| It is ok if some public spirited persons come up to help some institutions serving the people by way of exploring the RTI act. Still people of India have not reached the stage to be well secured with public oriented approach of bureaucrats. I mean to say the bureaucrats have to be public oriented. --- On Sat, 30/7/11, Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> wrote:
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Saturday, July 30, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
Re: [HumJanenge] HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING BY MRS. A. DIXIT, IC
I do not think any hearing is needed on most of the applications made under RTI. But it is a fashion of the Officers and mainly CIC to conduct hearing as if they are running a criminal case. In fact the appeals are always self explanatory. The department can submit a para-wise reply and appellant can submit its re-joinder. Based on the rejoinder the CIC can take decision. Court also can follow such practice on application under RTI. Under exceptional cases only personal hearing should be entertained. CIC should justify the personal hearing as to why the personal hearing is not avoidable. shirish dave --- On Sat, 30/7/11, Janardhana Rao Magar <njrmagar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
Sirs,
We are running a Trust called - Ekagra Community Awareness Trust - "ECAT" for short.
The initiative has been taken to spread an all round awareness on general issues effecting our society. We propose to arrange a get-together in Delhi sometimes end of August, may be August 27th, 2011. The initiative will be directed towards building a broad-base help line for the needy. Other points of agenda are most welcome.
1. Can some one suggest / arrange / contribute a place for the meeting ?
2. We can also have a cup of tea with biscuits, only while discussions.
With kind Regards to one and all,
Krishan Mitroo
Trustee - ECAT.
9971144399 (After Aug 12, 2011 since presently I am traveling)
We are running a Trust called - Ekagra Community Awareness Trust - "ECAT" for short.
The initiative has been taken to spread an all round awareness on general issues effecting our society. We propose to arrange a get-together in Delhi sometimes end of August, may be August 27th, 2011. The initiative will be directed towards building a broad-base help line for the needy. Other points of agenda are most welcome.
1. Can some one suggest / arrange / contribute a place for the meeting ?
2. We can also have a cup of tea with biscuits, only while discussions.
With kind Regards to one and all,
Krishan Mitroo
Trustee - ECAT.
9971144399 (After Aug 12, 2011 since presently I am traveling)
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Sir,
I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group.
Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free.
Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant KshirsagarOn Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves issues of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically where the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the house for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in Uniform and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior & important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that, "We have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with services provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his address, I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement regarding level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS, it may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could be satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including AG, Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census from all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise individual's security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought the information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary supported me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in involving the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have smaller application.
Comments are still welcome.
With best regards,
Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
kmitroo@gmaill.com
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat the RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to High/ Supreme Court is required.
--- On Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PMHi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singhOn Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
Re: [HumJanenge] HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING BY MRS. A. DIXIT, IC
If the same is not in accordance to phone discussion ask in writing details of conversation and same is not correct than file complaint against IC before CIC
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:37 AM, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Sir, (1)can an IC force the applicant to decide the case by telephone hearing under the provisions of RTI Act.(2) does RTI Act provides for telephonic hearing. (3) if both are not allowed then what action can be taken against the IC for illegal act. beniwal 09958374781
--- On Fri, 29/7/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [HumJanenge] HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING BY MRS. A. DIXIT, IC
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 5:18 AM
Dear Shri Sharama,
I appalaud your strong action. Such action by more applicants are desired. For a long time, the charge of golden key to open the cup board of justice are being levelled by some activists. I shall some questionable action and decisons in my case by Mrs. Dixit, IC shortly. They belong to her decision about pass port office and All India Radio
Please do not circulate this pre-maturely.
