Friday, May 8, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

Mr. Jain
I am traveling will there4 be brief. If every one can take care of himself and his family where is the problem? We are on this forum mostly professionals or were professional and to that extent priledged. But a vast majority are not so. V are speaking for that majority whether it is farmer or other rural or urban poor.
Society has ceased to exist as an institution and the govt. Has become the all powerful institution. But if the govt. Fails to do what is expected to do what are v supposed to do. In these times you can do nothing as individual but a lot collectively..

On 9 May 2015 11:09, Anil Jain <anil.jain@gmail.com> wrote:
In my opinion the biggest problem is that no on wants to improve. No matter how big we talk but at the bottom of it, we have adjusted ourselves to live like this. I have been seeing so many mails exchange every day. Can anyone  tell what improvement it has done to the society. Even the fraction of improvement is not visible, instead it is deteriorating day by day.
Everyone is working for themselves, for their own benefits. Even the moderator of this group is no exception, probably!!!!!!!!!

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:38 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

Issue is almost same in every sector lack of proper regulations and governments unwanted intervention. Starting from inadequate storage facility, improper transportation ,unregulated market ,unregulated money lenders and government controlled banks reluctant approach all are affecting very badly. We are very far from the real term good governance .a single method will not solve any of our problems .

On May 8, 2015 1:19 PM, "Dr. J. K. Chaudhry" <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

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On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

Major K M mathews (retd)
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Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

The farmers should form co-operative establishments to ensure they can sell their hard worked products a reasonable price at the selling point.Rail/Road Transport can be asked/guided to help the farmers of secondary produce..It is ridiculously low price they have to sell vegetables/fruits at present..
 
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On Friday, May 8, 2015 1:24 PM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:


My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

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On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

Major K M mathews (retd)
A defeated farmer
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Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

In my opinion the biggest problem is that no on wants to improve. No matter how big we talk but at the bottom of it, we have adjusted ourselves to live like this. I have been seeing so many mails exchange every day. Can anyone  tell what improvement it has done to the society. Even the fraction of improvement is not visible, instead it is deteriorating day by day.
Everyone is working for themselves, for their own benefits. Even the moderator of this group is no exception, probably!!!!!!!!!

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:38 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

Issue is almost same in every sector lack of proper regulations and governments unwanted intervention. Starting from inadequate storage facility, improper transportation ,unregulated market ,unregulated money lenders and government controlled banks reluctant approach all are affecting very badly. We are very far from the real term good governance .a single method will not solve any of our problems .

On May 8, 2015 1:19 PM, "Dr. J. K. Chaudhry" <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

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On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

Major K M mathews (retd)
A defeated farmer
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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi

Even for two decade old Rio conference I had coined the famous slogan"kum log,kum bhog" for the civilisation per se,and had been appreciated by experts. No one,I seriously mean no one can-and should-tell a serious research scholar on "population policy"what really poor need,and should do. It's simply a hopelessly bad personal opinion that poor must breed more for attrition. It's a suicidal path for them in many cases ,and dangerously insidious in most. To wantonly reduce per capita availability of resources;to per force lead a pathetically poor quality of life;to diminish chances of survival wantonly;to strain the planet's resources to the humanity's detriment,is what the wonderful advice is! Big joke in face of the global literature on the subject of population policy,specially wrt less privileged sections of societies. Does it ipso facto imply acceptance of existing or widening disparities between the have's and haven'ts? No. Just no. That's another important line of action to be followed,as the students of system's approach to reduction of ginni's co-efficient would know. In maths every one is clear: something may be necessary but not,sufficient. Yes,real life complexities need multipronged attacks on the challenges. With successful and celebrated four and a half decades of public life I should know better. Sorry,for the long but essential narrative to dis abuse people of some vague notions(self-conceptualised conjectures), that could be bandied about freely. S P Mathur IPs DGP (retd) BE MBA PhD
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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi

It is a very theoretical suggestion that the underprivileged must be encouraged to accept family planning norms. It is against nature, in the sense that nature caters for the underprivileged to grow in numbers to compensate for greater attrition! 

