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Saturday, April 4, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] A simple question

I entirely agree.

I think most "civil servants" are no longer 'civil' nor 'servants', the system has been wholly compromised by the shenanigans of the many corrupt ministers or so called leaders over the last many years, so that they have turned the IAS/IPS cadres and many other institutions into a powerful monster organisation, more powerful than the Generals of the Pakistani Army who are a law onto themselves. They fear no one.

Is it possible that a total outsider can pretend to be part of the IAS Academy and illegally attend there for months and months without being exposed? All this is part of the "chalta Hai" fostered by these babus.

Is it a joke that I read this morning's TOI where I learn that 5000 files have been forwarded and heaped on the PM's desk?

Is it a joke that the Supreme Court time and again admonishes the officers for their whishy washy effort in the affairs of state?

Is it a joke that these officers are implicated in scams and illegal dealings and exposed almost everyday?

Is it a joke that almost every retired IAS officers earns more after retirement due to being assigned on various government committees?

I agree --to bring them down from their high perch will take a great deal of effort and will not happen without public angst!

Vijay Shivdasani

Mumbai

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Anil Jain <anil.jain@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,
As a citizen of India , I have a simple question to ask.
Why cant we have a drive to push the Government to fix up the accountability with stringent action against defaulters of the Public Servants including the Politicians and Bureaucrats.

If job executed is not of the standard and finishing, why aren't the concerned authority is punished as it is prevalent in Private sector.
Why a Government Servant consider his job as a life time job without the fear of Pink Slip due to his inefficiencies and lack of commitment towards his/her job.
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RE: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Dear Sir

CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?
YES THEY MUST

This is in response to the mailer to IAC by Mr N.S.Venkataraman of Nandini

I disagree with Mr Venkataraman for the following

1. As the noted economist Adam Smith writes "

"Individual Ambition Serves the Common Good." Let every powerful individual, be it a bureaucrat, a politician or an industrialist be ambitious. This will bring Competition among them, Competition among the big. Competition, you know even among the worst of rogues, finally ends up in the good of the society.

2. The practice of you scratch my back and I scratch yours among these powerful people ( the so called cartels) must be broken. Make them to fight among themselves. They will bring out the conspiracies of each other.

3. In my opinion, we should rather support this type of activity by the bureaucrats and others, including the juniors.

4. You will appreciate that the cadre like IAS was instituted by British to perpetrate the slavery. It is only India, Pakistan and Bangla Desh who continue to have this type of cadre. The Britain does not have this !!!

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Wrong orders getting followed is a sure method to doom.In fact we need more officers who can stand against inappropriate functioning

On 04-Apr-2015, at 12:08 am, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

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Re: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Will the IAS lobby allow the same freedom to its subordinates?Will IPS lobby give the same freedom to subordinate IInnspectors and subinspectors and constables to show their grievances. Basically it is the ORAL instructions which politicians give and IAS bosses pass it on to their subordinates also orally.. If this can be stopped, then only genuine democracy will come to India.

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On Saturday, 4 April 2015 9:45 PM, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir/ Madam,

The IAS officers are required to show restraints and explore the possibility of resolving the issue. If it goes above his head, he has "IAS Officer's Association" , who can interfere in the issue. However, it is seen, that the political bigwigs are so powerful that the IAS officer has no choice and may therefore resent.

In the case of Mr Khemka, the whole country knows that he has been transferred 45 times in 24 years. What is IAS Officers Association doing ? There is a rule that each posting is for a period of 2 years in a single post, unless his her presence is detrimental to the Organisation / State / Country.

Therefore the answer is simple- cut the wings of the political power. IAS Officers association and other NGOs must intervene to resolve the issues. Have guts to do it.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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India Against Corruption

                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

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RE: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

4/4/15
No, they cannot act as a rebel. They have to faithfully implement the policy of the Govt. They have to objectively consider the pros and cons. and point them out, but the final decision rests with the Minister who is elected by the people.

You have correctly stated what is expected of a civil servant and the avenues open to him for redressal of grievances . It is certainly not going to the press. I have been a civil servant for 6 years in the begining of my career though at a junior level.

There is an inherent tendency among senior civil servants to delay decisions for fear of incurring the displea..sure of the superiors or other exterior considerations. The PM had to call a meeting of secretary level officers to work fearlessly. They in turn expressed apprehensions of being victimised under Anti-corruption Rules and have asked for certain amendments. Let us see what amendments the Govt. brings. As it is, Anti corruptions laws have failed in its object as the RTI act has.

