Saturday, January 14, 2012

RE: [HumJanenge]

thank you

Sateesh Kuthiala

> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:45:29 +0530
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> The RTI Act is intended only for those citizens who desire to receive
> information from the State (and its instrumentalities).
>
> In the event that a (unincorporated) group of citizens wish to
> collectively apply for information, they can certainly do so provide
> that each one of them pays Rs. 10 as application fee to receive a
> single copy of the information desired. So if say 8 citizens apply
> then they must pay Rs. 80 as application fee. Then whereas they shall
> get a single copy of the information against further fees (multiple
> copies at prescribed copying fees) they are then entitled to file upto
> 8 separate first appeals and 8 separate 2nd appeals individually.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 1/15/12, brig sateesh kuthiala <kuthiala27@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If an individual is afraid to be identified out of fear from the org being
> > questioned can a number of individuals (citizens) jointly file an RTI
> > application?
> >
> > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:29:25 +0530
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]
> > From: rtitrap@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > CC: acfanand@gmail.com
> >
> > Please go thro point no. 17 from the following link
> >
> > http://circulars.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02rti/1_4_2009-IR.pdf
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Freinds,
> >
> > Long before Karnataka Information Commission has passed order that the
> > NGO's can seek information by using their letter heards. Can somebody
> >
> > give the case number as the same is needed badly for me.
> >
> > --
> > Anand S.
> > Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
> > Bangalore 560 085.
> > Cell No. +91-87928-91066
> >
> >
> >
> >

[HumJanenge] Properties of Political Parties

By now the political parties in India might have  accumulated more wealth by movable and immovable properties. In the name of Trusts etc.,

Will any activists collect the details of this properties in last five years IE the properties in 2000, 2005 and 2010 and 2012., method of collection who is the largest contributor, does any politician or party bought immovable properties abroad in the name of trust, the activities of the trusts owned by the political parties, and these trusts, how it helped the society etc.

Of-course this is a long process and it may take a year or two.

If some one bring the clear picture that will give a opinion about the so called public servants to the innocent public, who hopes that the rulers and would be rulers will do good for them

Re: [HumJanenge]

The RTI Act is intended only for those citizens who desire to receive
information from the State (and its instrumentalities).

In the event that a (unincorporated) group of citizens wish to
collectively apply for information, they can certainly do so provide
that each one of them pays Rs. 10 as application fee to receive a
single copy of the information desired. So if say 8 citizens apply
then they must pay Rs. 80 as application fee. Then whereas they shall
get a single copy of the information against further fees (multiple
copies at prescribed copying fees) they are then entitled to file upto
8 separate first appeals and 8 separate 2nd appeals individually.

Sarbajit

On 1/15/12, brig sateesh kuthiala <kuthiala27@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If an individual is afraid to be identified out of fear from the org being
> questioned can a number of individuals (citizens) jointly file an RTI
> application?
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:29:25 +0530
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]
> From: rtitrap@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> CC: acfanand@gmail.com
>
> Please go thro point no. 17 from the following link
>
> http://circulars.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02rti/1_4_2009-IR.pdf
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Freinds,
>
> Long before Karnataka Information Commission has passed order that the
> NGO's can seek information by using their letter heards. Can somebody
>
> give the case number as the same is needed badly for me.
>
> --
> Anand S.
> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
> Bangalore 560 085.
> Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>
>
>
>

RE: [HumJanenge]

If an individual is afraid to be identified out of fear from the org being questioned can a number of individuals (citizens) jointly file an RTI application?


Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:29:25 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]
From: rtitrap@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
CC: acfanand@gmail.com

Please go thro point no. 17 from the following link
 
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Freinds,

Long before Karnataka Information Commission has passed order that the
NGO's can seek information by using their letter heards. Can somebody
give the case number as the same is needed badly for me.

--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066

Re: [HumJanenge] RTI chapter included in schools and colleges of Haryana

The action of Haryana Govt. is to be welcomed. This action promotes people centered administrativ e culture among the new generation who will be the future beaurocrats. 
This is to be implemented in all States.We are to press for that. Regards,
KNKNamboodiri

On 9 January 2012 07:31, Mukund Apte <mdapte@gmail.com> wrote:
 
      Dear Sir,
      Why are we loading the youngsters with more topics? Soon they will feel heavily loaded (with last stick on a camel's back). Instead make them practice Raaj-Yog Medictation regularly with current load. They will mentally flourish as Bhaarateey students. You will have all the qualities in them that you wish.
      With regards to all,
      ------Mukund Apte

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:18 AM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

RTI chapter included in schools and colleges of Haryana

Chandigarh, Jan 7 – Haryana Education Department will add a chapter on Right to Information (RTI) Act, 2005 in curricula of schools and colleges.
While stating this here today, Haryana Chief Secretary, Mrs Urvashi Gulati  said that  this was one of the several steps taken to make the administration transparent and making people, especially the younger generation aware  to take advantage of  RTI Act .  She said that with a view to promoting openness, transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority, the Right to Information Act, 2005 had fully been implemented in Haryana State.
A web-site was being developed to facilitate the general public to file applications for obtaining information under RTI Act, 2005.  RTI Cell had been created in the office of the Chief Secretary to Government of Haryana. Its main function was to coordinate RTI work with other departments.
She said that almost all the departments had designated their Nodal PIO who would coordinate with other PIOs of the department to ensure effective implementation of web based RTI system. HIPA was directed to publish a User Guide which was an easily comprehensible form in English and Hindi languages and to publish a directory of SPIOs, ASPIOs, first Appellate Authorities. Both the documents had been published by them and placed on the website of HIPA as well as State website. Information and Public Relation Department had been directed to promote the usage of RTI Act in masses through posters and advertisements through mass media. Besides this, a website had been launched to place all  rules, regulation and instructions relating to Administrative Reforms Department.
Mrs Gulati said that all departments of the State had been directed to prepare their Citizens' Charters to improve performance in service delivery as well as to provide service which meets people's needs. The Citizens' Charters of 111 Departments and organizations had so far been formulated and the charters of the remaining department and organizations were in the process of being framed. The concerned departments and organizations had been directed to display the citizens' charters on the notice boards of their offices at all levels. They had also been asked to adopt other suitable means such as annual report, press, consumer groups and website etc. to bring the Citizens' charter to the notice of the public.
Mrs Gulati said that the Haryana Administrative Reforms Commission had submitted three reports namely District Administration, Public Works Departments and Panchayati Raj Institutions which were under active consideration of the Haryana Government.
She said that every citizen has right to claim delivery of services from the Government in a prompt, efficient and time bound manner. Therefore, instructions were issued to all Head of Departments and other concerned in the State to implement a scheme for provision of 15 sets of services that include a total of 36 identified services to the Citizens' in a time bound manner in the first phase.
She said that in most of the departments and organizations nodal officers for the Citizens' Charters have been got designated and they have been directed to look into the cases of non-fulfillment of the charters commitments. Food Inspector or the  Assistant Food and Supply Officer of the concerned district had been designated for the monitoring of the scheme for services to be rendered by Food and Supplies Department and District Food and Supplies Controller would be the authority for receiving complaints. The  services to be rendered by Food and Supplies Department and their time limits  included issue of ration card in 15 days, issue of ration card on receipt of surrender certificate in seven days, issue of duplicate ration card in seven days, inclusion of family member name in ration card in seven days, deletion of  family member name in ration card in seven days, change of address with same jurisdiction in three days, change of address including change of FPS in three days and issue of surrender certificate in one day.
She said that Tehsildar had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Revenue department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Sub Divisional Officer(c). The Revenue Department services all of which would be delivered in a time limit of seven days would be issue of SC certificate, issue of BC certificate, issue of OBC certificate, issue of resident or domicile certificate, issue of tapriwas or vimukt jatti certificate, issue of income certificate and  issue of rural area certificate. However, Revenue Department's service of registration of property or land which was HARIS related services would be delivered in one day and sanction of mutation of land and providing copies of land records would be delivered in a time limit of 15 days and five days respectively.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Civil) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Transport Regulatory (Registering and Licencing Authority) and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner of the concerned district. The services which would be delivered by the Transport Department in time limit of five days included issuances of Learner's License. All other services which would be delivered in time limit of seven days would be issuance of permanent driving license, renewal of driving license, issuance of duplicate driving license, endorsement of new class in driving license, issuance of conductor license, registration of new vehicles (Vahan), transfer of ownership, issuance of NOC and issuance of duplicate Registration Certificate.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Electricity) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Power Department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Executive Engineer (DISCOM). The services of Power Department which would be rendered in 30 days time limit would be release of new electricity connection, release of temporary electricity connection and enhancement of electricity load.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Public Health and Engineering Department) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Public Health Engineering Department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Executive Engineer (Public Health Engineering Department). The Public Health Engineering Department would provide its services of new water connection and sewerage connection in 12 days time limit.
She said that Executive Officer of the concerned municipality had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Municipalities and Health Department  and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner and Chief Medical Officer. The Health and Municipal Committees services of issuance of birth certificate after registration and issuance of death certificate would be rendered in time limit of three days.
She said that Executive Officer of the concerned municipality or HUDA had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Municipalities and HUDA  and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner.   The Municipalities and HUDA's service of approval of building plans would be rendered in 25 days.
All Heads of departments and organizations had been asked to conduct annual internal and external review of the Citizens' charter at regular intervals and to intimate the feedback on the initiatives to the Administrative Reforms Department.




