Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Kumar Ji, I am not the least surprised that you find my comments about Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur as most disgusting. I am, however, at a loss to understand as to what is it that I have said which can be remotely termed as disgusting.

 

I have been a supporter of the Sadhvi right from the day her name was associated with the bomb blast related investigation. You are right that she was for a start questioned about the two wheeler which although she had sold but was still in her name. Frankly, this would have been a trivial case and would have been settled within a matter of months if not weeks. Unfortunately, this did not happen and the painful part is that her own father gave a statement to the press saying that "Let the law take its course" Even that would not have sounded bad if her repeated bail applications right up to the SC level had not been frustrated. and the irony is that even after such a long time she has not been charged. So there is more to it than meets the eye. Regarding the suspected breast cancer, the Press reports stated  that she has been offered treatment which she has refused. so I do not know what is the state of affair regarding her health.

 

I am not concerned with what the Sadhvi has or has not done as it is now for the SC who has finally refused her bail application to deal with the human right aspects of the case. My Beef is with the BJP big wigs who seem to have washed their hands off her altogether. If she is innocent which she might well be , do you not think that people like Arun Jaitely who is an eminent lawyer should have taken up her case.to see that she was not kept in prison for a day longer than was warranted.? Now they are pretending as if she does not exist. Do you think it is morally right ?? Reg. Devinder

 

From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
To: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "media monitor5@yahoogroups.com" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonline worldwide@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 12:50
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Devinderji!!

 

1. Your remarks about Sadhvi Pragnya Singh is so disgusting and unwarranted as you have not considered the important aspects before vilifying her so.

 

2. At an early age in Life she wanted to take to Sanyas discarding all comforts of life and opted for saffron clothes searching for an Ashram and a Guru to follow her spiritual pursuit.

 

3. The only "mistake" she made was to sell her old two wheeler before such move and two years later the same two wheeler was found in Malegaon blast, the Police tracing the ownership to her as she did not ensure its documents transferred at the RTO- a genuine mistake, but committed by thousands all over the Country.

 

4. When she was approached at Surat for a formal questioning and appeared at Mumbai ATS, its head Karkare already had instructions from Home Minister Chidambaram to somehow prove existence of Hindu Terrorism, and did his level best to use the innocent girl to establish her connections with some Hindu activists.

 

5. The daily torture by beatings and hanging her upside down and beating on her soles, inserting pins into her nails were all carried out under Karkare's orders, her frequesnt fainting, admission in hospitals without identity recorded, in ICU, destroying her person and morale for no reason but to get a confession of existence of a Hindu terrorist group.

 

6.DURING THESE INTERROGATIONS KARKARE GOT HER SAFFRON CLOTHES REMOVED AND FORCED TO WEAR ORDINARY CLOTHES. WOULD HE HAVE DARED TO REMOVE THE BLACK VEIL OFA MUSLIM WOMAN, EVEN when ACCUSED OF MORE SERIOUS CRIME OR URDER IN SUCH A CAVALIER MANNER? HE KNEW THAT HE COULD DO THIS DISROBING LIKE DUSSASANA OF DRAUPADI WITH IMPUNITY AS THE HOME MINISTER CHIDDU HAD HIS HAND OVER HIM!!

 

BUT KRISHNA DID NOT REMAIN QUIET. HE SENT A KASAB AND GOT HIM BRUTALLY KILLED FOR INSULTING A SAINTLY SANCTITY OF A HINDU WOMAN, BY DISROBING HER SAFFRON CLOTHES.

 

7.If she was involved in any such criminal act, why have the ATS failed to file any charge-sheet against her or Col. Purohit, but continuing their torture and denial of human rights to these two for over three years? Is there no justice available for these two?

 

8 You appear to have found the young woman having breast cancer. It is not cancer. It is the result oi repeated  puncturings and burns she was subjected to and pins used to prick her areola/nipples, that caused these injuries to a chronic wound that has been declared as breast cancer. You do not know the Police brutality on vulnerable people in custody.

 

The ATS wants her dead so that all evidence of torture, false accusations and hospitalisations..etc. confirming the cruelty and third degree wounds inflicted on her do not get revealed in any future enquiry.

 

9 Why do you link her to BJP? She is not a member of BJP nor BJP has come to her rescue!!

 

Would the Judiciary or international groups rise and question such torture of a young woman for three years and more, her religious identity damaged brutally and she is undergoing a vegetable life in the prison without any respite from local judiciary or Govt.?

 

To add insult to injury are people like Devinderji who make such postings further damaging her reputation if any remaining!!

 

Why is VHP or RSS lying low in this matter and not rescue her from such torture and ignominy?