The important and mandatory thing to do is to prevent the rich from amassing wealth disproportionate to their needs and availability. This IS a function of the govt an we have to exert ourselves to make these 'public servants' deliver what they are tasked, empowered, equipped and paid to deliver.

regards n bw

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On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
The lasting and the viable solution is assured and reasonably speedy
decline in overall population figures(not merely a reduction i
population growth). Mainly the less privileged sections of all
communities and religions,need to be targetted to adopt small family
norm,and rather delayed marriages and spacing between children.
All party meet must seriously take up this vital issue of public importance.
s p mathur IPS DGP(retd)

BE MBA PhD

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Pranab Kumar Chakravarty
<pranabkumar.chakravarty@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some permanent solution should be found to mitigate sufferings of farmers
> who are from time immemorial dependent on Arun & Barun. There is no
> guarantee how Arun and Barun will behave during harvesting seasons.
>
> Only monetary assistance cannot be the permanent solution. Most of the
> rivers are drying up. .So, there is a limit on providing or extending
> irrigation facilities. Due to manifold use of water, most of the states are
> facing water shortage. From Tibet, occupied by China, several snow fed
> rivers including the mighty Brahmaputra flow to India's northeast .But China
> is building barrages on the rivers in its occupied territories causing water
> shortage in the region. We all know what is happening in our southern states
> facing water shortage and no state is prepared to share water with others
> for obvious reason.
>
> The water dispute between Haryana and Punjab is sub judice both of them
> plead inability of sharing water. Delhi is dependent for water on Haryana
> and UP, both basically agrarian states. What I mean to emphasise is that
> there will be shortage of water, the basic prerequisite for agriculture
> operation in all states. Water cannot be generated unlike electricity.
>
> Therefore, my suggestion is that our agriculture scientists should evolve
> less and less water dependent crops through R & D.Meanwhile, we should
> change our food habits by taking less and less products made of rice and
> wheat. We know that for growing wheat and rice, farmers need substantial and
> timely rainfall or irrigation which no one can guarantee to the farming
> community. We should also avoid wasting water and use judiciously whatever
> water is available treating it as the gift sent by PARAMESHWAR
>
> On 6 May 2015 at 12:01, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agree with you Shri Ahuja ji.
>>
>> The farmers need money for daily use.Sitting on a piece of land is old
>> story with hardly any future.Yes it is good for holding on to, but that is
>> it.The poor fellow can not even sustain his family on it.And we all know
>> large land holdings are with big landlords by now.
>> We need to give them jobs.
>> And this govt job scenario needs a befitting end..
>>
>> Let it be good paying,working jobs rather than getting paid for doing
>> less.
>> Regards to all.
>>
>> On 6 May 2015 11:38, "Ashok Ahuja" <ashokahuja58@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr. Gaur,
>>> Thank you. Why is a farmer wanting his sons to take up Govt. Jobs.  One
>>> of the reasons could be that the land holding he has will not be able to
>>> sustain the extended family,the other could be that he is looking for
>>> financial security. In Govt jobs whatever happens they will keep getting the
>>> security associated with Gov. Jobs. The question is whether Govt. Is able to
>>> provide jobs to such large population. Answer is NO. This is where private/
>>> public sector comes in.look at data world over what percentage of the jobs
>>> provided by the Govt vs the private sector. Private sector clearly wins.Even
>>> in GDP higher share is of private than Govt. Industry,therefore, is very
>>> important.
>>> Regards
>>> A.Ahuja
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr. Ahuja
>>> Regarding jobs I forgot to mention some facts which you will know if you
>>> are familiar with farming community. Indian farmer would like to send one of
>>> his sons to the army. The second son to the police whether it is central or
>>> state police. The third one if the son is we'll educated he will become a
>>> teacher or a lecturer in college. In short his preference will be a govt or
>>> state job.
>>> Not a job in a private co. If he can help. We have many army veterans
>>> with rural background who can further clarify
>>> Regds jkgaur
>>>
>>> On 3 May 2015 11:08, Ashok Ahuja <ashokahuja58@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mr. Gaur,
>>> This is the first note I am writing because it pained me to see that the