--
      With regards to all,
      ------Mukund Apte



--
K.N.K.Namboodiri
Choma Elamon Mana,
Chathakulam-PO
Poruvazhi-,Kollam Dist
Pin 690520
Mob.9447470073

[HumJanenge] RTI chapter included in schools and colleges of Haryana

Mrs Urvashi Gulati  will be doing an appreciable work by introducing Right to Information Act, 2005. She is requested to conduct concurrent evaluation of this Act in the state.

Just to inform her and general readers that Maharishi Dayanand University (MDU), Rohtak
is not ready to give information to then effect that when would those who passed B.Ed examination in 2009 get their degree. This is the fact after filing twice the RTI in this regard.

Secondly, all public bodies should charge Rs. Ten as the RTI application fee and not Rs. 50/- or Rs. 100/- as they like.

Dr. H.D.Goyal
rtidewarka@yahoo.co.in
(M) 9312881883

--- On Mon, 9/1/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [HumJanenge] RTI chapter included in schools and colleges of Haryana
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, 9 January, 2012, 6:18 AM

RTI chapter included in schools and colleges of Haryana

Chandigarh, Jan 7 – Haryana Education Department will add a chapter on Right to Information (RTI) Act, 2005 in curricula of schools and colleges.
While stating this here today, Haryana Chief Secretary, Mrs Urvashi Gulati  said that  this was one of the several steps taken to make the administration transparent and making people, especially the younger generation aware  to take advantage of  RTI Act .  She said that with a view to promoting openness, transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority, the Right to Information Act, 2005 had fully been implemented in Haryana State.
A web-site was being developed to facilitate the general public to file applications for obtaining information under RTI Act, 2005.  RTI Cell had been created in the office of the Chief Secretary to Government of Haryana. Its main function was to coordinate RTI work with other departments.
She said that almost all the departments had designated their Nodal PIO who would coordinate with other PIOs of the department to ensure effective implementation of web based RTI system. HIPA was directed to publish a User Guide which was an easily comprehensible form in English and Hindi languages and to publish a directory of SPIOs, ASPIOs, first Appellate Authorities. Both the documents had been published by them and placed on the website of HIPA as well as State website. Information and Public Relation Department had been directed to promote the usage of RTI Act in masses through posters and advertisements through mass media. Besides this, a website had been launched to place all  rules, regulation and instructions relating to Administrative Reforms Department.
Mrs Gulati said that all departments of the State had been directed to prepare their Citizens' Charters to improve performance in service delivery as well as to provide service which meets people's needs. The Citizens' Charters of 111 Departments and organizations had so far been formulated and the charters of the remaining department and organizations were in the process of being framed. The concerned departments and organizations had been directed to display the citizens' charters on the notice boards of their offices at all levels. They had also been asked to adopt other suitable means such as annual report, press, consumer groups and website etc. to bring the Citizens' charter to the notice of the public.
Mrs Gulati said that the Haryana Administrative Reforms Commission had submitted three reports namely District Administration, Public Works Departments and Panchayati Raj Institutions which were under active consideration of the Haryana Government.
She said that every citizen has right to claim delivery of services from the Government in a prompt, efficient and time bound manner. Therefore, instructions were issued to all Head of Departments and other concerned in the State to implement a scheme for provision of 15 sets of services that include a total of 36 identified services to the Citizens' in a time bound manner in the first phase.
She said that in most of the departments and organizations nodal officers for the Citizens' Charters have been got designated and they have been directed to look into the cases of non-fulfillment of the charters commitments. Food Inspector or the  Assistant Food and Supply Officer of the concerned district had been designated for the monitoring of the scheme for services to be rendered by Food and Supplies Department and District Food and Supplies Controller would be the authority for receiving complaints. The  services to be rendered by Food and Supplies Department and their time limits  included issue of ration card in 15 days, issue of ration card on receipt of surrender certificate in seven days, issue of duplicate ration card in seven days, inclusion of family member name in ration card in seven days, deletion of  family member name in ration card in seven days, change of address with same jurisdiction in three days, change of address including change of FPS in three days and issue of surrender certificate in one day.
She said that Tehsildar had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Revenue department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Sub Divisional Officer(c). The Revenue Department services all of which would be delivered in a time limit of seven days would be issue of SC certificate, issue of BC certificate, issue of OBC certificate, issue of resident or domicile certificate, issue of tapriwas or vimukt jatti certificate, issue of income certificate and  issue of rural area certificate. However, Revenue Department's service of registration of property or land which was HARIS related services would be delivered in one day and sanction of mutation of land and providing copies of land records would be delivered in a time limit of 15 days and five days respectively.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Civil) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Transport Regulatory (Registering and Licencing Authority) and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner of the concerned district. The services which would be delivered by the Transport Department in time limit of five days included issuances of Learner's License. All other services which would be delivered in time limit of seven days would be issuance of permanent driving license, renewal of driving license, issuance of duplicate driving license, endorsement of new class in driving license, issuance of conductor license, registration of new vehicles (Vahan), transfer of ownership, issuance of NOC and issuance of duplicate Registration Certificate.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Electricity) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Power Department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Executive Engineer (DISCOM). The services of Power Department which would be rendered in 30 days time limit would be release of new electricity connection, release of temporary electricity connection and enhancement of electricity load.
She said that Sub Divisional Officer (Public Health and Engineering Department) of the concerned district had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Public Health Engineering Department and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Executive Engineer (Public Health Engineering Department). The Public Health Engineering Department would provide its services of new water connection and sewerage connection in 12 days time limit.
She said that Executive Officer of the concerned municipality had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Municipalities and Health Department  and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner and Chief Medical Officer. The Health and Municipal Committees services of issuance of birth certificate after registration and issuance of death certificate would be rendered in time limit of three days.
She said that Executive Officer of the concerned municipality or HUDA had been designated for monitoring the services to be provided by Municipalities and HUDA  and the authority for receiving the complaints would be Additional Deputy Commissioner.   The Municipalities and HUDA's service of approval of building plans would be rendered in 25 days.
All Heads of departments and organizations had been asked to conduct annual internal and external review of the Citizens' charter at regular intervals and to intimate the feedback on the initiatives to the Administrative Reforms Department.

Friday, January 13, 2012

[HumJanenge] Low rate of hearing based disposal by the Odisha Information threatens the RTI regime in the state

Low  rate of hearing based disposal  by the Odisha Information threatens the RTI regime in the state as a whole

 

Dear friends,

On 17.11.2011, I had submitted an RTI Application to the office of Odisha Information Commission to know about the nos. of cases heard and disposed by the Commission from January to November, 2011. The information supplied by the office of the Commission is mentioned below.  Earlier, I have made an analysis of how the arbitrary, unilateral disposal of the cases by the Commission has resulted in widespread disappointment and anger among the RTI Activists in the state. Now I like to bring to your notice how  the Commission has been too slow in respect of hearing of the cases and their disposal, resulting in   growing pendency of  unheard cases.