Khemka became famous through Vadra land deals. Kejriwal also exploited the same issue. Arent the two chips of the same block.?

And both have gone quiet today on the issue.

Regds

JKGaur

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 10:17:29 -0500
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Subject: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

India Against Corruption

CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.

Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

U r absolutely right Venkat Sir. There r many Khemkas these days who nvr miss a chance to show themselves' holier than though' but almost all of them just play in d hands of others, mostly netas n media men. The govt shd take stern action if these khemkas behave in such a way. It should tell its officers sternly not to raise their dissenting voice in public. If they HV grievances they shd raise it according to their rights given to them as public servants.

On Apr 4, 2015 12:07 AM, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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India Against Corruption

                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

N.S.Venkataraman

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nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com

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[IAC#RG] A simple question

Dear All,

As a citizen of India , I have a simple question to ask.

Why cant we have a drive to push the Government to fix up the accountability with stringent action against defaulters of the Public Servants including the Politicians and Bureaucrats.

If job executed is not of the standard and finishing, why aren't the concerned authority is punished as it is prevalent in Private sector.

Why a Government Servant consider his job as a life time job without the fear of Pink Slip due to his inefficiencies and lack of commitment towards his/her job.

Regards

Anil jain

Friday, April 3, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Sir/ Madam,

The IAS officers are required to show restraints and explore the possibility of resolving the issue. If it goes above his head, he has "IAS Officer's Association" , who can interfere in the issue. However, it is seen, that the political bigwigs are so powerful that the IAS officer has no choice and may therefore resent.

In the case of Mr Khemka, the whole country knows that he has been transferred 45 times in 24 years. What is IAS Officers Association doing ? There is a rule that each posting is for a period of 2 years in a single post, unless his her presence is detrimental to the Organisation / State / Country.

Therefore the answer is simple- cut the wings of the political power. IAS Officers association and other NGOs must intervene to resolve the issues. Have guts to do it.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

To
India Against Corruption

                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

N.S.Venkataraman

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RE: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Dear sir
IAS officers allegiance to the constitution of India only and not the minister under whom he is working. If minister errs they will hold his secretary responsible though he has not erred. Where does he go for quick redressal govt procedures are too long and tardy . This is injustice like hanging a criminal after 15 16 yrs of the date crime was committed.
Vijoy ambasta

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India Against Corruption

CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Wrong orders getting followed is a sure method to doom.In fact we need more officers who can stand against inappropriate functioning

On 04-Apr-2015, at 12:08 am, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the "Lakshman Rekha" for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a "holier than thou" attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it's decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

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Re: [IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

So, should Khemka also meet the fate of D K Ravi by not meekly following the orders of his minister howsoever illegal they may be? What prevents any government to initiate disciplinary proceedings against any official if he/she is at fault? Instead, the governments of all hues find it easier to silence or punish the bureaucrats by transferring them while saying, at the same time, that transfer is no punishment. Instead of transferring Khemka 45 times or more, the government could have chargesheeted him and dealt with him severely once and for all if he were so guilty of any misconduct. But governments know they cannot do that for fear of exposure of skeletons in their own cupboards.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                              CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Of late, some IAS officers are seen and heard criticising the government that they serve. They unhesitatingly participate in debates in television media making critical remarks about the ministers and policies and methods of the government. One wonders what is the “Lakshman Rekha” for these serving IAS officers who really sound like rebels.
Obviously, Mr. Ashok Khemka who has become well known by frequently defying the government, getting transferred and getting huge publicity whenever such transfers occur and readily giving his views in media and answering questions from journalists, has raised   questions as to what would be the rights and responsibilities of an IAS officer and whether the service rule permit such rebellious methods. Mr. Khemka has got away with such approach so far, possibly due to the friendly media that support him all the time even without ascertaining the facts and a government that is unwilling to put its foot down, fearing the media and the so called public opinion.

The fact is that an IAS officer has to obey the orders of the ministers who are voted to power by the people. If he is given an illegal order or an order in which he has no agreement , he is entitled to request the minister to give the order in writing. If the minister would give the order in writing, he has no alternative other than obeying the order, even if he would not agree ; after recording his dissenting note on the file.

Moreover, IAS officer has the responsibility to ensure smooth functioning of the government apparatus by not adopting an approach of confrontation and friction with the minister, by having a “holier than thou” attitude.

People know the happenings in the government only through media. While Mr. Khemka may have his stand, the ministers too may have the stand and every time Mr. Khemka accuses the ministers , the ministers refute such accusations. For the public, there is no real way to know who is right and who is wrong.

