It appears that without understanding the situation or going through the facts or studying thescriptures you are arriving at the conclusions. It is a known fact admitted even by Western scholars that McCauley was responsible for imbibing slavish mentality especially in Hindus through his educational policy and destorting of Hindu scriptures.So also don'tblame Brahmanism; there was or is nothing like Brahmanism.Brahmin was a class created under Vernashram or Sanatana Dharma like other three classes;Vernashram was not created by Brahmins as being propagated just like the theory of Aryan Invasion of India.Now a day it has become a fashion to blame Sanatana Dharma or Brahmanism for every wrong in the society without knowing the correct facts. If you are really interested to know the position, you may read the book "Eastern Religions and the Western thought" by the great Indian philosopher and ex-President of India, late Dr. S, Radhakrishnan. As regards Gen.V.K. Singh's date of birth episode, I have seen the date-wise records when he actually moved to correct the the date of birth.It is a pity that we are spreading such falsehood without knowing the facts as you are doing in case of Brahmanism; only one request and that is don't bring in honesty. V.S.Sardesai
--- On Fri, 15/3/13, Sainik Sangh <gs@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
From: Sainik Sangh <gs@sainiksangh.org>
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics
To: "'vasant sardesai'" <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>, indiaresists@lists.riseup.net, "'Kumar 8134'" <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>, "'ramachandran vizhakat'" <rvizhakat@yahoo.com>, "'Col Thakur Singh'" <thakursinghk@gmail.com>, media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com, "'issuesonline worldwide@yahoogroups.com'" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>, "'Prem Sabhlok'" <psabhlok@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, 15 March, 2013, 11:39 AM
Let's not blame McCaulay or any It is the instinct of taking advantage of the moment for convenience , an eye on profits from any enterprise that a Hindu undertakes that has been his bane down history lane . This greed and lust for wealth is embedded in Hindu lifestyle which makes him soft self indulgent and slippery -courtesy BAHMANISM- OUR CUTOMS, TEMPLE RITUAL S , IDOLS THE SELF THAT IS CENTRIC IN LIFE NOT THE COMMUNITY OR TRIBE, NEITHERT PRINCIPLES . A SIMPLE e.g. A general suddenly realizes he can get another year of prestige and perks and so TAKES U TURN engaging with his DOB abandoning his duty! at what cost? And people at large accept this as a justification? What are the standards and codes of conduct that can distinguish a Hindu as we can many – we would know how German or JAPANESE would react to a situation – not the Hindu unpredictable for this very reason ! Well were McCauley to be in China the Chinese would learn every bit of his language and all that it can give use it to the best advantage of China and Chinese ! Let get out of blame game and do self examination reduce hunger for power and greed . There is much that needs to be done as we ever evaded real solutions which do not come without struggle –not the satygrah style but honest will to change. THANK YOU Chauhan Maj gen From: vasant sardesai [mailto:vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics You are right; but we should also ponder as to why such a thing happened to India;I think the only reason is McCauley's educational policy which has imbibed in Indians especially the Hindus, the slavish mentality which has changed the social ideology making money as everything, the God. This will have to be changed.Unless we remove the slavish mentality of the people by changing the ideology and bringing self-confidence andnational charecter, no one will be able toimprove the coditions of Indians. V.S.Sardesai
--- On Fri, 15/3/13, Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>, "Kumar 8134" <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>, "'ramachandran vizhakat'" <rvizhakat@yahoo.com>, "'Col Thakur Singh'" <thakursinghk@gmail.com>, "media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>, "'issuesonline worldwide@yahoogroups.com'" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>, "GS Sainik sangh" <gs@sainiksangh.org>
Date: Friday, 15 March, 2013, 5:40 AM
Congress exploited mahatma Gandhi name with a specific purpose of remaining in power. The Gandhian concepts of Politics as the noblest Endeavour, Self rule (Swaraj), minimum role for the state and many other Gandhian thoughts were thrown in the dustbin.