 

Details of cases heard and disposed by the Commission within period  Jan to Nov. 2011

 

Month of 2011

Odisha Chief Information Commisssioner

Mr. Jagadanand, SIC

Mr. Pramod Ku. Mohanty, SIC

 

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases heard

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases disposed

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases heard

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases disposed

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases heard

No. of Complaint and Second Appeal  cases disposed

 

1

2

3

4

5

6

Jan to Nov.2011 ( 11 months)

1469

704

1712

849

1272

490

 

Analysis

a.       From the above table, it is learnt that Mr. Jagadanand has heard and disposed of highest number of cases  in comparison to  other two  Commissioners.

b.      If we take monthly hearing and disposal of cases by each Commissioner, the finding is as follows.

Name of the Commissioner

Average Monthly  hearing of the cases

Average Monthly disposal of the cases

Mr. Tarun Kanti Mishra, SCIC

133

64

Mr. Jagadanand, SIC

155

77

Mr. Pramod Mohanty, SIC

115

44

 

c.       If we make  analysis of nos. of cases heard and disposed  by the Commission per day ( average 20  days is taken for hearing  per month),  the picture is as follows-

 

Name of the Commissioner

Average hearing of the cases per day

Average   disposal of the cases per day.

Mr. Tarun Kanti Mishra, SCIC

6.5

3.2

Mr. Jagadanand, SIC

7.75

3.85

Mr. Pramod Mohanty, SIC

5.75

2.2

 

d.      It shows how the Information Commissioners are hearing such minimal number of cases (5 to 7 number of cases per day). As it is seen, the Commission takes just two to three hours to hear 7 no. of cases in a day. 

e.      As we know, the primary duty of Information Commission as per the RTI Act  is to hear  and dispose the cases.   Anyone can notice that the daily session on the hearing of cases by the Commission gets over by 12.30 or at maximum by 1 o'clock.  God knows, what the Commissioners do and how they spend rest of time every working day..  It needs to be mentioned here that to facilitate their administrative work, the Commission has engaged a total of 40  staffs  in the office i.e., highest in the country.

 

f.        We also see that the Information Commissioners are seen spending a lot of   time to address so-called seminar and workshops on non-RTI issues as Chief Guest or Chief speaker   organized by NGOs. .

 

g.       For hearing and disposal of the cases, each Commissioner receives  more than  Rs. 1,50,000 towards salary per month excluding other perks. If we calculate all the expenses  made for the Commissioners in a month, it will be around Rs 2 lakh per head.  Thus we are paying more than Rs. 6,000/- per head per day.  On calculation it is found that  a Commissioner takes Rs. 2000/-   for disposal of a case, which is certainly a huge amount in the country.   It deserves to be mentioned here that while a Commissioner in Odisha disposes average 65 cases per month,  a Central Information Commissioner does dispose 250 to 350 cases per month. A glaring difference in deed!

 

 A lethargic work habit coupled with inefficiency   of the Commissioners has led to staggering rise of pendency of cases  in the state. Under the circumstances squandering of a huge amount from state exchequer  after the upkeep of such a Commission has proved a great burden on the people of the state. If anybody has doubt on my findings, , I welcome them to respond accordingly, and let there be a genuine discourse  around it   in the larger interest of the state.

 

 

Pradip Pradhan

M-99378-43482

 

Re: [HumJanenge]

Please go thro point no. 17 from the following link
 
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Freinds,

Long before Karnataka Information Commission has passed order that the
NGO's can seek information by using their letter heards. Can somebody
give the case number as the same is needed badly for me.

--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Thanks Ketan.No comments.
Rgds
Bunch


From: Ketan Modi <modiketan@rediffmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Dear Mr. Bunch
I fully agree with you that there is no degree for practicing RTI Act. However, your attention is drawn towards Advocates Act that one need not be a degree holder to appear before a court and defend a prosecution. Anyone can appear especially if he is capable of doing so. As far as my case is concern, the article on which the moderator has relied upon therein I had categorically stated that I do not charge any fees from aggrieved citizens. In fact I have filed several application in public interest. The latest one being on the way Mumbai Building Repairs and Reconstruction Board which functions under MHADA. My application sent by Speed Post returned with remarks Refused written by the Postman. Then I requested a journalist friend of mine from Times to accompany me. We went to the Chief Officer's office and the reporter sent his card and within seconds we were ushered in. Then I was introduced as a senior journalist (currently not attached to any media organisation - this is for the benefit of the moderator. I had asked the CO why his office was refusing to accept RTI application sent by post. His response was "it is not done. RTI is sacro sanct." Then I handed over the unopened cover and told him to see it himself. Immediately he asked other officer to get the application acknowledged and the same has been transferred to 15 Executive Engineers. The content sought vide this application pertains to inferior quality repair works done from the cess money collected from tenanted cessed building most of which contain Burma Teak which worth gold. The contractor-officer nexus steals these Burma Teak and leaves the buildings in precarious conditions. This is my third attempt in getting the information. In earlier two attempts the officers were scared to have received such an application and some of them complemented me for raising the information queries. However, none preferred to respond. So this time I have also served them with a notice that if they failed in responding to the application I shall move Consumer Forum and shall ask for compensation from all 15 officers for enforcing litigation and not abiding by the statute. I am sure moderator will also find this as a case of blackmailing through RTI. Well I am proud that I have gained experienced which I am sharing with others and some of those, hardly 2% are from business community who cannot rub the shoulders of the authority wrong way so they take my service and some have actually told me that what you have done could not be achieved even by my lawyers. So if they are willing to share happily I charge. But for the moderator I shall still remain a blackmailer who is blackmailing wrong doers.
Jai Hind
Ketan Modi

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:51:57 +0530 wrote
>Fantastic. It proves that India is not only the country of self seekers it has enough children to create and leave a better India before they depart, I have a strong believe they can not fail.
>Jai Hind
>Bharat Mata Ki Jai
>AK MazumderSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelFrom: raja bunch
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:58:18 +0530 (IST)To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers
>I wish to add something more. Is the person/question in context is filing RTI in public interest? To become a RTI activist, has the government floated/conferred any diploma/degree like MBBS/CA etc( Recognised) where RTI activist can practice such a profession.I personally have ever charged for guiding any one.Apoligies if anyone is offended,Warm regardsBunch
From: Milind Kotak
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Hi :
There is no law in the country that a RTI Professional cannot charge. If the most nobles of Professional like a Doctor can charge, a lawyer can charge then why cannot a RTI Professional charge. This is my opinion and I do not intend to enter into debate. Also I respect the other person's opinion.

Regards
Milind Kotak


On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Ketan Modi wrote:

Mr. Roy,



Thanks for the verbal diatribe wherein you have recalled my polyester import scam articles in Indian Express. For your information, there were five articles published in five days. The articles were based on my personal investigations with seven trips to Ahmedabad including one trip to Mumbai- Ahmedabad-Gandhidham-Okha-Mundra-New Delhi and one trip to Mumbai-Gandhidham-New Delhi for which I had incurred expenses to the tune of Rs.60,000=00 all expenses inclusive. Of this amount Express did not allow me expenses to the Tune of Rs.12,000 because the expenses were incurred incognito.


About your observation that no credible newspaper is willing to take me, let me assure you I have served nearly a dozen of them and it was me who had told the boss to run the paper without me. Today I claim that I am a Senior Journalist not attached to any media organisation because I have chosen not to join the bandwagon of the current media tribe (both print and audio visual).


About your respect for ANT, well you are free to have your views and me mine. However, you have preferred not to speak a word about treating transfer of application u/s 6(3) as fresh and seeking fresh fee emanates from your reading of the statute and interpretation thereof. Under which provisions of law did ANT and his colleagues on bench including SG, whom you have described as my old associate, have concluded this? Their approach was aimed at blocking of all the information/s from applicant.


