Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges

As an NRI obviously you cannot be expected to be as well informed
about India as Indians are. This years winter session of Parliament
effectively sat for under 7 hours and cost the exchequer Rs.160 crores
(as per media reports). It is allegedly the most unproductive session
in the last 25 years.

I may also mention that the badly drafted RTI Act 2005 was rushed
through Parliament in 2005 with so many changes (which now affect us)
because the opposition BJP similarly had chosen to sit out that
period.

I surmise you are on this list because you are the US Coordinator for
Amitabh Thakur's NRTIF and have been included because of the misplaced
enthusiasm of the list owners to be some sort of rainbow coalition of
RTI. I would go further and request list owners/moderators to remove
all email IDs of NTRF office bearers.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Devendra Tripathi
<tripathidk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear moderator of humjanenge group:
>
> Not sure how my e-mail came to this group (I am part of RTI forum), could
> you please remove my name from here?
>
> BTW I do have a comment on following post from Sarabjit:
>
>>>
> It is like the Indian Parliament which is a total waste of time and money
> (Rs. 160 crores for 6.83 hours of work).
>>>
>
> The above statement does not sound coming from a person who is fighting
> for RTI and if I may put in a bit stronger words, this approach makes the
> RTI effort prone to failure from the very inception. What would be productve
> replacement -- Duma of 70s?
>
> Regards,
> Devendra Tripathi
> Cell: +1(408)416-1848
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 7:42:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
>
> You are absolutely correct. Free speech has its limits. Consensus is
> difficult to achieve in large groups where everyone is allowed to
> speak simultaneously. It is like the Indian Parliament which is a
> total waste of time and money (Rs. 160 crores for 6.83 hours of work).
>
> I have been advising the owners of this group to be more firm, but
> they don't listen
> very much to me any more.
>
> When selection of ICs and CICs is not in our hands, why should we
> waste our time and effort on discussing the process. What we can do
> instead is expose their misdeeds and harmipan when they are in and out
> of office with UNCHALLENGEABLE facts and arguments.
>
> Why has nobody here criticised the acts and misdeeds of the present
> C'IC and his Commission. I'm not speaking of the routine cribbing
> about individual decisions, but
> about the wholesale THEFT of RTI by those F****ers at CIC.
>
> Watch out for my 2nd RTI challenge and participate
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:50 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Sarab ji,
>> Why do v continue to fight over an issue not related to RTI and moderators
>> should refrain from putting such issues on the blog.
>> I want to concentrate on filling the vacant posts of ICs at CIC and on our
>> reaction on the proposed amendment.
>>
>> It is not prudent on our part to waste our energy on such issues on which
>> consensus is difficult to be formed. The argument who came first, egg or
>> hen can continue pertetually.
>>
>> I exhort to use your wide knowledge and experience on the main issue. I m
>> with you, will all the members.
>>
>> I m not that type of person who will continue to ill-argue and will not
>> apologize. If from my apology, this unproductive debate can be put to an
>> end, I can apologize thousand times even though I have not made any
>> mistake.
>>
>> Come on and let us discuss RTI related issues on an RTI blog.
>>
>> Religious issues can be discussed on some related blog.
>>
>> Your brotherly,
>> M K Gupta
>
>