On Thu, 28/7/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Fwd: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 9:00 PM---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mani Ram Sharma <maniramsharma@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:50 PM
Subject: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
To: CIC Ad <adixit@nic.in>Mani Ram Sharma,
ADVOCATE
Nakul Niwas, Behind Roadways Depot,
Sardarshahar -331 403-7
District: Churu ( Raj)
Email: maniramsharma@gmail.com
Dated: 28th Jul, 2011
Smt. Annapurna Dixit,
Information Commissioner,
Central Information Commission,
New Delhi
Madam,
HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
With reference to your revised notice dated 13.07.11 in the said cause I wish to request you that I have waited for the proposed hearing till 4.40 PM but no call has been received from your end. The matter was posted for hearing on 13.07.11 earlier and then adjourned for 28.07.11 at 4.00PM. It was advised that you have overstayed in the earlier hearing in Full Bench. I think there might be some powerful party involved in the said full bench case and more than sufficient opportunity had been afforded to that powerful party.
After all a call was received at about 6.10 PM for the purpose and the same was disconnected by you after a short hearing of 4 minutes. You were found patient less in the frontline of defence of the respondent PIO Delhi High Court .While trying to call you from my cellphone the same was not attended by you. Though I have already submitted my submission per email.
Please recapitulate that my three cases against PIO Supreme Court were scheduled for hearing on 18.07.11 and a time of 15 minutes (total 45 minutes) was allotted (transcript of audio is enclosed for your ready reference and recapitulation) for each of the case but you were in very hurry to hear the cases and allowed only total time of 17 minutes to all the cases. All this gives message to the citizens that lock of the wardrobe of justice in Central Information Commission can be opened with a golden key only. This unearths the dualistic and masqueraded role of Commission.
Yours truly
(Mani Ram Sharma)
Friday, July 29, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
IF YOUR SUBJECT IS RELATED TO LARGER PUBLIC INTEREST, CAN CONTACT ME AT 09359724625.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY CHARGES OR THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY PRE-CONDITIONS.
BIMAL
BIMAL
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Sir,
I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group.
Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free.
Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves issues of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically where the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the house for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in Uniform and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior & important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that, "We have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with services provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his address, I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement regarding level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS, it may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could be satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including AG, Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census from all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise individual's security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought the information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary supported me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in involving the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have smaller application.
Comments are still welcome.
With best regards,
Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
kmitroo@gmaill.com
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat the RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to High/ Supreme Court is required.
--- On Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PM
Hi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singh
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
Dear Hemant
This group has very low bandwidth (we encourage as FEW emails as possible so not to irritate our members), so you have to be very specific while asking for help, AND you must be willing to learn / research RTI Act on your own (self study).
The rtiindia.org website is a much better place to ask RTI drafting queries because they are a FORUM instead of an email list like this one.
Sarbajit
This group has very low bandwidth (we encourage as FEW emails as possible so not to irritate our members), so you have to be very specific while asking for help, AND you must be willing to learn / research RTI Act on your own (self study).
The rtiindia.org website is a much better place to ask RTI drafting queries because they are a FORUM instead of an email list like this one.
Sarbajit
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Sir,
I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group.
Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free.
Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant KshirsagarOn Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves issues of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically where the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the house for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in Uniform and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior & important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that, "We have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with services provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his address, I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement regarding level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS, it may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could be satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including AG, Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census from all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise individual's security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought the information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary supported me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in involving the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have smaller application.
Comments are still welcome.
With best regards,
Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
kmitroo@gmaill.com
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat the RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to High/ Supreme Court is required.