About your observation that I gave a perfect opportunity to screw all RTI blackmailers is nothing but exposing the venereal skin disease on your thighs publicly. Besides, it also exposes your proximity to ANT. And your unilateral conclusion that SG is an old associate is baseless. One does not take old associates by their vital organs publicly and you have conveniently ignored it which was part of my posting.


And yes I am an RTI professional which the news article said. However, in the same article it was mentioned that I do not charge any fee if a citizen comes forward for personal grievances and does not get response. About the BSNL case, I am sure none of the corrupt government officers have stalled your money for six years. In that case a businessman who had supplied the organisation material was being harassed just because he refused to grease palms of these officers. When this businessman approached me I had told him that RTI was a perfect route and he should use it. He asked me whether I can do it and I explained that if I am to represent you I shall not bear the cost and I normally charge a specific amount if it is going to benefit you. Nothing was concealed from the businessman and he had offered that since a substantial amount was stalled for a period of six years, he was losing interest on it and had virtually written it of. But then he said
instead of paying me professional fee he would give me fifty percent. His work was done and he shared the money which hitherto he had written of. Now your observations are close to telling us that every government officer has inherited right to steal money and harass citizens. So if that is blackmailing I am proud to have blackmailed someone who want move his ass till his palms are greased in good measure and that is where Mr. Prabhu is not only right but is doing service to the nation and society both.


Your observation about vexatious and multiple application exhibits how fertile is your imagination. If there are more than one corrupt elements involved in a case of corruption we do not need you to preach us what to do. You may continue with your coloured thinking and let rest be spared of your wisdom. If you think RTI is used only by blackmailers, you too have claimed to be RTI Applicant/Appellant and you are the moderator of this forum. Hence you have assumed that only you are clean and rest of are all "ha....is" which was rightly pointed out by Mr. Prabhu. Your ex-pression of diarrhea express nothing saving your mental state. As for your observation on secular etc please inform the forum whether you had supported the Nandigram massacre and if so no wonder your tribe was thrown out by the most secular people who supported your tribe for nearly a quarter of a century. And those like you non-believers have conveniently ignored that your home state comes
to complete standstill during entire Puja period. So much for the political belief and personal acts of people like yourself. Yes you have used the correct phrase empty vessels make more noise and it appropriately fits you. I had not invited myself to this forum and once again exhort you to block my membership. Let me tell you one thing publicly that you have been emanating more poisonous pollutant gases which suffocates us so plug all those organs which are malfunctioning. I also wish to recall the old filmy song "Choron Ko Saare Nazar Aate Hai Chor." Good luck to your ANT bhakti and spare us from the continuous nonsense that you posting almost on per second basis. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu has done a great service to the society which through your dark glasses you see as black. If you still feel that we all a blackmailers, the other four fingers are pointed towards you.


Jai Hind

Ketan Modi



On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:01:47 +0530 wrote

>Dear Mr Modi







1) Till 04.06.2011 you did not know who I was. In fact you asked Mr.



Karira "Who is this S. Roy and what are his credentials, if you know



about it"



http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/members/karira-with-ketan+modi.html#vmessage3226







2) I OTH have known about you and your motivated articles in the



Indian Express (based mainly on handouts and selective leaks from



interested parties during the "polyester import" scams) for quite some



time.







3) It seems that nowadays no credible newspaper is willing to hire



you, so you describe yourself as "a senior journalist now not



affiliated to any media organisation". I am of course recalling from



memory your Full Bench CIC decision in Ketan Kantilal Modi versus CBEC



where Mr. A.N.Tiwari (ji) made a 'kachumber" of your submissions (and



your old associate Mr. Shailesh Gandhi could do nothing about it).



Knowing Mr. Tiwari's manner of drafting orders - the text of the Full



Bench leaves no doubt that he also considers you to be a egoistic



"corruption fighter / blackmailer" misuing RTI Act by filing vexatious



amd multiple RTI requests deliberately to the wrong PAs who deserves



to be taken down a notch (??) or two. In fact you gave Mr Tiwari-JI



the perfect opportunity to screw all RTI blackmailers like you who



abuse provisions of the RTI Act (such as 6.3)







4) It also seems that nowadays you have elevated yourself to an RTI



PROFESSIONAL" and you charge 50% of money you "recover" for



other.people by misusing RTI Act. Your M.O closely fits that of "RTI



blackmailers" whom Bhaskar had "defended" in that news report. It is



thus clear why "empty vessels make so much noise" and why "birds of a



feather flock together".







5) I also recall a news report quoting you



[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Need-to-file-an-RTI-expert-help-is-now-at-hand/articleshow/7937646.cms]




as saying







"For example, a client approached me after the Bharat Sanchar Nigam



Ltd (BSNL) failed to pay him for stationery he had supplied it till



2005. The amount was Rs 30,000 and the client offered me a 50% share



if the RTI route helped him get it. As soon as I filed the



application, the BSNL issued a cheque and the amount was split between



me and my client. I have now filed a second appeal seeking



compensation of an equivalent amount which will come to me. Even the



cost of litigation will be paid to me."







This is a real money making approach to RTI by all the banias (aka



"bapus" / Gandhis) etc masquerading as RTI activists, and honest /



secular citizens would have no hesitation in describing such persons



as TOUTS and a BLOT ('kalank' ) to all true RTI activists .







Sarbajit







On 1/8/12, Ketan Modi wrote:



> Dear All,



> In normal course I do not participate in such discussion and continue doing



> my



> work. But Mr. Roy is generally in a habit to engage people by extending and



> enforcing on us, unsuspecting citizens. In my 25 year life as a journo I



> have come



> across many Mr. Roys who likes to throw eggs on others at the slightest



> pretext.



> Now coming to his posting on Mr. Prabhu, I wish to clarify that he is a



> distinguished member of RTI community in Mumbai and Maharashtra. He has done



> a yeoman service when along with three other members he forced the state SIC



> to



> direct the MCGM not to charge for documents at whims and fancies and made



> the



> public authority to follow the rules in letter and spirit. It is because of



> Mr.



> Prabhu that today Mumbaikars pay only Rs.2 per page for obtaining property



> assessment documents for which prior to this order MCGM was charging a



> whopping



> Rs.260 per year.



> Now coming to the words "in defense of blackmailers" which Mr. Roy has



> preferred



> to anoint Mr. Prabhu with. Being a journalist, I had faced the similar music



> of



> being dubbed as a "blackmailer" by none other than Mr. Manmohan Singh, the



> so



> called most honest PM. The issue was that as the FM he had introduced a



> scheme



> called value based advance license which was subsequently deleted due to



> constant



> campaign against it by yours truly. In one of the news piece on a particular



> Joint



> DGFT who had issued Rs.400 crore worth of import license to import



> commodities



> free of customs duty without being authorised. CBI had booked him and he had



> told



> the investigators that he was related to Manmohan. I had inserted this in my



> news



> piece with full knowledge of the background of the case being briefed to my



> immediate superior. I had categorically mentioned that this officer claimed



> to be



> a relative of Manmohan but the latter was not involved in the scam. Next



> morning



> even as the paper hit the stand and delivered to Manmohan, after reading it



> he



> called up my editor and protested that I was blackmailing him. My editor a



> prominent name, shirked in his bed. He called up my resident editor and



> started



> shouting at him. He in turn shouted at my immediate superior whom I had kept



> in



> the loop before filing the story. This gent calls me to say that Manmohan



> has



> termed you as the blackmailer for writing what was published in the day's



> edition.



> On reaching office I went to my resident editor accompanied by my immediate



> boss



> and asked him "do you know the meaning of blackmaling?' He was stunned when



> I told



> him that blackmailing means you have done something wrong of which I learn



> and



> contact you directly or indirectly to ask for some favour in cash or kind.



> Both of



> you know that I had neither contacted Manmohan but had given him a clean



> chit.



> Both my bosses agreed with me that it was not a case of black mailing but



> inferiority complex that Manmohan suffered fearing inculpated in criminal



> cases.