In any case, it is absolutely irresponsible and unbecoming of serving IAS officer to give media interviews , criticising the government. The right course open to him is to go to the administrative tribunal, which looks into the issues concerning the IAS officers and give it’s decisions.

Mr. Khemka and some of his similar friends are creating unhealthy precedent which will inevitably weaken the administrative structure and create a new unhealthy practice and set bad example to the juniors.

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

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[IAC#RG] CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

India Against Corruption

CAN IAS OFFICERS FUNCTION LIKE REBELS ?

Mr. Khemka and his friends should keep in mind that his juniors may also show similar attitude towards them, due to any right or wrong reasons, learning from them.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Thanks for your reply.

I HAVE BEEN A SUCCESSFUL "I FUEL SWARAJ" leader.

People voted for MODIJI, hoping he is better than CONGRESS.

As soon as 100 days lapsed and no BLACK MONEY RETURNED, they voted wholeheartedly for us,66 seats beyond dreams, inspite of NOT BECAUSE OF ,2crores hawala, one candidate giving boosee,false certificate etc.as misunderstood by the POWER CRAZY !

PEOPLE ARE FULLY AWARE. They will not tolerate brushing things under the carpet anymore !

Regards,

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> On 03-Apr-2015, at 9:23 am, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your email and your suggestions.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 02-Apr-2015, at 12:26 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Respected Sir / Shanti Bhushan ji
>>
>> Although it is not proper for IAC to comment on AAP's internal
>> affairs, let me convey my personal dissatisfaction with the uncouth
>> manner in which allegations were made against you personally in the
>> recent events in your party.
>>
>> A party which has no respect for the clear wording of its own
>> Constitution has no business being in power if it cannot adhere to its
>> own declared principles and procedures.
>>
>> Although I shall not comment on Admiral Ramdas, I am certainly
>> concerned about the manner in which our Brahmic sister Ms.Ilina Sen
>> was also removed as party National Lokpal in some kind of coup.
>>
>> As my complaint against Mr. Mayank Gandhi was made to Ms. Sen last
>> year and she is apparently not keeping well these days, I would have
>> expected that somebody with good sense in AAP would have suggested the
>> nationally and internationally famous name of her husband Dr. Binayak
>> Sen in her place and by an outgoing Lokpal's nomination. In any case
>> the terms of the initial AAP Lokpals could not have been less than 4
>> and 5 years respectively as they are eligible for reappointment at
>> their own request.
>>
>> In these present circumstances of Land Acquisition Bill and tribal
>> rights, association of equanimous persons like Dr. Binayak Sen would
>> be very valuable to any new emergent formations in Aam Aadmi Party,
>> and lend it credibility and a new dimension in maturity.
>>
>> It would not be out of place for me to say that association of so many
>> opportunistic "johnny come latelies" into Aam Aadmi Party after Team
>> Arvind's political ambitions were exposed on 2 August 2012 at Ram Lila
>> grounds, is the root cause of the present situation. Starting from
>> rootless wonders like Yogendra Yadav, Ashutosh etc. who attached
>> themselves to the andolan only to share future political spoils and
>> act as fixers and deal makers.
>>
>> Sir, you and your son Prashant are uniquely placed to correct the Aam
>> Aadmi Party's course and align it to our andolan's original missions,
>> if you choose your allies carefully and proceed wisely.
>>
>> Godspeed
>>
>> Sarbajit Roy
>> for India Against Corruption
>>
>>> On 4/2/15, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks .
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 02-Apr-2015, at 2:14 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Respected Sir / Shanti Bhushan ji
>>>>
>>>> This is an internal IAC matter related to certain persons in AAP's
>>>> internet PR team/s who hacked IAC's websites in 2012 and in Dec 2014
>>>> misused certain of those stolen digital assets of IAC to raise money
>>>> in IAC's name / Arvind's photo using a prominent US-based internet
>>>> website with banner ads requesting donations into a numbered Swiss
>>>> Bank a/c.
>>>>
>>>> IAC is not saying, presently, that Arvind is involved in it. In fact
>>>> somebody from AAP had then written to the US website clarifying that
>>>> only I and/or my 2 IAC co-convenors are now the competent and
>>>> appropriate persons to prosecute for IAC and represent IAC.
>>>>
>>>> Accordingly we had taken the matter forward in an "arbitration" in
>>>> Switzerland, which is now in India due to the cyber crimes of
>>>> "hacking" for wrongful gain. etc.. I cannot share the specifics for
>>>> obvious reasons as we want the culprits to be nabbed and exposed -
>>>> plus we are not in any hurry and we are not inclined to go rushing to
>>>> the media either since a connected matter probably involving the same
>>>> Indian hackers was reported in NEWSWEEK last week for the same US
>>>> website in a matter involving eminent Indian persons like, say, Mr.
>>>> Kamal Nath's businesses in Ghaziabad or Mr. Ashok Chauhan's businesses
>>>> in Ghaziabad.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely
>>>>