--- On Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PMHi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singhOn Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
Re: [HumJanenge]
| I agree with Shri Sarabjit Roy. Remind the purchase once more and if there is no response within the given period, may be 15 days, the purchaser will not be able to do anything tangible if you sell this to another party. --- On Fri, 29/7/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Fwd: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
| When the applicant is willing to attend the hearin in person, why he should be force to testify on phone through audio recording. I came to know that the record of submission through video recordings can be refered at a later date. Applicants should not be forced for AC. Videp conferencing is useful for outstation applicants. Applicant should be given an option to give their submissions either personally or through video conferencing while issuing the notice of hearing of second appeal. In case, an applicant is not willing in both, matter should be decided on the basis of documents available on record. Submissions on phone can easily be left without consideration and a claim cannot be made as there is no record. no body can mamanipulated I doubt that the Audio Conference can withstand scrutiny of law in appeals if any party claims that his submissions have not been properly recorded or they have not been given appropriate time for making the submission. I request Shri Sarabjit Roy to give his opinion about the legality of AC. This is a serious matter and more serious is Mr. Mani Ram Sharma's observation "that lock of the wardrobe of justice in Central Information Commission can be opened with a golden key only. This unearths the dualistic and masqueraded role of Commission". We must request to Shri Satyananada Mishra, Chief IC to stop forced forced AC forthwith. While the public is fighting against the corruption, CIC is inventing new practices which can be a matter of debate and unacceptable to the public. New practices to make RTI ineffective are being invented by all - Public Authorities, SIC's and others. I shall soon share my good and bad experinces with this registry. On Thu, 28/7/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge]
Agreement is NO authority for Sale. As long as you have not registered a SALE DEED with the Registering Authority the land is yours. NOBODY can lay a claim on it. He has to worry about the advance given to you as you now have both the money & Land. I only hope you have not given him POSSESSION, in which case you will have to evict him.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Bala A <balanaidu.akkana@gmail.com> wrote:
Dears, i need legal advice for the below issue. I wanted to sale a
land and got advance then wrote sale agreement, in that mentioned if
we dropped, we need pay the advance. If opposite person dropped, he
has to loose his advance. Now agreement date got over, opposite side
not coming for registration. They knows date over due(2 weeks). How to
follow from my side.we have tried to inform thru mediator, but no
respose.
--
*Thanks & Regards
Bala *
Thursday, July 28, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge]
Please send a legal notice. If you dont get a reply from mthe party before 30 days, on the 31st day, you can sell the property to another. There's no law that binds you. At the same time, please ensure whether the party was in good health and not hospitalised. If he or she had been hospitalised then you have to wait till he recovers and approaches you.
Thanks
Re: [HumJanenge] HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING BY MRS. A. DIXIT, IC
| Sir, (1)can an IC force the applicant to decide the case by telephone hearing under the provisions of RTI Act.(2) does RTI Act provides for telephonic hearing. (3) if both are not allowed then what action can be taken against the IC for illegal act. beniwal 09958374781 --- On Fri, 29/7/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
Respected Sir,
I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group.
Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free.
Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group.
Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free.
Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves issues of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically where the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the house for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in Uniform and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior & important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that, "We have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with services provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his address, I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement regarding level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS, it may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could be satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including AG, Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census from all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise individual's security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought the information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary supported me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in involving the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have smaller application.
Comments are still welcome.
With best regards,
Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
kmitroo@gmaill.com
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat the RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to High/ Supreme Court is required.
--- On Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PMHi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singhOn Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
Re: [HumJanenge] Fwd: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
1) There is something rotten with IC(AD) - starting with her basic qualification for the post of IC.
2) There is something rotten with the legality if Audio-Conferencing, considering that it was rushed through by the fountainhead o all corruption/ad-hocism in CIC as recorded in CIC MoM dared 20.03.2007 without any serious attempts at legal scrutiny whatsoever. The first principle of natural justice requires that every party should be able to study the other party's evidence and confront him so as to disprove him. AudioConf quite clearly does not meet this standard - which is why AD's corrupt munchkins like to use it so much.
Sarbajit
2) There is something rotten with the legality if Audio-Conferencing, considering that it was rushed through by the fountainhead o all corruption/ad-hocism in CIC as recorded in CIC MoM dared 20.03.2007 without any serious attempts at legal scrutiny whatsoever. The first principle of natural justice requires that every party should be able to study the other party's evidence and confront him so as to disprove him. AudioConf quite clearly does not meet this standard - which is why AD's corrupt munchkins like to use it so much.