> The scheme introduced by him known as VABAL was deleted because of rampant



> misuse



> by a few thousand importers causing losses to the tune of Rs.1 lakh crore



> and my



> campaign forced him to delete. In that case even Chidambaram had as next FM



> helped



> those who had misused the scheme through ill gotten double benefits by



> usurping



> the power of a central excise superintendent and writing of duty worth



> several



> crores. What is more intriguing is the CAG took notice of my news articles



> and



> concluded that nation lost lakhs of corers but in the next report ractified



> that



> there was no loss to the nation. I have narrated this story mainly for the



> benefit



> of the likes of Mr.Roys who probably genuinely believe that they are



> knowalls and



> they alone have powers to dub others with paints of their choice.



> Let me brief you more case of Mr. Roy's bias. He had terms former CIC ANT as



> one



> of the most honest and competent officers. Let me share my experience with



> all of



> you that ANT had in one of my case referred the second appeal to the full



> bench



> headed by the then CIC WH with SG thrown in. In my written submission I had



> pointed out the errors in ANT's order referring the matter to full bench.



> This



> made them feel black and blue and passed a 35 page order through which they



> changed the game by making transfer under 6(3) to be treated as a fresh



> application for which applicant was made to pay fresh fees. From where on



> earth



> these gentlemen had drawn powers to introduce something which even the



> legislature



> was not aware? And this order was subsequently cited as a preceding case law



> by



> all the ICs. Recently during an public interaction with SG when I had raised



> the



> issue he had no answer. He was also looking black and blue when I raised the



> issue



> of sticking to rules in letter and spirit while dealing with RTI Appellants



> who



> are not trained as professional lawyers. Even the Supreme Court waives



> technical



> lapses when the litigant is not represented by professionally trained



> people. I



> have experienced this even in Mumbai High Court.



> Hence instead of fighting for non-issues and dubbing all of us with choicest



> colours likes of Mr.Roys must concentrate on using the most potent weapon



> that



> this democracy has empowered us with and strengthen the same. By calling Mr.



> Prabhu or citing him being reported as a defender of black mailers, Mr. Roy



> has



> not only undermined the role of Mr. Prabhu but has exhibited his extra



> ordinary



> sense of being a ignorable pest. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu is a proud



> member of



> our community and deserves to be praised for what he is doing to the society



> and



> Mr. Roys must desist from using his tainted brush which describes ANT whose



> ego



> was hurt when his injudiciousness was pointed out to him.



> Jai Hind



> Ketan Modi





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Thursday, January 12, 2012

[HumJanenge]

Dear Freinds,

Long before Karnataka Information Commission has passed order that the
NGO's can seek information by using their letter heards. Can somebody
give the case number as the same is needed badly for me.

--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Dear Mr. Bunch
I fully agree with you that there is no degree for practicing RTI Act. However, your attention is drawn towards Advocates Act that one need not be a degree holder to appear before a court and defend a prosecution. Anyone can appear especially if he is capable of doing so. As far as my case is concern, the article on which the moderator has relied upon therein I had categorically stated that I do not charge any fees from aggrieved citizens. In fact I have filed several application in public interest. The latest one being on the way Mumbai Building Repairs and Reconstruction Board which functions under MHADA. My application sent by Speed Post returned with remarks Refused written by the Postman. Then I requested a journalist friend of mine from Times to accompany me. We went to the Chief Officer's office and the reporter sent his card and within seconds we were ushered in. Then I was introduced as a senior journalist (currently not attached to any media organisation - this is for the benefit of the moderator. I had asked the CO why his office was refusing to accept RTI application sent by post. His response was "it is not done. RTI is sacro sanct." Then I handed over the unopened cover and told him to see it himself. Immediately he asked other officer to get the application acknowledged and the same has been transferred to 15 Executive Engineers. The content sought vide this application pertains to inferior quality repair works done from the cess money collected from tenanted cessed building most of which contain Burma Teak which worth gold. The contractor-officer nexus steals these Burma Teak and leaves the buildings in precarious conditions. This is my third attempt in getting the information. In earlier two attempts the officers were scared to have received such an application and some of them complemented me for raising the information queries. However, none preferred to respond. So this time I have also served them with a notice that if they failed in responding to the application I shall move Consumer Forum and shall ask for compensation from all 15 officers for enforcing litigation and not abiding by the statute. I am sure moderator will also find this as a case of blackmailing through RTI. Well I am proud that I have gained experienced which I am sharing with others and some of those, hardly 2% are from business community who cannot rub the shoulders of the authority wrong way so they take my service and some have actually told me that what you have done could not be achieved even by my lawyers. So if they are willing to share happily I charge. But for the moderator I shall still remain a blackmailer who is blackmailing wrong doers.
Jai Hind
Ketan Modi

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:51:57 +0530 wrote
>Fantastic. It proves that India is not only the country of self seekers it has enough children to create and leave a better India before they depart, I have a strong believe they can not fail.
>Jai Hind
>Bharat Mata Ki Jai
>AK MazumderSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelFrom: raja bunch
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:58:18 +0530 (IST)To: humjanenge@googlegroups.comReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers
>I wish to add something more. Is the person/question in context is filing RTI in public interest? To become a RTI activist, has the government floated/conferred any diploma/degree like MBBS/CA etc( Recognised) where RTI activist can practice such a profession.I personally have ever charged for guiding any one.Apoligies if anyone is offended,Warm regardsBunch
From: Milind Kotak
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Hi :
There is no law in the country that a RTI Professional cannot charge. If the most nobles of Professional like a Doctor can charge, a lawyer can charge then why cannot a RTI Professional charge. This is my opinion and I do not intend to enter into debate. Also I respect the other person's opinion.

Regards
Milind Kotak


On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Ketan Modi wrote:

Mr. Roy,



Thanks for the verbal diatribe wherein you have recalled my polyester import scam articles in Indian Express. For your information, there were five articles published in five days. The articles were based on my personal investigations with seven trips to Ahmedabad including one trip to Mumbai- Ahmedabad-Gandhidham-Okha-Mundra-New Delhi and one trip to Mumbai-Gandhidham-New Delhi for which I had incurred expenses to the tune of Rs.60,000=00 all expenses inclusive. Of this amount Express did not allow me expenses to the Tune of Rs.12,000 because the expenses were incurred incognito.


About your observation that no credible newspaper is willing to take me, let me assure you I have served nearly a dozen of them and it was me who had told the boss to run the paper without me. Today I claim that I am a Senior Journalist not attached to any media organisation because I have chosen not to join the bandwagon of the current media tribe (both print and audio visual).


About your respect for ANT, well you are free to have your views and me mine. However, you have preferred not to speak a word about treating transfer of application u/s 6(3) as fresh and seeking fresh fee emanates from your reading of the statute and interpretation thereof. Under which provisions of law did ANT and his colleagues on bench including SG, whom you have described as my old associate, have concluded this? Their approach was aimed at blocking of all the information/s from applicant.


About your observation that I gave a perfect opportunity to screw all RTI blackmailers is nothing but exposing the venereal skin disease on your thighs publicly. Besides, it also exposes your proximity to ANT. And your unilateral conclusion that SG is an old associate is baseless. One does not take old associates by their vital organs publicly and you have conveniently ignored it which was part of my posting.


And yes I am an RTI professional which the news article said. However, in the same article it was mentioned that I do not charge any fee if a citizen comes forward for personal grievances and does not get response. About the BSNL case, I am sure none of the corrupt government officers have stalled your money for six years. In that case a businessman who had supplied the organisation material was being harassed just because he refused to grease palms of these officers. When this businessman approached me I had told him that RTI was a perfect route and he should use it. He asked me whether I can do it and I explained that if I am to represent you I shall not bear the cost and I normally charge a specific amount if it is going to benefit you. Nothing was concealed from the businessman and he had offered that since a substantial amount was stalled for a period of six years, he was losing interest on it and had virtually written it of. But then he said
instead of paying me professional fee he would give me fifty percent. His work was done and he shared the money which hitherto he had written of. Now your observations are close to telling us that every government officer has inherited right to steal money and harass citizens. So if that is blackmailing I am proud to have blackmailed someone who want move his ass till his palms are greased in good measure and that is where Mr. Prabhu is not only right but is doing service to the nation and society both.


