Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

Dear Friends,

I completely agree with Shri SK Chadha,We all have weaknesses but for
the National Objective,we should all work together without hurting
individual sentiments untill proven/well known facts by many people.

Thanks & Regards

R.K.Atri

On 3/14/13, SK Chadda <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sharmaji
> Your comments about indian business community are extremely biased. I
> beleive you hardly know what's a "BUSINESSMAN". A Businessman pays Exise
> Duty, VAT, Service Tax, Income Tax for the national development. To be a
> businessman is no joke. Yes, integrity is the key word. Anyway our present
> topic is not business or businessman.
>
> I must mention that I am aware of the efforts of Chitra Subramaniam and N.
> Ram. We can not underestmate their effort. But before Baba Ram Dev
> brought the issue through TV, how many people were aware of Chitra nad
> Ram's effort. Today even a small child asks questions about Black Money.
>
> I also feel that IAC should not use its paltform to use derogatory remarks
> (scoudrels) about an individual or a particular community (BUSINESS
> COMMUNITY). Baba Ramdev does not need Dalaals. His name itself is
> sufficient to get his job done. Though I personally do not know which land
> he has got at throw away rates, but I understand that, since there is
> provision to allot the land for specific purposes at cheaper rates, he
> probably got under the provisions. Otherwise, the Congress Goverment would
> have finished him by now. He has got guts to confront and survive.
>
> Please understand and appreciate that unless you are strong professionally
> and fiancially, you can not make your presence felt at national level. He
> is a great professional, he speaks well and over a period he has made
> himself financially strong.
>
> We all feel that GOOD persons or groups should join hands and fight against
> foreigners. No two persons will have same ideograph. But for a common goal
> such differences can be side tracked and proceed forward with killing
> instinct.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> SK Chadda
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Chadda
>>
>> You ask what wrong Baba Ramdev has done ?
>> It would take at least 3 encyclopedias to fill all his misdeeds. But, IAC
>> platforms should not be waste on scoundrels like Baba Ramdev.
>>
>> His preparations are cheaper because he evades paying taxes. In 2004 his
>> turnover was at least 30 crores. He only declared sales of Rs. 6.73 lakhs
>> and paid tax of Rs. 50,000/-. After he was raided many times that year,
>> he
>> pulled strings to show the sales of Rs. 5 crores to Special Investigation
>> Team headed by Rana and even on that the tax was not paid. His trust
>> finds
>> it cheaper to litigate the cases and bribe the officers and politicians
>> instead of paying taxes. Baba Ramdev is no different from Ambanis and
>> every
>> other Indian BUSINESSMAN.
>>
>> With all this black money, he is buying and devloping land which is
>> usually given to him at throwaway prices or registered at circle rates.
>> How
>> he has risen from zero to Rs. 10,000+ crore hero in 10 years is not
>> possible unless he is front for somebody and paying of everyone in
>> government. Now that Congress is in power, he is trying to cut some deals
>> to carry on his business and there is no shortage of dalaals offering to
>> help him place his money.
>>
>> You know nothing if you claim Baba Ramdev is first to raise issue of
>> black
>> funds in Swiss banks. What were Chitra Subramaniam and N.Ram doing for
>> Lotus and Quattrochi in Bofors deal ?
>>
>> You can read these articles, it may help you.
>>
>> http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main52.asp?filename=Ws190312Black_money.asp
>>
>>
>> http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main49.asp?filename=Ne180611Coverstory2.asp
>>
>> S D Sharma
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, SK Chadda <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What wrong Baba Ramdev has done? He has brought awareness to a common
>>> man
>>> and made people think and practice Yoga. The ayurvedic medicines from
>>> Patanjali cost almost half the price as compared to giants like Dabur.
>>> It
>>> is not possible in our country to even exist after confronting with the
>>> Congress Government. He surviving gracefully even after making so much
>>> of
>>> money and owning properties. Why should sonmeone be jealous of his
>>> ambitions and hard earned money. If he had used unlawful ways to earn
>>> money, do you think this Government would have been keeping quite for so
>>> long.
>>>
>>> He is first person to to have courage to speak out about black money
