
Aadmi Party (name not frozen) would be constituted.

The persons who recalled me are great patriots with ancient secular
revolutionary spirit being armed with the sword of righteousness and
the determination to always keep foreigners out of the motherland and
to maintain British India as "Hindustan.

Sarbajit

On 11/25/13, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbjit Roy,
>
> I am little bit confused.. I don't know who made Mr. Sarbjit Roy a National
> Convenor of India Against Corruption..
> I am not alleging it, but just want to know..
> Kindly enlighten me..

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Re: [IAC#RG] A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship

Tadepalli

There is a need to stop blame game .These words sound big that democracy is akin to cutting the basic  limb of the system . Now coming to the fact that in the  democratic system as inherited by us from the Britishers after independence,  the real culprit have been the bureaucrats . They have been be fooling both the  politicians , mostly illiterate power hungry to amass wealth in the shortest possible time and the public .They have even made Politicians to be labelled as biggest culprits. Thus the entire governing system in our  democratic system has been morphed by these scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the  masses .

 This way they have succeeded  in making the masses  lazy by extending all sorts of  subsidies . But these masses too have become intelligent to bargain with the politicians for a bigger piece of cake in every deal  through  large number of  power brokers working between the Administration and the public . This has been instrumental in  perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre , shortsighted and favoritism ridden persons and  has produced characters who wield AUTHORITY with out RESPONSIBILITY. There is need to add another dimension no TRANSPARENCY . 

None of these solutions  like   nominating  Warriors and Veterans to all Lawmaking bodies from Gram Panchayat  inwards will work unless these three elements are embedded in the governing system at all levels . The cities will become clean with zero potholes .Corruption will get minimized . Every person  be a Minister or a peon   in the Administrative system will be scared of getting caught and punished for their illicit acts..

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Respected Sri Tadepalli Triampakishore,

Apropos to your feedback on the subject. Unfortunately, we are not electing honest and committed Parliamentarians, Legislators, Municipal Councilors, Ward Councilors/Members,  Zilla  Panchaayat Board Presidents etc., etc.  Most of them are involved in some way in criminal cases, rape, amazed wealth through corrupt ways, most of them illiterate, not good Speakers (knowledgeable)  to present/project  the concern of atleast their own (respective)  Constituencies in the appropriatve Forum i.e. Parliament or Assemblies leave alone National Interest,   with the only sole intention of grooming their kith and kins to the fore etc.,  In therse circumstances, how can you expect sanity in Public Life.  

To sanitize the Parliament.Assemblies/Municipal Corporations/Panchayats, Men/Women of Honesty, Integrity and Commitment to the Nation/Citizens should occupy these August Bodies.  None of the Political parties possess such candidates. The year 2011 saw rising such leaders who claim to be apolitical and demonstrated to cleanse the Administration.  But their intentions and activities are under scrutiny of the public eye. 

There are so many very Enlightened  Members with far sightedness in various walks of life in IAC or Indiaresists, India Rise Up Movements etc.  All these very Enlightened Members should rise upto the occasion and enter the Parliament/Assemblies,Municipal Corporations. Panchayats by contesting as Independent candidate ( since these Movements want to remain apolitical).  Ofcourse, it is not so easy to get elected to these August Bodies competing with the Political parties.  By contesting elections as IAC Members, their presence/numbers  will be felt by the Rulers and they cannot take it granted anything whatever they do.

It is not out of place to mention here( Dr.) Sri K.L. Rao one of the very knowledgeable Civil Engineer and Specilist in Water Management,  and Central Minister from Andhra Pradesh, prepared and submitted a Plan interlinking all Major Rivers in India (Garland Canal Project) to the Parliament headed by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in early or late 50s.  Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru as PM and a Prudent Nationlist Leader should have accepted the proposal in toto or modified in necessary in consultation with national consensus and given a big thrust to the Project.  Had it been started by this time, major rivers would have been linked thus transferring surplus/flood waters to water starved Regions, (avoiding flood ravages) generating new irrigation canals, Hydro Power Stations, Navigation, providing Drinking Water to the Millions, converted unirregated lands to cultivable lands, increased the green cover by planting more trees through out the country which will again bring more rains, increased food production etc., etc.   

But, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru put it in the cold storage.  There may be some objection from some States, but a Leader of a calibre like Nehru should have convinced and cleared the Project in the National Interest.  Every year, we are experiencing Floods in one part of India and Waster Scarcity in another part of India.  Due to shortfall in Rains, we find States fight each other on sharing the Waters and going to Courts. 

The need of the hour is the Govt. should be headed by Honest and Committed Leaders to usher in an era of probity/sanity in Public Life.  

With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM

On Sunday, 1 December 2013 11:25 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

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Blaming Democracy is akin to cutting the limb/ branch we all are perched upon. Yes the Democratic system has been morphed by the scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the innocent masses. The feudalistic attitude of the power brokers and the servile attitude of the masses are the fuel mix perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre/ shortsighted/  favoritism ridden persons and  has produced characters who wield authority with out responsibility. All so called socialists and nationalists and adherents of several ideologies(?) indulge in the same game of trying to get past the finish line by all means and succeeded in demonizing the Democracy. 

Are we as a nation incapable of regaining the moral fibre to put all corrupt where they belong. If we lack character as a community of Indians and praise false prophets and watch helplessly the pillars of Democracy being destroyed , may be we the people of India deserve to be wretched. 

One solution to avoid such an ignominy: nominate warriors and Veernaris to all Lawmaking bodies from gram panchayat , municipal corps! metro dev auth, legislatures LokSabha and Rajya sabha,at least proportional to their strength. Possibly this may bring sanity to our existence.

Veteran TTK

On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:

Till today no one has asked Sheela Dixit that why no Politician /Officials responsible for plying of illegal buses in Delhi has been punished . 

Delhi Government

Chief Minister 

Transport Minister

Transport Commissioner  

Central Government

Home Minister

Police Commissioner

They were the real culprit for that incident . That Bus was moving uninterrupted on

 the road for hours together watched by policemen standing on the road.

Brig JAGJIT SINGH AHUJA

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Veteran Col Shivraj for your response.

Allow me to preempt a feeling  I might have inadvertently created of , " being supportive of Nizams' reign" . The stress is sought to be on perpetuating a composite culture and accommodative politics of a multi faceted society. Further nature abhors exclusivity( the beautiful fauna and flora seen in Nature though beings of same ' feather' flock together others also share the space).

Hope we will be spared from the self seeking onslaught of evil nexus of bad Babus/ politicians/ corporate and social criminals.

May be some ,' Avatar' conforming to,' Sambhavami yugey  yugey'  delivers the Aam aadmi.

Veteran TTK

On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Col Shivraj wrote:

Dear Friends,

I entirely & fully agree with Col TT Kishore.

The Politicians supported by the media and bureaucrats have divided us at the drop of the hat. They will use any method to divide us like caste / creed / colour, North / South / East / West, educated / uneducated, urban / rural, men / women, advocates / rest, teachers / rest, haves / have nots. rich / poor, terms like middle class etc.

In Delhi elections, all these terms are used to divide the voters, like Poorvanchalies, Punjabies,Teachers , Advocates, middle class etc depending upon the areas,

We must look into the larger perspective and think of India as a whole.

With modern technologies, when egovernance can produce better results, it will be wrong to further divide the states.

For Delhi citizens, it is a very crucial election. Every voter must come out to vote. They must see the larger picture to form a stable Govt.

regards

Col Shivraj

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Way back in 50 s a Hyderabad State was very much in existence and Nizams reign had  a harmonious spectrum of Brahmins(Malayalam/Tamilians/Telugus/ Maharashtrians) Kayasthas,Merchant Princes( Marawaris/ Gujarathis/Kutchies/P unjabis/S indhis / indigenous Vysyas) , Reddis, Gouds( Anjiah Goud of Paradise talkies fame),Velamas,Rajput descendants ( claiming presence from Kakatiyas'  period), various artisans ( goldsmiths/ stapathis/carpenters/ metal smiths) including 

weavers ( Padmashalis)/Tailors/potters and indigenous folk artistes( having flavours of Kannada/ Marathi/ Telugu/ Deccani) and of course theNizam' s Royal  courtiers ( of Arabic / Turkish / Iranian roots / local Moslems) and not forgetting the colorful Anglo Indians& Parsis & Sikhs amongst myriad others . 