Your observation about vexatious and multiple application exhibits how fertile is your imagination. If there are more than one corrupt elements involved in a case of corruption we do not need you to preach us what to do. You may continue with your coloured thinking and let rest be spared of your wisdom. If you think RTI is used only by blackmailers, you too have claimed to be RTI Applicant/Appellant and you are the moderator of this forum. Hence you have assumed that only you are clean and rest of are all "ha....is" which was rightly pointed out by Mr. Prabhu. Your ex-pression of diarrhea express nothing saving your mental state. As for your observation on secular etc please inform the forum whether you had supported the Nandigram massacre and if so no wonder your tribe was thrown out by the most secular people who supported your tribe for nearly a quarter of a century. And those like you non-believers have conveniently ignored that your home state comes
to complete standstill during entire Puja period. So much for the political belief and personal acts of people like yourself. Yes you have used the correct phrase empty vessels make more noise and it appropriately fits you. I had not invited myself to this forum and once again exhort you to block my membership. Let me tell you one thing publicly that you have been emanating more poisonous pollutant gases which suffocates us so plug all those organs which are malfunctioning. I also wish to recall the old filmy song "Choron Ko Saare Nazar Aate Hai Chor." Good luck to your ANT bhakti and spare us from the continuous nonsense that you posting almost on per second basis. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu has done a great service to the society which through your dark glasses you see as black. If you still feel that we all a blackmailers, the other four fingers are pointed towards you.


Jai Hind

Ketan Modi



On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:01:47 +0530 wrote

>Dear Mr Modi







1) Till 04.06.2011 you did not know who I was. In fact you asked Mr.



Karira "Who is this S. Roy and what are his credentials, if you know



about it"



http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/members/karira-with-ketan+modi.html#vmessage3226







2) I OTH have known about you and your motivated articles in the



Indian Express (based mainly on handouts and selective leaks from



interested parties during the "polyester import" scams) for quite some



time.







3) It seems that nowadays no credible newspaper is willing to hire



you, so you describe yourself as "a senior journalist now not



affiliated to any media organisation". I am of course recalling from



memory your Full Bench CIC decision in Ketan Kantilal Modi versus CBEC



where Mr. A.N.Tiwari (ji) made a 'kachumber" of your submissions (and



your old associate Mr. Shailesh Gandhi could do nothing about it).



Knowing Mr. Tiwari's manner of drafting orders - the text of the Full



Bench leaves no doubt that he also considers you to be a egoistic



"corruption fighter / blackmailer" misuing RTI Act by filing vexatious



amd multiple RTI requests deliberately to the wrong PAs who deserves



to be taken down a notch (??) or two. In fact you gave Mr Tiwari-JI



the perfect opportunity to screw all RTI blackmailers like you who



abuse provisions of the RTI Act (such as 6.3)







4) It also seems that nowadays you have elevated yourself to an RTI



PROFESSIONAL" and you charge 50% of money you "recover" for



other.people by misusing RTI Act. Your M.O closely fits that of "RTI



blackmailers" whom Bhaskar had "defended" in that news report. It is



thus clear why "empty vessels make so much noise" and why "birds of a



feather flock together".







5) I also recall a news report quoting you



[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Need-to-file-an-RTI-expert-help-is-now-at-hand/articleshow/7937646.cms]




as saying







"For example, a client approached me after the Bharat Sanchar Nigam



Ltd (BSNL) failed to pay him for stationery he had supplied it till



2005. The amount was Rs 30,000 and the client offered me a 50% share



if the RTI route helped him get it. As soon as I filed the



application, the BSNL issued a cheque and the amount was split between



me and my client. I have now filed a second appeal seeking



compensation of an equivalent amount which will come to me. Even the



cost of litigation will be paid to me."







This is a real money making approach to RTI by all the banias (aka



"bapus" / Gandhis) etc masquerading as RTI activists, and honest /



secular citizens would have no hesitation in describing such persons



as TOUTS and a BLOT ('kalank' ) to all true RTI activists .







Sarbajit







On 1/8/12, Ketan Modi wrote:



> Dear All,



> In normal course I do not participate in such discussion and continue doing



> my



> work. But Mr. Roy is generally in a habit to engage people by extending and



> enforcing on us, unsuspecting citizens. In my 25 year life as a journo I



> have come



> across many Mr. Roys who likes to throw eggs on others at the slightest



> pretext.



> Now coming to his posting on Mr. Prabhu, I wish to clarify that he is a



> distinguished member of RTI community in Mumbai and Maharashtra. He has done



> a yeoman service when along with three other members he forced the state SIC



> to



> direct the MCGM not to charge for documents at whims and fancies and made



> the



> public authority to follow the rules in letter and spirit. It is because of



> Mr.



> Prabhu that today Mumbaikars pay only Rs.2 per page for obtaining property



> assessment documents for which prior to this order MCGM was charging a



> whopping



> Rs.260 per year.



> Now coming to the words "in defense of blackmailers" which Mr. Roy has



> preferred



> to anoint Mr. Prabhu with. Being a journalist, I had faced the similar music



> of



> being dubbed as a "blackmailer" by none other than Mr. Manmohan Singh, the



> so



> called most honest PM. The issue was that as the FM he had introduced a



> scheme



> called value based advance license which was subsequently deleted due to



> constant



> campaign against it by yours truly. In one of the news piece on a particular



> Joint



> DGFT who had issued Rs.400 crore worth of import license to import



> commodities



> free of customs duty without being authorised. CBI had booked him and he had



> told



> the investigators that he was related to Manmohan. I had inserted this in my



> news



> piece with full knowledge of the background of the case being briefed to my



> immediate superior. I had categorically mentioned that this officer claimed



> to be



> a relative of Manmohan but the latter was not involved in the scam. Next



> morning



> even as the paper hit the stand and delivered to Manmohan, after reading it



> he



> called up my editor and protested that I was blackmailing him. My editor a



> prominent name, shirked in his bed. He called up my resident editor and



> started



> shouting at him. He in turn shouted at my immediate superior whom I had kept



> in



> the loop before filing the story. This gent calls me to say that Manmohan



> has



> termed you as the blackmailer for writing what was published in the day's



> edition.



> On reaching office I went to my resident editor accompanied by my immediate



> boss



> and asked him "do you know the meaning of blackmaling?' He was stunned when



> I told



> him that blackmailing means you have done something wrong of which I learn



> and



> contact you directly or indirectly to ask for some favour in cash or kind.



> Both of



> you know that I had neither contacted Manmohan but had given him a clean



> chit.



> Both my bosses agreed with me that it was not a case of black mailing but



> inferiority complex that Manmohan suffered fearing inculpated in criminal



> cases.



> The scheme introduced by him known as VABAL was deleted because of rampant



> misuse



> by a few thousand importers causing losses to the tune of Rs.1 lakh crore



> and my



> campaign forced him to delete. In that case even Chidambaram had as next FM



> helped



> those who had misused the scheme through ill gotten double benefits by



> usurping



> the power of a central excise superintendent and writing of duty worth



> several



> crores. What is more intriguing is the CAG took notice of my news articles



> and



> concluded that nation lost lakhs of corers but in the next report ractified



> that



> there was no loss to the nation. I have narrated this story mainly for the



> benefit



> of the likes of Mr.Roys who probably genuinely believe that they are



> knowalls and



> they alone have powers to dub others with paints of their choice.



> Let me brief you more case of Mr. Roy's bias. He had terms former CIC ANT as



> one



> of the most honest and competent officers. Let me share my experience with



> all of



> you that ANT had in one of my case referred the second appeal to the full



> bench



> headed by the then CIC WH with SG thrown in. In my written submission I had



> pointed out the errors in ANT's order referring the matter to full bench.