>>> so called intelligensia fighting for the wrong things rather than going deep
>>> into the reasons of the decay and correcting them.
>>>
>>>  the land holding of a poor farmer,I am talking poor farmer, on average
>>> is less than few acre and the no. Of children is three or more. With this
>>> land holding they are unable to meet their minimum needs of food and
>>> clothing, forget about educating the children,their marriages or some
>>> emergency requirements. What will be the status if the land piece is further
>>> divided amongst the children. They will have no option but to sell the land
>>> to the money lenders and become criminals/live on Govt. Doles like MNREGA or
>>> such govt sponsored scheme,because of which we, rather than making them self
>>> respecting proud Indians, we are making them beggars, thieves,criminals. As
>>> you are well aware even the doles given by the Govt. Do not reach the
>>> intended beneficiaries. By these schemes the govt encourages infrastructure
>>> which is thoroughly inefficient and corrupt.
>>> By all means agriculture should be given the highest importance but at
>>> the same time job creation is also equally important,and for that
>>> industrialisation is the only way. For that land mass is needed, world class
>>> infrastructure is required. Fair compensation for the acquired land must be
>>> given to the farmers. Their rehabilitation by providing jobs to them and
>>> their children should be ensured. It should also be ensured that the purpose
>>> for which the land is acquired is used for that only.
>>> Further Our agricultural output per unit of land mass is one third or
>>> less of the developed countries output. This is where our efforts should be
>>> put ,if we really want to help farmers.
>>> Regards
>>> Ashok
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2/5/15
>>>
>>> We all know 'Make in India' is not for Agriculture and farm products. You
>>> dont need foreign technology or manpower to make storage silos for rotting
>>> grains or cold storages for farm produce.
>>> We all know Land acquisition amendmentBill 2015 is not for farmers but
>>> corporates unless the Govt. makes available data of land acquired since 1947
>>> for various purposes-Defence Projects, Public Sector undertakings, roads
>>> ,irregation , Special  Economic zones and Industrial usages. How much of the
>>> acquired land is used profitably and how much lying unused. Specifically I
>>> give an example of land alloted to Ind ian Agril. Research Insitute(IARI) by
>>> Pandit Nehru Govt. after independence. Today it is in the heart of New
>>> Delhi. Now Agril research is practically in private hands. So also the land
>>> acquired by various state Govt. as State Farms. Are these really helping
>>> farmers  in making the improved   seeds available, raise productivity and
>>> other related issues of farmers.
>>> 2. Future of In dian Agriculture is very bleak. Si nce liberalisation,
>>> the Govt. approach is to treat agriculture as an industry. The figures are
>>> quoted to show that its contribution in GDP is less than 20% and the rate of
>>> growth is 2% as compared to industries and services. But nobody is prepared
>>> to help the farmer except lip service. If the Govt. creates conditions that
>>> a farmer,s son has to migrate to the city to get a job, what hope there is
>>> for the future of Agriculture. Agriculture in India cannot be Agri. in US or
>>> Europe.
>>> Agricuture is a back breaking activity. Food security ceased to be
>>> important after the green revolution of 70,s. With the climate change and
>>> Govt. policy we are heading to a bleak future for farming community-the
>>> backbone of rural India.
>>> JKGaur
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:03:19 +0530
>>> From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi
>>>
>>> That is a moving response. But will the policy makers listen. I am all
>>> for modi's make in India so long as it is for, and only for, agricultural
>>> and farm products.
>>>
>>> regards n bw
>>>
>>> ravi
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI
>>> <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> presently for God sake and for true love for our country all
>>> politician should first think about situation and condition of our
>>> Indian farmers without playing politics otherwise young generation
>>> will not forgive any politician. If FARMERS survive then only  people
>>> of India will get sufficient food to eat.   Without  nutritious and
>>> quality food they is no sense in any kind of progress in our life.
>>> Simple living  and high thinking IS OUR COUNTRY'S spirit  Moreover it
>>> should be think of that FARMERS children will get free education
>>> facility. Interest free loan for marriage of their daughters.  There
>>> should be some concrete  plan framed by government in such a way that
>>> farmers get monitory help by way of depositing direct fund in their