>>> lying in Swiss banks.
>>>
>>> S Kumar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM, govindan menon
>>> <tcgmenon@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Baba Ramdev is a patriotic sanyasi, who is an asset for the whole
>>>> world. Not Agnivesh,who is a commie.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:46:18 +0530
>>>> From: rbpurohit4productivity@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc
>>>>
>>>> Its true.
>>>> Indian nation was built by religious leaders like Shankaracharya and
>>>> others.
>>>> I don't feel Baba comes under that category.
>>>> On 11-Mar-2013 12:40 AM, "Anamika R" <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If personalities like Baba Ramdev and Swami Agnivesh seek attention,
>>>> it is really their choice.
>>>>
>>>> But such initiatives must push us to address macro level issues like -
>>>>
>>>> a) barring exceptions, are religious leaders equipped to handle
>>>> anti-corruption movements
>>>>
>>>> b) should religion be used as a handle to leverage a nation building
>>>> activity
>>>>
>>>> c) will anti-corruption movements remain opinions on paper or remain
>>>> localised, due to lack of non-partisan, patriotic, committed
>>>> visionaries
>>>> who can lead from the front
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 10-Mar-2013, at 23:11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sir
>>>>
>>>> The main worry committed Bhartiya's now have is "Is Ramdev another
>>>> Agnivesh ?"
>>>>
>>>> This is no easy answer to this question. Agnivesh at his best had only
>>>> grabbed a few prime Arya Samaj properties, generated a fake Arya Samaj,
>>>> acted as a spokesperson / go-between for LWEs, floated a few NGOs to
>>>> harass industrialists in Haryana and infiltrated various social
>>>> movements
>>>> which were only too happy to have him.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, small change compared to Ramdev, who himself was an
>>>> Sangh plant to keep tabs on Agnivesh and the Congress.
>>>>
>>>> Both these religious leaders together ensured that the anti-corruption
>>>> movement which was to have started after the CommonWealth Games 2010
>>>> failed
>>>> to take off. The BJP had its own set of mafias which profited hugely
>>>> from
>>>> the games, and it was in the interests of both the Congress and BJP to
>>>> scuttle any effective actions into the scams. They achieved it easily
>>>> through Agnivesh and Ramdev. The entire 10 member LokPal drafting
>>>> Committee
>>>> was a convenient mutual benefit society for Congress and BJP to ensure
>>>> that
>>>> nothing got done.
>>>>
>>>> Another tip-off was the involvement of Maulana Masood Madni and Arch
>>>> Bishop Vincent Concessao in the 2010 post Games protests. After
>>>> Agnivesh
>>>> had been exposed as a Congress plant the Maulana was busy
>>>> audio-recording
>>>> proceedings of IAC's meetings. In short, the entire religious machinery
>>>> was
>>>> used as spies and infiltrators to ensure that the mafias got away with
>>>> the
>>>> loot. It is a psychological thing that average human beings are
>>>> instinctively programmed to "respect" religious figures and not
>>>> question
>>>> them too much.
>>>>
>>>> Paraphrasing what somebody had mentioned in context of Orwell and
>>>> Gandhi
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> Can we really trust ANY religious leader to be part of an
>>>> anti-corruption movement ? *
>>>>
>>>> NOT AT ALL !!!*
>>>>
>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM,
>>>> <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Baba Ram Dev might not be me nor does he need my advice but be assured
>>>> that he does not need all the lip service and empty posturing by the
>>>> saffron crowd either as it has brought nothing for him but misery.
>>>> although
>>>> not exactly in the same way as it has done in the case of Sandhiv
>>>> Pragya
>>>> Singh Thakur.. a feisty young woman who fell for the saffron ideology
>>>> and
>>>> has paid a heavy price for a photo opportunity with the big wigs of the
>>>> BJP and was seen in the picture sitting right behind Sh. Raj Nath
>>>> Singhand is now rotting in Jail, suffering from breast cancer, can't
>>>> even get
>>>> bail which is her right.but has been denied. Here father who has
>>>> recently died had told the press that let the law take its course.and
>>>> the
>>>> course of law has become a bit too long for any one's liking. and a
>>>> good woman is being wasted in jail.
>>>>
>>>> As far as one knows, no one senior from the BJP visited her. The only
>>>> person who went to see her in prison was none other than good old
>>>> BabaRam Dev. So
>>>> Jai Ho Baba Ram Dev Ji.Ki. Devinder Thakur.
>>>>
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