> This



> made them feel black and blue and passed a 35 page order through which they



> changed the game by making transfer under 6(3) to be treated as a fresh



> application for which applicant was made to pay fresh fees. From where on



> earth



> these gentlemen had drawn powers to introduce something which even the



> legislature



> was not aware? And this order was subsequently cited as a preceding case law



> by



> all the ICs. Recently during an public interaction with SG when I had raised



> the



> issue he had no answer. He was also looking black and blue when I raised the



> issue



> of sticking to rules in letter and spirit while dealing with RTI Appellants



> who



> are not trained as professional lawyers. Even the Supreme Court waives



> technical



> lapses when the litigant is not represented by professionally trained



> people. I



> have experienced this even in Mumbai High Court.



> Hence instead of fighting for non-issues and dubbing all of us with choicest



> colours likes of Mr.Roys must concentrate on using the most potent weapon



> that



> this democracy has empowered us with and strengthen the same. By calling Mr.



> Prabhu or citing him being reported as a defender of black mailers, Mr. Roy



> has



> not only undermined the role of Mr. Prabhu but has exhibited his extra



> ordinary



> sense of being a ignorable pest. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu is a proud



> member of



> our community and deserves to be praised for what he is doing to the society



> and



> Mr. Roys must desist from using his tainted brush which describes ANT whose



> ego



> was hurt when his injudiciousness was pointed out to him.



> Jai Hind



> Ketan Modi





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Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI blackmailers

Friends, Friends, Friends from the entire RTI Community,

Here is big news which I am honoured to break for the first time.

According to a research paper recently published, new specie has been sighted.
According to researcher this new creature, so far not known to this world, has
neither been dropped by a stork or was born due to normal reproductive exercise of
which we all are examples. However, in this case the new creature could not have
come into being through this normal exercise or being dropped by the stork.

According to the expert a new reproductive exercise had to be adopted wherein
multiple sperms of several wild beasts (including wild boars) were inserted
through artificial insemination into the productive organ. The result of this
exercise was this new creature which took more time in the womb than the normal
time and had to be exerted out using force.

The researcher says that this new creature has inbuilt hatred for everything in
the universe and emanates foul kind of obnoxious and highly pollutant noise and
gases in all directions and is dangerous to be inhabited amongst homo-sapiens.
Even the wildest of wild beasts in the deep jungle and oceans have developed a
hard felt distaste for being in the company of this creature. It hates everything
and is highly egoistic to feel that nothing in the universe deserves to be what
they are. Its general knowledge of earthly issues is far more insane than any
insane creature. It has developed habits laying excreta everywhere at the drop of
a hat. It is a blood sucker and also likes to bite on flash of other creatures.

Its senses or lack of it exhibits highly injudicious and partisan attitude and it
adores only select species that are believed to have been dropped by the stork at
midnight. It is highly selfish and equally bad mannered. It has no civil sense as
it is not a part of the civil society. It spews deadly venom on all those who does
not even cross its path. In fact it deviates from its own path without being
shooed by anyone to bite others flash.

Researcher also disclosed that when the D day comes to this creature it would
neither be consigned to hell nor bestowed with heaven.

The soul of this unique creature can only be absorbed by a black hole from which
no matter can escape after being engulfed.

The researcher has been bestowed upon the Global Non-sense Award with a citation
and loads of corruption money for this work and the paper has been published in
CIC's annual report for the fiscal 2010-11 by the DoPT.

RIP Mr. Sarbjit Roy. May you remain in the black hole as you only like everything
painted black and dark and we shall pray the Almighty that spare us from such
unique and dangerous species of your ilk.

Jai Hind.
Ketan Modi


On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:51:57 +0530 wrote
>Fantastic. It proves that India is not only the country of self seekers it has
enough children to create and leave a better India before they depart, I have a
strong believe they can not fail.
>Jai Hind
>Bharat Mata Ki Jai
>AK MazumderSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelFrom: raja bunch

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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI
blackmailers
>I wish to add something more. Is the person/question in context is filing RTI in
public interest? To become a RTI activist, has the government floated/conferred
any diploma/degree like MBBS/CA etc( Recognised) where RTI activist can practice
such a profession.I personally have ever charged for guiding any one.Apoligies if
anyone is offended,Warm regardsBunch
From: Milind Kotak
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu defends RTI
blackmailers

Hi :
There is no law in the country that a RTI Professional cannot charge. If the most
nobles of Professional like a Doctor can charge, a lawyer can charge then why
cannot a RTI Professional charge. This is my opinion and I do not intend to enter
into debate. Also I respect the other person's opinion.

Regards
Milind Kotak


On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Ketan Modi wrote:

Mr. Roy,



Thanks for the verbal diatribe wherein you have recalled my polyester import scam
articles in Indian Express. For your information, there were five articles
published in five days. The articles were based on my personal investigations with
seven trips to Ahmedabad including one trip to Mumbai- Ahmedabad-Gandhidham-Okha-
Mundra-New Delhi and one trip to Mumbai-Gandhidham-New Delhi for which I had
incurred expenses to the tune of Rs.60,000=00 all expenses inclusive. Of this
amount Express did not allow me expenses to the Tune of Rs.12,000 because the
expenses were incurred incognito.


About your observation that no credible newspaper is willing to take me, let me
assure you I have served nearly a dozen of them and it was me who had told the
boss to run the paper without me. Today I claim that I am a Senior Journalist not
attached to any media organisation because I have chosen not to join the bandwagon
of the current media tribe (both print and audio visual).


About your respect for ANT, well you are free to have your views and me mine.
However, you have preferred not to speak a word about treating transfer of
application u/s 6(3) as fresh and seeking fresh fee emanates from your reading of
the statute and interpretation thereof. Under which provisions of law did ANT and
his colleagues on bench including SG, whom you have described as my old associate,
have concluded this? Their approach was aimed at blocking of all the information/s
from applicant.


About your observation that I gave a perfect opportunity to screw all RTI
blackmailers is nothing but exposing the venereal skin disease on your thighs
publicly. Besides, it also exposes your proximity to ANT. And your unilateral
conclusion that SG is an old associate is baseless. One does not take old
associates by their vital organs publicly and you have conveniently ignored it
which was part of my posting.


And yes I am an RTI professional which the news article said. However, in the same
article it was mentioned that I do not charge any fee if a citizen comes forward
for personal grievances and does not get response. About the BSNL case, I am sure
none of the corrupt government officers have stalled your money for six years. In
that case a businessman who had supplied the organisation material was being
harassed just because he refused to grease palms of these officers. When this
businessman approached me I had told him that RTI was a perfect route and he
should use it. He asked me whether I can do it and I explained that if I am to
represent you I shall not bear the cost and I normally charge a specific amount if
it is going to benefit you. Nothing was concealed from the businessman and he had
offered that since a substantial amount was stalled for a period of six years, he
was losing interest on it and had virtually written it of. But then he said
instead of paying me professional fee he would give me fifty percent. His work
was done and he shared the money which hitherto he had written of. Now your
observations are close to telling us that every government officer has inherited
right to steal money and harass citizens. So if that is blackmailing I am proud to
have blackmailed someone who want move his ass till his palms are greased in good
measure and that is where Mr. Prabhu is not only right but is doing service to the
nation and society both.


Your observation about vexatious and multiple application exhibits how fertile is
your imagination. If there are more than one corrupt elements involved in a case
of corruption we do not need you to preach us what to do. You may continue with
your coloured thinking and let rest be spared of your wisdom. If you think RTI is
used only by blackmailers, you too have claimed to be RTI Applicant/Appellant and
you are the moderator of this forum. Hence you have assumed that only you are
clean and rest of are all "ha....is" which was rightly pointed out by Mr. Prabhu.
Your ex-pression of diarrhea express nothing saving your mental state. As for your
observation on secular etc please inform the forum whether you had supported the
Nandigram massacre and if so no wonder your tribe was thrown out by the most
secular people who supported your tribe for nearly a quarter of a century. And
those like you non-believers have conveniently ignored that your home state comes
to complete standstill during entire Puja period. So much for the political
belief and personal acts of people like yourself. Yes you have used the correct
phrase empty vessels make more noise and it appropriately fits you. I had not
invited myself to this forum and once again exhort you to block my membership. Let
me tell you one thing publicly that you have been emanating more poisonous
pollutant gases which suffocates us so plug all those organs which are
malfunctioning. I also wish to recall the old filmy song "Choron Ko Saare Nazar
Aate Hai Chor." Good luck to your ANT bhakti and spare us from the continuous
nonsense that you posting almost on per second basis. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu
has done a great service to the society which through your dark glasses you see as
black. If you still feel that we all a blackmailers, the other four fingers are
pointed towards you.