>>> account at the worst time in their life when there is no rain or more
>>> rainfall damaging the crops, vegetables, fruits, cotton etc. Even
>>> people at large in India wants to help to farmers by paying something
>>> from their salary can directly deposit in their account as a message
>>> to farmers that we all Indian are your brothers and sisters to help
>>> you in your worst days of your life. Even many Industrialist and
>>> Corporate offices can help by compulsorily appointing permanently in
>>> Job farmers' children in their organization. It is also necessary that
>>> farmers locality should also developed by roads, busroute and small
>>> railways accompanying by small scale industry and wholesale markets
>>> hospitals, Agricultural and polytechnic colleges, Police station,
>>> around them as  Modi government is explaining  to People and farmers
>>> at large. Every Indian's duty to protect  poor farmers by help them
>>> out in all possible manner.   Kishan vikas patra scheme should be
>>> encouraged IN SUCH A WAY   that money UP TO TWO  LAKHS  ONLY EVERY
>>> YEAR  will become double in six years and Tex rebate will be full so
>>> that people of India mainly middle class service people rush to save
>>> their money  in  KISHAN VIKAS PATRA.  MIDDLE CLASS SERVICE PEOPLE WILL
>>> BE BENEFITED AND WILL HAPPY,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Dear Subscribers
>>> >
>>> > The media and Justice Katju are saying yesterday what we said a week
>>> > earlier. Dumping Kiran Bedi now will not improve BJP's fortunes,
>>> > although the polls are wrong and 2 important traditional Congress vote
>>> > banks are still undecided and game is still open for BJP.
>>> >
>>> > It is all very well for Justice Katju, and I am not his friend on
>>> > Facebook, to fight for release of Sadhvi Pragya. On this list, IAC had
>>> > also come round that Dr. Subramaniam Swamy's public appeals to Justice
>>> > Katju and others in 2013 to release Sadhvi Pragya should be taken very
>>> > seriously in Government and wonderment why Govt was not taking action.
>>> >
>>> > In the same vein as Dr. Subramaniam Swamy, I also wonder why this
>>> > present Government is so fixated on punishing one of our nation's
>>> > finest intellectual minds, who could be a great asset to India in our
>>> > common national quest to achieve our destined purpose on the world
>>> > platform, and as rapidly as possible.
>>> >
>>> > Accordingly, I hope that someone on high remembers KOBAD GHANDY, who
>>> > like me attended St. Xavier's College Mumbai and which institution I
>>> > suppose greatly shaped the choices we separately made in life.
>>> >
>>> > I can disclose now that late JaiPrakash Narain ji "JP" privately had
>>> > greatly approved my father's decision to educate me at Jesuit
>>> > institutions in the English language, saying that is what is needed
>>> > for the new India so that the old India could be preserved. My father
>>> > was in the Hindu Hostel at Benares/kashi BHU and with Pandit Madan
>>> > Mohan Malviya's Independence agitation and even lost a year because of
>>> > it.
>>> >
>>> > PS: I am writing in my personal capacity based on Justice Katju's
>>> > appeal which somebody posted to my Facebook wall, and Ghandy's
>>> > writings - available here for anyone interested.
>>> > http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/auteur532.html
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>>> > Sarbajit
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>>> > On 1/27/15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Dear Friends
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12 January BJP had a 16 percent vote share lead over AAP -
>>> >> something like 48% to 32% with Congress at 12%. But, as of now AAP has
>>> >> pulled sharply ahead and its 39% AAP to 34% BJP with 18% to Congress
>>> >> for the 70% steady voters. These are HRA's latest numbers -
>>> >> discounting the swing / mercenary vote banks and uncommitted voters
>>> >> who are about 30%. and essentially unpredictable till the last moment.
>>> >>
>>> >> What we are also seeing is that Kiran Bedi's entry has done 2 things,
>>> >> a massive 28% drop in "committed" BJP voters who are tending to
>>> >> support AAP publicly but also a large number who are prepared to
>>> >> support Congress for cash privately. Of these the BJP's UP-Biharis at
>>> >> about 16% are gravitating mostly to AAP and the BJP's disgruntled
>>> >> Punjabis about 12% mostly to Congress. AAP has also lost 4% of its
>>> >> previous 32% to Congress. The uncommitted voters are mainly
>>> >> gravitating to BJP as  AAP is not able to convert uncommitted voters
>>> >> at last moment and AAP is last choice for them as Congress is still #2
>>> >> choice after BJP for these.
>>> >>
>>> >> The game is still very open and as d-day approaches huge deals and all
>>> >> kinds of muck is going to be in play.
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