The demography was akin to the later idea of unity in diversity  and Hyderabad was a perfect representative of what India ie Bharat ought to be. BUT  thanks to the selfish / egoistic/feudal / elitist mentality of Political Leaders of that time  a composite multicultural entity like Hyderabad State was parceled off to form finally present Linguistic States.( it is said that Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad State were attached to the Telugu speaking Coastal Andhra and RayalaSeema to neutralize the prevailing Brahmin dominated Political Class by Reddis who were culturally rich and had feudal clout and were keen to join forces with Telangana Reddis).

Instead of crying over spilt milk can we the common people strive to regain our sanity and stop the self seeking politicians who cynically are indulging in electoral politics.

One solution could be to establish the erstwhile Hyderabad State and put it under Presidents Rule till people ie Politicians learn to accommodate all regions ' aspirations.

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Re: [IAC#RG] A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship

Respected Sri Tadepalli Triampakishore,

Apropos to your feedback on the subject. Unfortunately, we are not electing honest and committed Parliamentarians, Legislators, Municipal Councilors, Ward Councilors/Members,  Zilla  Panchaayat Board Presidents etc., etc.  Most of them are involved in some way in criminal cases, rape, amazed wealth through corrupt ways, most of them illiterate, not good Speakers (knowledgeable)  to present/project  the concern of atleast their own (respective)  Constituencies in the appropriatve Forum i.e. Parliament or Assemblies leave alone National Interest,   with the only sole intention of grooming their kith and kins to the fore etc.,  In therse circumstances, how can you expect sanity in Public Life.  

To sanitize the Parliament.Assemblies/Municipal Corporations/Panchayats, Men/Women of Honesty, Integrity and Commitment to the Nation/Citizens should occupy these August Bodies.  None of the Political parties possess such candidates. The year 2011 saw rising such leaders who claim to be apolitical and demonstrated to cleanse the Administration.  But their intentions and activities are under scrutiny of the public eye. 

There are so many very Enlightened  Members with far sightedness in various walks of life in IAC or Indiaresists, India Rise Up Movements etc.  All these very Enlightened Members should rise upto the occasion and enter the Parliament/Assemblies,Municipal Corporations. Panchayats by contesting as Independent candidate ( since these Movements want to remain apolitical).  Ofcourse, it is not so easy to get elected to these August Bodies competing with the Political parties.  By contesting elections as IAC Members, their presence/numbers  will be felt by the Rulers and they cannot take it granted anything whatever they do.

It is not out of place to mention here( Dr.) Sri K.L. Rao one of the very knowledgeable Civil Engineer and Specilist in Water Management,  and Central Minister from Andhra Pradesh, prepared and submitted a Plan interlinking all Major Rivers in India (Garland Canal Project) to the Parliament headed by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in early or late 50s.  Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru as PM and a Prudent Nationlist Leader should have accepted the proposal in toto or modified in necessary in consultation with national consensus and given a big thrust to the Project.  Had it been started by this time, major rivers would have been linked thus transferring surplus/flood waters to water starved Regions, (avoiding flood ravages) generating new irrigation canals, Hydro Power Stations, Navigation, providing Drinking Water to the Millions, converted unirregated lands to cultivable lands, increased the green cover by planting more trees through out the country which will again bring more rains, increased food production etc., etc.   

But, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru put it in the cold storage.  There may be some objection from some States, but a Leader of a calibre like Nehru should have convinced and cleared the Project in the National Interest.  Every year, we are experiencing Floods in one part of India and Waster Scarcity in another part of India.  Due to shortfall in Rains, we find States fight each other on sharing the Waters and going to Courts. 

The need of the hour is the Govt. should be headed by Honest and Committed Leaders to usher in an era of probity/sanity in Public Life.  

With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM

On Sunday, 1 December 2013 11:25 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

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Blaming Democracy is akin to cutting the limb/ branch we all are perched upon. Yes the Democratic system has been morphed by the scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the innocent masses. The feudalistic attitude of the power brokers and the servile attitude of the masses are the fuel mix perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre/ shortsighted/  favoritism ridden persons and  has produced characters who wield authority with out responsibility. All so called socialists and nationalists and adherents of several ideologies(?) indulge in the same game of trying to get past the finish line by all means and succeeded in demonizing the Democracy. 