Result was criminalisation in politics, pseudo secularism, state becoming Leviathan, killing the self rule institutions, making steel frame of Bureaucracy as rusted brittle steel frame, era of corruption and scams and endless other social, moral and political evils. The worst was when a defeated Member of Parliament in election from Delhi was nominated as Prime Minister by a dynastic rule because no elected MP i.e. Peoples representative was found fit for the purpose. It was a clear case of the murder of Indian democracy. The entire world must be laughing about the peculiar Indian concept of Democracy.
Anna Hazare, Baba Ram Dev, Jaya Prakash of Lok Satta, FTI Team, AAM Party and many others are now reviving Corruption free governance, Self rule (Swaraj), Politics as the noblest Endeavour and genuine democracy. Unfortunately Anna Hazare movement has been hijacked by some people with vested intersets.
Now only great hope is in Baba Ramdev's selfless movement and others like Lok Satta, Fredom Team of India (FTI) led by Shantanu (Ex I.F.S ) and others). Baba Ramdev is not communalising politics but making it as the noblest endeavour as without noble politics good governance is not possible.
Prem Sabhlok
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:49:22 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics Funny we are so bankrupt ! Have no one to get into the ring against the Nehru dynasty except yoga teachers , tooth paste makers , medicine men etc even as we head for the next century which will be an age of science and technology more intense than ever before! Even our Generals seem to find solace with living Gods prostrate at their feet seeking the ultimate a salvation from all the ills that carry us into the gutter! There is something morbidly wrong with our genes . No genetically we can excel in self deception ,delusions and weaving a shell of make believe world and when down and out happy with self glorification . SIGNS OF A SINKING SOCIETY. One is surprised at how DISCONNECTED we are with realities on ground and pick up slogans ,war cries, loin camps etc which have no relevance to the war that we pretend to wage from our elitist nests . For example a lot of cry against corruption none the wiseerr or quite reticent that corruption cannot be weeded out by creating fronts to fight it ! It is endemic to the very system of democracy we practice it is a market in guise of peoples franchise, corruption is endemic to Hindu society , to our very upbringing! How many of us have watched closely how a tehsil functions or even a panchayat! However many lok pals we may have the poor widow has to grease the hands of someone to get her pension! Some are out to resist –resist what and how? We couldn't push Annas campaign through a fruitful end what else from keyboards? No there has to be some different stroke and not the pick of babas and sadhoos! Our mindsets are archaic and anachronistic this wont rid us of any dynasty –Mulayam is getting ready for another Chauhan From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of S kumar
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:17 PM
To: ramachandran vizhakat; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; Col Thakur Singh; media monitor5@yahoogroups.com; issuesonline worldwide@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics 1. Baba Ramdev's Trust has the Trust Deed, aims and objcetives clearly approved by the Govt./Charity Commisioner, and has been functioning since many years submitting the annual balance sheets and reports to the Income-tax as well as Charity Commissioner as required by Law, and all these documents were accepted and approved by the Govt. 2. Commercial activity is an accepted function ofor the Charitable Trust, operating Educational Institutions, Hospitals, Charity Homes, Orphanages..etc. and Ramdev's Trust is no different and has been acceptable all these years. Can you accept BCCI as a Society having exemption under I.Tax where the earnings and turn-overs run into millions of $? 3. After the attempt to kill Ramdev at the midnight raid, as directed by Chiddu and Sibal and as forewarned to him the previous day by INDIATV Rajat Sharma, UPA found itself to find other routes to harass Ramdev, failed in nailing his brother Balakrishna as having false India Passport- The Court indicted CBI for the false case as the Police enquiries before issuing or renewing the Passports were made twice and how CBI finds a new charge? 