Issue is almost same in every sector lack of proper regulations and governments unwanted intervention. Starting from inadequate storage facility, improper transportation ,unregulated market ,unregulated money lenders and government controlled banks reluctant approach all are affecting very badly. We are very far from the real term good governance .a single method will not solve any of our problems .

On May 8, 2015 1:19 PM, "Dr. J. K. Chaudhry" <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

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On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

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[IAC#RG] Farmers strugle

This is 3rd mail from Major mathews. Glad to see the responses; some silly; some serious and worth debating . I was touched by Dr chowdhary's
Let me share an experience. Banana Cavandish yielding 30 kg a bunch promised me one lakh per acre 15 years ago. I was on cloud 9. Then came a disease called nemetode; the leaves dry up ; the bunches droop and break at the neck and fall off before maturing. I took soil to. Dharward Agri University, my bank's agri officer and many places for testing and a conclusive remedial action to say "this is the problem , this is the solution" no scientist wanted to take a risk in sugesting- no bank official was prepared to bear the responsibility. I. Cried at my withering crop droping down in front of me. 2 5 acres of scientific. Modern farmer - educated agri entrepreneur just dried up.

Ofcourse the bank took me to court; no respite or leniency or saving plan of aditional funds to tide over . Such luxuries are for Kings Flying in the Air Industrialists.

What can the average farmer in villages do in such situations do? I feel sad to see their sunken eyes and torn tatered shirts...they should pay income tax and luxury tax
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Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

We need to get into corporate farming also as the individual farming will not succeed in the long run as per the present situation. We need to form cooperatives and use advance technology to get better returns and sale linkages for better price management
KKP

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

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On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

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Re: [IAC#RG] Farmers strugle- mr Gaur

Shri Chaudhry sahab,we are thankful to you for sharing this insight in an educated well to do and selfmade person's life.
We all are trying to make things better for our farming community.
Grateful for your personal input.This how we know d real picture.
Regards.

On 8 May 2015 13:26, "Dr. J. K. Chaudhry" <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
My dad,B.Sc.agriculture 1920 Lyallpur quoted ," When people talk of charms of farming,they see the beautiful 4 pm sunset,not the, morning 4 am ,when he is out on the field,BEFORE the morning lark "
He was called to the bar ,in absentia ,in 1928, practiced law.
After becoming refugees,took back to farming ,in Ludhiana,on a piece of land ,described as " Banjar Qadeem " in land records as back as 1905 ! Barren since ages.
He reclaimed it successfully. Latter ,students of Panjab Agriculture College were sent on field visit to his farm.
What did I do? Became surgeon in Indian Railways !
J.K.Chaudhry.........an armchair pseudo intellectual 

Sent from my iPad

On May 7, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Holiday Bash International <lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mathew
Your mail is a really an eye opener Why can farmers not form co-operative society and hold market and sell directly to the consumer and finish the midle man
Amarjit Lidder

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, <mmblissclub@gmail.com> wrote:
The single killing factor of the farmer is market fluctuation or rather market manipulated. Banana fetching rs 15 per kg has crashed to Rs 3 per kg. Ginger which was Rs 300 twoyears ago has come down to rs 30 per kg for the farmer. The sad fact is that the consumer price of these items have not fallen proportionately. Banana sells atRs 40 per dozen in retail shop. One dozen is one and half kg of standard size; it may be even 2 or 3 kg. In a dozen. When farmer gets rs 4 and paise fifty; the retailer takes Rs 40! It is a cruel system of govt control and midle men.
I am an army officer who volunteered out early (1993) to take up farming and broke my back. I did proper scientific farming; the first one in Belgaum to take up tissue culture and drip irigation; took bank loan of Rs 16 lakhs ; even opened own wholesale godown to survive!  I did many other things to earny(security business , garment retail , civil contract and hotel) and suport the farm.  Yet I was drowned in debt, the demand from bank acumulated to Rs 54 lakhs! Can u believe? I had to sell my farm to avoid
sucide
It is not easy to survi
ve in farmingm something is roten in the country which is not accepted by the chair bound. You don't find many Agri graduates doing farming. They prefer to be consultants and traders in poison( pesticides n weedicides) !

The input cost goes up as per subsidy which is gulped by the manufacturers if irigaion systems and officials who are in the ladder to sanction subsidy

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Thursday, May 7, 2015

[IAC#RG] rural India - digitalised republic by 2020

Namaskar,

 

View some information of key & feeder villages of tomorrow’s India by Sociography, Ecography, Geography, Demography, Professionals and Institutes on www.ruralrelations.com/villagewiky    

Best regards,

Pradeep Lokhande

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You Connect With us, we Connect You To Tomorrow’s India

 

Amazing Outreach - editorial in Times of India - http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31814&articlexml=talking-terms-Amazing-Outreach-07022015016025

 

Earlier communication:

 

Namaskar,

-          With the help of Non-Resident Villagers (NRV) 1,255 Gyan-key libraries are installed in rural secondary schools in 670 working days.