Sarbajit
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:57 PM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is something rotten in IC ADs registry. I have received 3 separate complaints within a period of 15 days that hearings are offered via AC - even when appellants/complainants have not requested the same. In all the 3 cases, the appellants/complainants claim that calls never came. When they called back IC ADs registry, they were told that calls were made but there was no response and that matters were decided based on available records.Immediately afterwards, I was also offered AC for a second appeal where I had clearly mentioned in capital letters / bold font / big point size - that hearing only in person or through VC.Now 4 instances in 15 days is bit too much of a coincidence !And then this.PS: Has anyone tried to seek permission from any IC in the CIC or SIC to record the audio or video of the hearing ? If yes, what was the response ?RTIwanted
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:00 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Fwd: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mani Ram Sharma <maniramsharma@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:50 PM
Subject: HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCING
To: CIC Ad <adixit@nic.in>Mani Ram Sharma,ADVOCATENakul Niwas, Behind Roadways Depot,Sardarshahar -331 403-7District: Churu ( Raj)Email: maniramsharma@gmail.comDated: 28th Jul, 2011Smt. Annapurna Dixit,Information Commissioner,Central Information Commission,New DelhiMadam,HEARING IN CIC/SM/A/2011/000106:THROUGH AUDIO CONFERENCINGWith reference to your revised notice dated 13.07.11 in the said cause I wish to request you that I have waited for the proposed hearing till 4.40 PM but no call has been received from your end. The matter was posted for hearing on 13.07.11 earlier and then adjourned for 28.07.11 at 4.00PM. It was advised that you have overstayed in the earlier hearing in Full Bench. I think there might be some powerful party involved in the said full bench case and more than sufficient opportunity had been afforded to that powerful party.After all a call was received at about 6.10 PM for the purpose and the same was disconnected by you after a short hearing of 4 minutes. You were found patient less in the frontline of defence of the respondent PIO Delhi High Court .While trying to call you from my cellphone the same was not attended by you. Though I have already submitted my submission per email.Please recapitulate that my three cases against PIO Supreme Court were scheduled for hearing on 18.07.11 and a time of 15 minutes (total 45 minutes) was allotted (transcript of audio is enclosed for your ready reference and recapitulation) for each of the case but you were in very hurry to hear the cases and allowed only total time of 17 minutes to all the cases. All this gives message to the citizens that lock of the wardrobe of justice in Central Information Commission can be opened with a golden key only. This unearths the dualistic and masqueraded role of Commission.Yours truly(Mani Ram Sharma)
Re: [HumJanenge]
There are risks associated with entering into a fresh sale agreement with a third party until the period of limitation is over. The first hurdle is to see whether the buyer is accepting service of legal notice or not.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote:
Since the period is already over you can do 2 things01. Just simply inform him that the agreement to sale is no more operational, tell him you advance money stand confiscated and you are free now free to enter any other contract of sale with any other party, if you think that the land prices has escalated and you can earn more.02. If you want to go ahead with the previous sale agreement, do as advised by Sarabjit.But in both the cases the onus is on you to inform the party this way or the other, before proceeding further.--
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:1) Issue a legal notice through advocate IMMEDIATELY.
2) Your remedy presumably lies via demanding SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE of the sale agreement.On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Bala A <balanaidu.akkana@gmail.com> wrote:
Dears, i need legal advice for the below issue. I wanted to sale a
land and got advance then wrote sale agreement, in that mentioned if
we dropped, we need pay the advance. If opposite person dropped, he
has to loose his advance. Now agreement date got over, opposite side
not coming for registration. They knows date over due(2 weeks). How to
follow from my side.we have tried to inform thru mediator, but no
respose.
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*Thanks & Regards
Bala *
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Surendera M. Bhanot
- President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh
- Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
- CEO, Avis Graphix, Chandigarh
- Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
- Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
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PHONE: 91-172-3013240
FAX: 91-172-2655763
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