4. The UPA's present attempt is to hit Ramdev below the belt s Ramdev continues his sessions fighting against corruption particaularly by UPA and Coongress leaders, by using the new Congress led State Govt. to foist charges by declaring the land allotment and his Trust as illegal, which could be contested in Court as Court might ask the Govt. how could successive Govts. change the decisions taken in such matters leading to utter chaos in the system? t5. Devinderji might argue that Ramdev should have continued with his Yoga classes and not indulge in POlitics. But the fact is the billions carted away by the Nehru dynasty and stashed abroad and the many megscams in every action of the Govt. has triggered the patriotism of every citizen, how Italian family has been looting this Country with total impunity, starting with her arrival after marriage with Rajiv and telling lies all through, be her age or qualification or parentage and so on. From: ramachandran vizhakat <rvizhakat@yahoo.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics I cannot accept your arguments. All good people with a mission has to suffer for some time. The corrupt, stupid and shameless lots are there to trouble them with all means. We should expose those corrupt lots, rather than going after Swami Ramdev. Even if he accumulated wealth as long as that has done for the welfare of people, it is preferable to those using for personal welfare. Let us ask why such enquiries has not done against Robert Wadera. If they carry out similiar probe against any businessman more mistakes will comes out. I am not a follower of Swami, but I certainly appreciate the way he work 18 to 20 hours for common people. Winning in election is not yet fair in India. Educated lots hardly find time to vote. How you look CM and Opposition leader in Kerala demanding bail for Madhani. In India many started believing that if you are a Hindu only God is there for your help. Let us resist injustice in all forms. From: Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
To: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
Cc: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics Unlike Uttrakhand, how come BJP lost the elections despite Ram Dev's anti congress campaign. I think in the whole game of politics, the 'Kala Dhan' which is nothing more than a "pie in the sky", the only loser has been the Baba himself. He business has been declared as non-charity, he is faced with a fat bill by way of income tax.plus he has been declared by the SC as 25 per cent contributory negligent in the Ram Lilla fiasco. He has lost the lease of the land in Himachal that BJP gave him by changing the use of the land, on a ridiculous annual ground rent of Rs one. What will happen to the structure that Baba has built on the land is not known. The case is before the high court awaiting trial. . The raw material he uses and sells at his outlets has been found to be adulterated.He might yet face a criminal investigation for the mysterious disappearance of his Guru, whose Asharam Baba Ram has been using as a beneficiary.and last but not the least, his companion Achary Balkrishan is involved in a criminal case of uttering false document to get Indian nationality. Unless, the Baba has been offered the position of at least the Vice President of India, if I were in Baba's shoes, I would have remained a Yoga Guru and called it a day. Devinder Thakur Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics Dear Vasant ji
I'm sure that you know that I, Sharmaji and many others on this list are no less wedded to cause of Hindutva than anyone else.
For your kind information the said meeting took place around 3.Nov 2009 and the videos of Ramdev's address is on youtube.
The Deobandi's are now being severely criticised within the Muslim polity for their association with Hindus. Ramdev's speech/video is a cited example.
http://reformer1500.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/haqikat-in-reality-of-deoband-madrashah/
"Home Minister P.Chidambaram, Minister of State for Communications Sachin Pilot, All India Muslim Personal Law Board's senior vice president Maulana Kalbe Sadiq and social activist Swami Agnivesh also addressed the gathering. Swami Agnivesh too drew much applause when he talked about banning liquor as well as urging Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram."
Can you deny "wherever BJP is in power Ramdev supports BJP, wherever Congress is in power he claims to be Congressi". This is not my statement, it is the statement of a very respected saint of Hindu Samaj. I shall not publish the rest of the statement as it is very well known.
In any case I find this whole line of argument about Ramdev's entry into politics to be irrelevant in the anti-corruption space now.
The list of Congress affiliated haramis who scuttled IAC's expose of the Commonwealth Games scam in 2010 is well known and published on the Art of Living website. Swami Ramdev and Bharat Swabhiman Trust were very much a part of Congress's damage control mission then.
http://www.artofliving.org/in-en/india-against-corruption-iac
Sarbajit But he is ot after few thousands or lacs; he wants whole lot to be brought back. Any proof that he was a part of Chidembaram junket to Deoband?Orisit a fig of your imagination to ridicule him as a member of loot company?
From: S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com>
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