-          In the next 49 working days, more 1,840 Gyan-key libraries will be set up in rural secondary schools across Maharashtra.

-          This will be the world’ largest rural reading initiative and will benefit almost 850,000 rural students.

 

Namaskar,

Please visit our office to see the communication received from more than 600,000 students, youth, & villagers.

 

Namaskar,

Our village developers have conducted Colgate Oral Health Educational program for 20,09,200 (2million) primary rural students to benefit 1,00,000,00 (10million) villagers of 3 states.

 

Re: [HumJanenge] COMPLAINT against FAA (First Appellate Authority) of the CIC

Dear sir,

Now CIC converted into the protection center for corruption. Same problem I am also facing. I also approached same ministry but no use. These all are sitting here to protect corrupted people. All such things happening with the support of central government. This is the reason why till date no CIC appointed by government.
Now you will receive email from Mr. Sanjay Kothari to show you they are doing importance to your email. But these things are just to fool you.

On May 7, 2015 6:53 PM, "'C K Jam' via HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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1. Hon'ble MoS, DoPT
2. Secretary, DoPT


From:
C J Karira
Secunderabad                                                    Date 07 May 2015

RE: COMPLAINT against the First Appellate Authority of the Central Information Commission

Dear Madam,

I am constrained to send this email to you to COMPLAIN to you regarding the Non Disposal of my First Appeal by the FAA of your Commission.

As you can very well see from the trailing emails (copies of all emails and letters have been marked to you !), there has been an inordinate delay in disposing off my first appeal. Since this matter pertains to Corruption in the CIC, there is no doubt in my mind that the disposal of this first appeal is being delayed on the prodding of the corrupt persons working in the Central Information Commission.

If you recall, I had also called you about a month ago, before Mr Dash demitted office, and you had assured me to look into the matter and get this matter disposed at the earliest. 

However no such thing happened !

Following is the sequence of events:

 
Details
Date
RTI Application filed with CPIO, CIC, re missing files
14 Jul 2014
Reply of the CPIO, CIC
22 Aug 2014
First Appeal filed with FAA of CIC
08 Sep 2014
Date of First Appeal Hearing & FAA’s 1st order
27 Oct 2014
FAA gives further directions to trace the “missing files”
27 Oct 2014
Another First Appeal for non-compliance of FAAs orders
09 Nov 2014
Incomplete information provided by CPIO
28 Nov 2014
Reminder to FAA
03 Dec 2014
Another First Appeal to FAA for incomplete information
10 Dec 2014
FAA passes order and gives more time to CPIO / Registrar to trace missing files and conduct Inquiry
19 Dec 2014
First reminder to FAA
11 Jan 2015
Second reminder to FAA
05 Feb 2015
Several calls to FAA between 23 Feb & 05 April 2015
 
Third reminder to FAA
18 April 2015
Fourth reminder to FAA
01 May 2015
Fifth reminder to FAA
07 May 2015


As you can clearly see from the above table, I have tried my best to follow all rules
and procedures as well as send timely reminders to the FAA to get his orders implemented.

However, I am now convinced that both Mr A K Dash, the former Adnl Secretary 
cum FAA and  the present FAA Mr Beck, are both part of the same 
CORRUPT MAFIA , existing in the Commission.

Madam, you are part of the Central Information Commission, the apex body for deciding
second appeals / complaints under the RTI Act. If your own senior officers:

- do not follow the time lines specified in the RTI Act 2005
- are not able to enforce their orders on their own subordinates
- do not even reply to 5 reminders over a period of 5 months

then with what face and authority can the Commission direct officers of other public 
authorities and expect the compliance of their orders ?

Since Mr Beck took over as the FAA of the Commission, I have called him more than 15 
times and he has never ever come on the phone. 

His email, as given on the website of the Commission, keeps bouncing.

Madam our Prime Minister keeps talking about "courteous behaviour" of Government
officers towards citizens, but surely, not responding to 15 phone calls cannot be termed as 
"courteous behaviour".

I therefore URGE and REQUEST you to immediately remove such an officer from
the post of FAA and reassign the duties to some other officer who can at least
return calls from applicants/appellants who have been waiting for an order
since more than 6 months.

I also did call you once and left a message with your PA, but the call was
not returned.

Thanking You,
C J Karira


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