Jai Hind

Ketan Modi



On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:01:47 +0530 wrote

>Dear Mr Modi







1) Till 04.06.2011 you did not know who I was. In fact you asked Mr.



Karira "Who is this S. Roy and what are his credentials, if you know



about it"



http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/members/karira-with-ketan+modi.html#vmessage3226







2) I OTH have known about you and your motivated articles in the



Indian Express (based mainly on handouts and selective leaks from



interested parties during the "polyester import" scams) for quite some



time.







3) It seems that nowadays no credible newspaper is willing to hire



you, so you describe yourself as "a senior journalist now not



affiliated to any media organisation". I am of course recalling from



memory your Full Bench CIC decision in Ketan Kantilal Modi versus CBEC



where Mr. A.N.Tiwari (ji) made a 'kachumber" of your submissions (and



your old associate Mr. Shailesh Gandhi could do nothing about it).



Knowing Mr. Tiwari's manner of drafting orders - the text of the Full



Bench leaves no doubt that he also considers you to be a egoistic



"corruption fighter / blackmailer" misuing RTI Act by filing vexatious



amd multiple RTI requests deliberately to the wrong PAs who deserves



to be taken down a notch (??) or two. In fact you gave Mr Tiwari-JI



the perfect opportunity to screw all RTI blackmailers like you who



abuse provisions of the RTI Act (such as 6.3)







4) It also seems that nowadays you have elevated yourself to an RTI



PROFESSIONAL" and you charge 50% of money you "recover" for



other.people by misusing RTI Act. Your M.O closely fits that of "RTI



blackmailers" whom Bhaskar had "defended" in that news report. It is



thus clear why "empty vessels make so much noise" and why "birds of a



feather flock together".







5) I also recall a news report quoting you



[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Need-to-file-an-RTI-expert-help-
is-now-at-hand/articleshow/7937646.cms]




as saying







"For example, a client approached me after the Bharat Sanchar Nigam



Ltd (BSNL) failed to pay him for stationery he had supplied it till



2005. The amount was Rs 30,000 and the client offered me a 50% share



if the RTI route helped him get it. As soon as I filed the



application, the BSNL issued a cheque and the amount was split between



me and my client. I have now filed a second appeal seeking



compensation of an equivalent amount which will come to me. Even the



cost of litigation will be paid to me."







This is a real money making approach to RTI by all the banias (aka



"bapus" / Gandhis) etc masquerading as RTI activists, and honest /



secular citizens would have no hesitation in describing such persons



as TOUTS and a BLOT ('kalank' ) to all true RTI activists .







Sarbajit







On 1/8/12, Ketan Modi wrote:



> Dear All,



> In normal course I do not participate in such discussion and continue doing



> my



> work. But Mr. Roy is generally in a habit to engage people by extending and



> enforcing on us, unsuspecting citizens. In my 25 year life as a journo I



> have come



> across many Mr. Roys who likes to throw eggs on others at the slightest



> pretext.



> Now coming to his posting on Mr. Prabhu, I wish to clarify that he is a



> distinguished member of RTI community in Mumbai and Maharashtra. He has done



> a yeoman service when along with three other members he forced the state SIC



> to



> direct the MCGM not to charge for documents at whims and fancies and made



> the



> public authority to follow the rules in letter and spirit. It is because of



> Mr.



> Prabhu that today Mumbaikars pay only Rs.2 per page for obtaining property



> assessment documents for which prior to this order MCGM was charging a



> whopping



> Rs.260 per year.



> Now coming to the words "in defense of blackmailers" which Mr. Roy has



> preferred



> to anoint Mr. Prabhu with. Being a journalist, I had faced the similar music



> of



> being dubbed as a "blackmailer" by none other than Mr. Manmohan Singh, the



> so



> called most honest PM. The issue was that as the FM he had introduced a



> scheme



> called value based advance license which was subsequently deleted due to



> constant



> campaign against it by yours truly. In one of the news piece on a particular



> Joint



> DGFT who had issued Rs.400 crore worth of import license to import



> commodities



> free of customs duty without being authorised. CBI had booked him and he had



> told



> the investigators that he was related to Manmohan. I had inserted this in my



> news



> piece with full knowledge of the background of the case being briefed to my



> immediate superior. I had categorically mentioned that this officer claimed



> to be



> a relative of Manmohan but the latter was not involved in the scam. Next



> morning



> even as the paper hit the stand and delivered to Manmohan, after reading it



> he



> called up my editor and protested that I was blackmailing him. My editor a



> prominent name, shirked in his bed. He called up my resident editor and



> started



> shouting at him. He in turn shouted at my immediate superior whom I had kept



> in



> the loop before filing the story. This gent calls me to say that Manmohan



> has



> termed you as the blackmailer for writing what was published in the day's



> edition.



> On reaching office I went to my resident editor accompanied by my immediate



> boss



> and asked him "do you know the meaning of blackmaling?' He was stunned when



> I told



> him that blackmailing means you have done something wrong of which I learn



> and



> contact you directly or indirectly to ask for some favour in cash or kind.



> Both of



> you know that I had neither contacted Manmohan but had given him a clean



> chit.



> Both my bosses agreed with me that it was not a case of black mailing but



> inferiority complex that Manmohan suffered fearing inculpated in criminal



> cases.



> The scheme introduced by him known as VABAL was deleted because of rampant



> misuse



> by a few thousand importers causing losses to the tune of Rs.1 lakh crore



> and my



> campaign forced him to delete. In that case even Chidambaram had as next FM



> helped



> those who had misused the scheme through ill gotten double benefits by



> usurping



> the power of a central excise superintendent and writing of duty worth



> several



> crores. What is more intriguing is the CAG took notice of my news articles



> and



> concluded that nation lost lakhs of corers but in the next report ractified



> that



> there was no loss to the nation. I have narrated this story mainly for the



> benefit



> of the likes of Mr.Roys who probably genuinely believe that they are



> knowalls and



> they alone have powers to dub others with paints of their choice.



> Let me brief you more case of Mr. Roy's bias. He had terms former CIC ANT as



> one



> of the most honest and competent officers. Let me share my experience with



> all of



> you that ANT had in one of my case referred the second appeal to the full



> bench



> headed by the then CIC WH with SG thrown in. In my written submission I had



> pointed out the errors in ANT's order referring the matter to full bench.



> This



> made them feel black and blue and passed a 35 page order through which they



> changed the game by making transfer under 6(3) to be treated as a fresh



> application for which applicant was made to pay fresh fees. From where on



> earth



> these gentlemen had drawn powers to introduce something which even the



> legislature



> was not aware? And this order was subsequently cited as a preceding case law



> by



> all the ICs. Recently during an public interaction with SG when I had raised



> the



> issue he had no answer. He was also looking black and blue when I raised the



> issue



> of sticking to rules in letter and spirit while dealing with RTI Appellants



> who



> are not trained as professional lawyers. Even the Supreme Court waives



> technical



> lapses when the litigant is not represented by professionally trained



> people. I



> have experienced this even in Mumbai High Court.



> Hence instead of fighting for non-issues and dubbing all of us with choicest



> colours likes of Mr.Roys must concentrate on using the most potent weapon



> that



> this democracy has empowered us with and strengthen the same. By calling Mr.



> Prabhu or citing him being reported as a defender of black mailers, Mr. Roy



> has



> not only undermined the role of Mr. Prabhu but has exhibited his extra



> ordinary



> sense of being a ignorable pest. I reiterate that Mr. Prabhu is a proud



> member of



> our community and deserves to be praised for what he is doing to the society



> and



> Mr. Roys must desist from using his tainted brush which describes ANT whose



> ego



> was hurt when his injudiciousness was pointed out to him.



> Jai Hind



> Ketan Modi





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