>>>> Sarbajit Roy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/15, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can we know the detailed facts about the Swiss bank account that you
>>>>> have
>>>>> referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31-Mar-2015, at 3:52 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Jain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know IAC is deeply committed to secularism and socialism. Our
>>>>>> former comrades who set up AAP also professed to similar ideals and
>>>>>> ideology. However, there was deep disagreement between us over a)
>>>>>> joining politics, b) Lokpal, c) personality based movements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That with all political parties now exposing themselves to be corrupt
>>>>>> and personality based, and also since Lokpal has been sidelined/put in
>>>>>> cold storage, the parameters for any united citizen movement will have
>>>>>> to be redrawn, and we are engaged in exploring that with like-minded
>>>>>> persons groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially in Sept 2013 IAC had thought we would focus on RTI movement
>>>>>> and reviving it - but that is now out of the question. After that
>>>>>> there was an agitation against Land Acquisition Act - but we inquired
>>>>>> and found that the persons behind the agitation were mostly the usual
>>>>>> professional foreign financed anti-national NGO haramis acting for
>>>>>> certain political parties or corporates, so we could not associate
>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The latest developments in AAP indicate "cleansing" and "reevaluation"
>>>>>> in both AAP's camps. AAP has effectively split.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every grassroot worker and "son of the soil" knows if an earthworm is
>>>>>> cut into 2 portions, the "head" can grow a tail and the "tail" can
>>>>>> also grow a head - and both can continue to fertilise the soil by
>>>>>> their shitting and aeration. Accordingly, I shall not comment on
>>>>>> Arvind's Biblical allusions to King Solomon made in his speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can assure you and everybody else:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) That IAC's name and banners will not be used, or allowed to be
>>>>>> used, for any new formation unless it is unquestionably essential in
>>>>>> the national interest,
>>>>>> b) That IAC will be apolitical,
>>>>>> c) That IAC will be secular,
>>>>>> d) That IAC will be "anti-colonial",
>>>>>> e) That IAC will respect and observe 'Hindutva', ie. Indian-ness
>>>>>> f) That IAC will henceforth never again be placed in a situation where
>>>>>> the body has more than 1 head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We shall also not deviate from our IAC Manifesto or our IAC Code of
>>>>>> Conduct, or at least not without wide and honest internal debate and
>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NB: We defend IAC's name very strictly and vigorously. We have just
>>>>>> fought a massive 3 month long legal battle in Switzerland after IAC's
>>>>>> name was superimposed with Arvind Kejriwal's photo on an Internet
>>>>>> Website in December 2014 to raise hundreds of thousands of Dollars
>>>>>> into a numbered Swiss Bank Account by some anonymous persons clearly
>>>>>> linked to AAP and very close to Arvind. After the conclusion of this
>>>>>> matter, on 13 March 2015 we have filed a formal complaint before the
>>>>>> designated special court in India requesting for the ACB to unmask
>>>>>> these people with assistance of Cyber Controller of Govt of India.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nowadays those people formerly associated with us should not take
>>>>>> our earlier hospitality and openness for granted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/31/15, Hemraj Jain <jainhemraj59@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from
>>>>>>> IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you thinking to float a new front ? Will it be political or social
>>>>>>> in nature ? Will you launch website for this front ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hem Raj Jain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bengaluru, (Karnataka) India
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Gaur ji
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
>>>>>>>> ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
>>>>>>>> movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
>>>>>>>> established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
>>>>>>>> outcome of AAP unfolding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
>>>>>>>> Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
>>>>>>>> study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
>>>>>>>> Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
>>>>>>>> In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
>>>>>>>> Congress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
>>>>>>>> links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
>>>>>>>> respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
>>>>>>>> change it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
>>>>>>>> 2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
>>>>>>>> "withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
>>>>>>>> to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
>>>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
>>>>>>>> NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
>>>>>>>> comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
>>>>>>>> wants this too ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sarbajit
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