From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
To: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

I want to convey the dangers of mixing politics with religion. Baba Ram Dev is not exactly a religious Guru but a business man but "His Holiness "is paying a very heavy price for the nexus with politics. He could have remained a Yog Guru and sold his Vedic potions. Who gave him the slogan of Kala Dhan which was the slogan used by Sh.L K Advani in the last election. Who set out to uproot the UPA and who visited him in Hardawar after his five days fast.and who spent the night at the MKGandhi's Smadha at Rajghat after the Ram Lilla fiasco. You will get the answers to your questions there. . Sadhvi Pragya Singh is another living example of the human tragedy by the politics driven by  religious ideology. Devinder    

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 5:18
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

I don't understand why you are postulating the things assuring me that he does not require lip services and empty posturing by the saffron crowd either when nobody has offered any lip service to him or to you and I don't understand your habit of diverting the subject to Sadhwi.What exactly do you want to convey? I think he is quite capable to take care of himself. And for your information, as far as I know, he has not joined BJP.   V. S.Sardesai     --- On Sun, 10/3/13, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote: From: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics To: "vasant sardesai" <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>, "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 9:51 PM Baba Ram Dev might not be me nor does he need my advice but be assured that he does not need all the lip service and empty posturing by the saffron crowd either as it has brought nothing for him but misery. although not exactly in the same way as it has done in the case of Sandhiv Pragya Singh Thakur.. a feisty young woman who fell for the saffron ideology and has paid a heavy price for a photo opportunity with the big wigs of the BJP and was seen in the picture sitting right behind Sh. Raj Nath Singh and is now rotting in Jail, suffering from breast cancer,  can't even get bail which is her right.but has been denied. Here father  who has recently died had told the press that let the law take its course.and the course of law has become a bit too long for any one's liking. and a good woman is being wasted in jail.   As far as one knows, no one senior from the BJP visited her. The only person who went to see her in prison was none other than good old Baba Ram Dev. So Jai Ho Baba Ram Dev Ji.Ki.  Devinder Thakur. From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013, 15:02 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics All this is thanks to the vindictive policy of the government led by the dynasty and supported by sycophants, as every one knows. Thank God Baba Ramvevji is not you neither does he require your advice.,   V.S.Sardesai  --- On Sun, 10/3/13, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote: From: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 5:02 PM I think in the whole game of politics, the 'Kala Dhan' which is nothing more than a "pie in the sky", the only loser has been the Baba himself. He business has been declared as non-charity, he is faced with a fat bill by way of income tax.plus he has been declared by the SC as 25 per cent contributory negligent in the Ram Lilla fiasco. He has lost the lease of the land in Himachal that BJP gave him by changing the use of the land, on a ridiculous annual ground rent of Rs one. What will happen to the structure that Baba has built on the land is not known. The case is before the high court awaiting trial. . The raw material he uses and sells at his outlets has been found to be adulterated.He might yet face a criminal investigation for the mysterious disappearance of his Guru, whose Asharam Baba Ram has been using as a beneficiary.and last but not the least, his companion Achary Balkrishan is involved in a criminal case of uttering false document to get Indian nationality.   Unless, the Baba has been offered the position of at least the Vice President of India, if I were in Baba's shoes, I would have remained a Yoga Guru and called it a day. Devinder Thakur From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013, 9:41 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics Dear Vasant ji I'm sure that you know that I, Sharmaji and many others on this list are no less wedded to cause of Hindutva than anyone else. For your kind information the said meeting took place around 3.Nov 2009 and the videos of Ramdev's address is on youtube. The Deobandi's are now being severely criticised within the Muslim polity for their association with Hindus. Ramdev's speech/video is a cited example. http://reformer1500.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/haqikat-in-reality-of-deoband-madrashah/ "Home Minister P.Chidambaram, Minister of State for Communications Sachin Pilot, All India Muslim Personal Law Board's senior vice president Maulana Kalbe Sadiq and social activist Swami Agnivesh also addressed the gathering. Swami Agnivesh too drew much applause when he talked about banning liquor as well as urging Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram." Can you deny "wherever BJP is in power Ramdev supports BJP, wherever Congress is in power he claims to be Congressi". This is not my statement, it is the statement of a very respected saint of Hindu Samaj. I shall not publish the rest of the statement as it is very well known. In any case I find this whole line of argument about Ramdev's entry into politics to be irrelevant in the anti-corruption space now. The list of Congress affiliated haramis who scuttled IAC's expose of the Commonwealth Games scam in 2010 is well known and published on the Art of Living website.  Swami Ramdev and Bharat Swabhiman Trust were very much a part of Congress's damage control mission then. http://www.artofliving.org/in-en/india-against-corruption-iac Sarbajit On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote: But he is ot after few thousands or lacs; he wants whole lot to be brought back. Any proof that he was a part of Chidembaram junket to Deoband?Orisit a fig of your imagination to ridicule him as a member of loot company?   V.S.Sardesai --- On Sun, 10/3/13, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: From: S.D. 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