Are we as a nation incapable of regaining the moral fibre to put all corrupt where they belong. If we lack character as a community of Indians and praise false prophets and watch helplessly the pillars of Democracy being destroyed , may be we the people of India deserve to be wretched. 

One solution to avoid such an ignominy: nominate warriors and Veernaris to all Lawmaking bodies from gram panchayat , municipal corps! metro dev auth, legislatures LokSabha and Rajya sabha,at least proportional to their strength. Possibly this may bring sanity to our existence.

Veteran TTK

On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:

Till today no one has asked Sheela Dixit that why no Politician /Officials responsible for plying of illegal buses in Delhi has been punished . 

Delhi Government

Chief Minister 

Transport Minister

Transport Commissioner  

Central Government

Home Minister

Police Commissioner

They were the real culprit for that incident . That Bus was moving uninterrupted on

 the road for hours together watched by policemen standing on the road.

Brig JAGJIT SINGH AHUJA

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Veteran Col Shivraj for your response.

Allow me to preempt a feeling  I might have inadvertently created of , " being supportive of Nizams' reign" . The stress is sought to be on perpetuating a composite culture and accommodative politics of a multi faceted society. Further nature abhors exclusivity( the beautiful fauna and flora seen in Nature though beings of same ' feather' flock together others also share the space).

Hope we will be spared from the self seeking onslaught of evil nexus of bad Babus/ politicians/ corporate and social criminals.

May be some ,' Avatar' conforming to,' Sambhavami yugey  yugey'  delivers the Aam aadmi.

Veteran TTK

On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Col Shivraj wrote:

Dear Friends,

I entirely & fully agree with Col TT Kishore.

The Politicians supported by the media and bureaucrats have divided us at the drop of the hat. They will use any method to divide us like caste / creed / colour, North / South / East / West, educated / uneducated, urban / rural, men / women, advocates / rest, teachers / rest, haves / have nots. rich / poor, terms like middle class etc.

In Delhi elections, all these terms are used to divide the voters, like Poorvanchalies, Punjabies,Teachers , Advocates, middle class etc depending upon the areas,

We must look into the larger perspective and think of India as a whole.

With modern technologies, when egovernance can produce better results, it will be wrong to further divide the states.

For Delhi citizens, it is a very crucial election. Every voter must come out to vote. They must see the larger picture to form a stable Govt.

regards

Col Shivraj

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Way back in 50 s a Hyderabad State was very much in existence and Nizams reign had  a harmonious spectrum of Brahmins(Malayalam/Tamilians/Telugus/ Maharashtrians) Kayasthas,Merchant Princes( Marawaris/ Gujarathis/Kutchies/P unjabis/S indhis / indigenous Vysyas) , Reddis, Gouds( Anjiah Goud of Paradise talkies fame),Velamas,Rajput descendants ( claiming presence from Kakatiyas'  period), various artisans ( goldsmiths/ stapathis/carpenters/ metal smiths) including 

weavers ( Padmashalis)/Tailors/potters and indigenous folk artistes( having flavours of Kannada/ Marathi/ Telugu/ Deccani) and of course theNizam' s Royal  courtiers ( of Arabic / Turkish / Iranian roots / local Moslems) and not forgetting the colorful Anglo Indians& Parsis & Sikhs amongst myriad others . 

The demography was akin to the later idea of unity in diversity  and Hyderabad was a perfect representative of what India ie Bharat ought to be. BUT  thanks to the selfish / egoistic/feudal / elitist mentality of Political Leaders of that time  a composite multicultural entity like Hyderabad State was parceled off to form finally present Linguistic States.( it is said that Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad State were attached to the Telugu speaking Coastal Andhra and RayalaSeema to neutralize the prevailing Brahmin dominated Political Class by Reddis who were culturally rich and had feudal clout and were keen to join forces with Telangana Reddis).

Instead of crying over spilt milk can we the common people strive to regain our sanity and stop the self seeking politicians who cynically are indulging in electoral politics.

One solution could be to establish the erstwhile Hyderabad State and put it under Presidents Rule till people ie Politicians learn to accommodate all regions ' aspirations.

Veteran( LtCol) TTKishore

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