Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

I dislike organised rights who follows limousine democracy.SHOULD all work together is a next to impossible task/job. Baba RamDev, Anna Hazare, Arvind Kejriwall etall are on the streets and trying to do jobs on principles. Let the mo9mentum gather to push forward. Some may be corrupt afterwards which we are accustomed. What difference does it make with one more increased corrupt man. We3 have to go on showering on the desert. Dont know when some green flourish. Israel made the desert changed(no o9ffence) regards panda KALYAN PANDA INDIA +91-9146845353 / 9323839387 www.yahoo.com/group/skdubeyFoundation http://www.sealpackengineers.com/ --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote: From: Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 6:40 PM Dear Friends, I completely agree with Shri SK Chadha,We all have weaknesses but for the National Objective,we should all work together without hurting individual sentiments untill proven/well known facts by many people. Thanks & Regards R.K.Atri On 3/14/13, SK Chadda <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sharmaji > Your comments about indian business community are extremely biased. I > beleive you hardly know what's a "BUSINESSMAN". A Businessman pays Exise > Duty, VAT, Service Tax, Income Tax for the national development. To be a > businessman is no joke. Yes,  integrity is the key word. Anyway our present > topic is not business or businessman. > > I must mention that I am aware of the efforts of Chitra Subramaniam and N. > Ram. We can not underestmate their effort. But before Baba Ram Dev > brought the issue through TV, how many people were aware of Chitra nad > Ram's effort. Today even a small child asks questions about Black Money. > > I also feel that IAC should not use its paltform to use derogatory remarks > (scoudrels) about an individual or a particular community (BUSINESS > COMMUNITY). Baba Ramdev does not need Dalaals. His name itself is > sufficient to get his job done. Though I personally do not know which land > he has got at throw away rates, but I understand that, since there is > provision to allot the land for specific purposes at cheaper rates, he > probably got under the provisions. Otherwise, the Congress Goverment would > have finished him by now. He has got guts to confront and survive. > > Please understand and appreciate that unless you are strong professionally > and fiancially, you can not make your presence felt at national level. He > is a great professional, he speaks well and over a period he has made > himself financially strong. > > We all feel that GOOD persons or groups should join hands and fight against > foreigners. No two persons will have same ideograph. But for a common goal > such differences can be side tracked and proceed forward with killing > instinct. > >  Best wishes. > > SK Chadda > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Dear Chadda >> >> You ask what wrong Baba Ramdev has done ? >> It would take at least 3 encyclopedias to fill all his misdeeds. But, IAC >> platforms should not be waste on scoundrels like Baba Ramdev. >> >> His preparations are cheaper because he evades paying taxes. In 2004 his >> turnover was at least 30 crores. He only declared sales of Rs. 6.73 lakhs >> and paid tax of Rs. 50,000/-. After he was raided many times that year, >> he >> pulled strings to show the sales of Rs. 5 crores to Special Investigation >> Team headed by Rana and even on that the tax was not paid. His trust >> finds >> it cheaper to litigate the cases and bribe the officers and politicians >> instead of paying taxes. Baba Ramdev is no different from Ambanis and >> every >> other Indian BUSINESSMAN. >> >> With all this black money, he is buying and devloping land which is >> usually given to him at throwaway prices or registered at circle rates. >> How >> he has risen from zero to Rs. 10,000+ crore hero in 10 years is not >> possible unless he is front for somebody and paying of everyone in >> government. Now that Congress is in power, he is trying to cut some deals >> to carry on his business and there is no shortage of dalaals offering to >> help him place his money. >> >> You know nothing if you claim Baba Ramdev is first to raise issue of >> black >> funds in Swiss banks. What were Chitra Subramaniam and N.Ram doing for >> Lotus and Quattrochi in Bofors deal ? >> >> You can read these articles, it may help you. >> >> http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main52.asp?filename=Ws190312Black_money.asp >> >> >> http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main49.asp?filename=Ne180611Coverstory2.asp >> >> S D Sharma >> >>  On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, SK Chadda <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What wrong Baba Ramdev has done? He has brought awareness to a common >>> man >>> and made people think and practice Yoga. The ayurvedic medicines from >>> Patanjali cost almost half the price as compared to giants like Dabur. >>> It >>> is not possible in our country to even exist after confronting with the >>> Congress Government. He surviving gracefully even after making so much >>> of >>> money and owning properties. Why should sonmeone be jealous of his >>> ambitions and hard earned money. If he had used unlawful ways to earn >>> money, do you think this Government would have been keeping quite for so >>> long. >>> >>> He is first person to to have courage to speak out about black money >>> lying in Swiss banks. >>> >>> S Kumar >>> >>>  On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM, govindan menon >>> <tcgmenon@hotmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>>  Baba Ramdev is a patriotic sanyasi, who is an asset for the whole >>>> world. Not Agnivesh,who is a commie. >>>> >>>>  ------------------------------ >>>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:46:18 +0530 >>>> From: rbpurohit4productivity@gmail.com >>>> >>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc >>>> >>>>  Its true. >>>> Indian nation was built by religious leaders like Shankaracharya and >>>> others. >>>> I don't  feel Baba comes under that category. >>>> On 11-Mar-2013 12:40 AM, "Anamika R" <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>  If personalities like Baba Ramdev and Swami Agnivesh seek attention, >>>> it is really their choice. >>>> >>>> But such initiatives must push us to address macro level issues like - >>>> >>>> a) barring exceptions, are religious leaders equipped to handle >>>> anti-corruption movements >>>> >>>> b) should religion be used as a handle to leverage a nation building >>>> activity >>>> >>>> c) will anti-corruption movements remain opinions on paper or remain >>>> localised, due to lack of non-partisan, patriotic, committed >>>> visionaries >>>> who can lead from the front >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 10-Mar-2013, at 23:11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>  Sir >>>> >>>> The main worry committed Bhartiya's now have is "Is Ramdev another >>>> Agnivesh ?" >>>> >>>> This is no easy answer to this question. Agnivesh at his best had only >>>> grabbed a few prime Arya Samaj properties, generated a fake Arya Samaj, >>>> acted as a spokesperson / go-between for LWEs,  floated a few NGOs to >>>> harass industrialists in Haryana and infiltrated various social >>>> movements >>>> which were only too happy to have him. >>>> >>>> In other words, small change compared to Ramdev, who himself was an >>>> Sangh plant to keep tabs on Agnivesh and the Congress. >>>> >>>> Both these religious leaders together ensured that the anti-corruption >>>> movement which was to have started after the CommonWealth Games 2010 >>>> failed >>>> to take off. The BJP had its own set of mafias which profited hugely >>>> from >>>> the games, and it was in the interests of both the Congress and BJP to >>>> scuttle any effective actions into the scams. They achieved it easily >>>> through Agnivesh and Ramdev. The entire 10 member LokPal drafting >>>> Committee >>>> was a convenient mutual benefit society for Congress and BJP to ensure >>>> that >>>> nothing got done. >>>> >>>> Another tip-off was the involvement of Maulana Masood Madni and Arch >>>> Bishop Vincent Concessao in the 2010 post Games protests.  After >>>> Agnivesh >>>> had been exposed as a Congress plant the Maulana was busy >>>> audio-recording >>>> proceedings of IAC's meetings. In short, the entire religious machinery >>>> was >>>> used as spies and infiltrators to ensure that the mafias got away with >>>> the >>>> loot.  It is a psychological thing that average human beings are >>>> instinctively programmed to "respect" religious figures and not >>>> question >>>> them too much. >>>> >>>> Paraphrasing what somebody had mentioned in context of Orwell and >>>> Gandhi >>>> - >>>> >>>> Can we really trust ANY religious leader to be part of an >>>> anti-corruption movement ? * >>>> >>>> NOT AT ALL !!!* >>>> >>>> Sarbajit >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM, >>>> <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>  Baba Ram Dev might not be me nor does he need my advice but be assured >>>> that he does not need all the lip service and empty posturing by the >>>> saffron crowd either as it has brought nothing for him but misery. >>>> although >>>> not exactly in the same way as it has done in the case of Sandhiv >>>> Pragya >>>> Singh Thakur.. a feisty young woman who fell for the saffron ideology >>>> and >>>> has paid a heavy price for a photo opportunity with the big wigs of the >>>> BJP and was seen in the picture sitting right behind Sh. Raj Nath >>>> Singhand is now rotting in Jail, suffering from breast cancer,  can't >>>> even get >>>> bail which is her right.but has been denied. Here father  who has >>>> recently died had told the press that let the law take its course.and >>>> the >>>> course of law has become a bit too long for any one's liking. and a >>>> good woman is being wasted in jail. >>>> >>>> As far as one knows, no one senior from the BJP visited her. The only >>>> person who went to see her in prison was none other than good old >>>> BabaRam Dev. 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