Wednesday, March 13, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

 Communism and capitalism both Jewish inventions  are not the only political philosophies . NATIONAL SOCIALISM has great merits  too  

chauhan

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Satish Oberoi
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

 

 

 As long as Communism is considered as one of the philosophies which came at a time when countries needed it, played its part and then  it became history, it is fine. 

 

Communism can appeal to sections of people at certain times but very soon it will fail for the same reason as other systems have failed. Question arises as to why reject Communism ? It is because Communism works contrary to human nature and hence does not allow normal human beings to develop to their full potential. 

 

Regds,

 

Satish

 

From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013, 16:23
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

 

13/3/13
 

I am not a communist but I find nothing wrong in the philisophy behind communism.

If you want to have a peep at American Imperialism since worldwar two, read books of John Perkins.

3. Do you consider China as a communist or capitalist country. Is this a failed communist state.

4.Sadhvi Pragya is being used as a pawn to keep alive the bogey of the so called saffron terroism and the govt. is using all tricks to keep delaying the matter. If  there was substance and proof she would have been convicted by now. Her bail certainly deserves to be grnated.

5. As against this, see how release of Italian Marines, Octovio K.,Anderson and Denish D.

  were manipulated.

Regds

Gaur

 

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From: seemamustafa@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:17:42 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

Exactly what's wrong with being a communist?? 

Seema Mustafa


On 12-Mar-2013, at 18:26, Tapan Ghosh <tapanghosh6@gmail.com> wrote:

Ms. Madhok, it seems that you are a new communist lover. No problem. Only try to know why the common people of the erstwhile communist world rejected it. Why people of Leningrad, when got liberty, crushed the statue of Lenin with contempt. Why Germans of both side of Berlin Wall crushed that historic Wall with their household utensils. Try to know who and why killed Trotsky. Try to read 'Gulag Archipelago' by Solzhenitsyn. Try to know why the countries of communist world became beggar. 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Sujata Madhok <sujatamadhok@gmail.com> wrote:

What's wrong with being, as you put it, "a commie"?

 

communists believe in equality, unlike capitalists who thrive on exploitation of fellow beings to create their wealth. 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM, govindan menon <tcgmenon@hotmail.com> wrote:

Baba Ramdev is a patriotic sanyasi, who is an asset for the whole world. Not Agnivesh,who is a commie.

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:46:18 +0530
From: rbpurohit4productivity@gmail.com


To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev, etc

Its true.
Indian nation was built by religious leaders like Shankaracharya and others.
I don't  feel Baba comes under that category.

On 11-Mar-2013 12:40 AM, "Anamika R" <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:

If personalities like Baba Ramdev and Swami Agnivesh seek attention, it is really their choice.

 

But such initiatives must push us to address macro level issues like - 

 

a) barring exceptions, are religious leaders equipped to handle anti-corruption movements

 

b) should religion be used as a handle to leverage a nation building activity

 

c) will anti-corruption movements remain opinions on paper or remain localised, due to lack of non-partisan, patriotic, committed visionaries who can lead from the front

 

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On 10-Mar-2013, at 23:11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir

The main worry committed Bhartiya's now have is "Is Ramdev another Agnivesh ?"

This is no easy answer to this question. Agnivesh at his best had only grabbed a few prime Arya Samaj properties, generated a fake Arya Samaj, acted as a spokesperson / go-between for LWEs,  floated a few NGOs to harass industrialists in Haryana and infiltrated various social movements which were only too happy to have him.

In other words, small change compared to Ramdev, who himself was an Sangh plant to keep tabs on Agnivesh and the Congress.

Both these religious leaders together ensured that the anti-corruption movement which was to have started after the CommonWealth Games 2010 failed to take off. The BJP had its own set of mafias which profited hugely from the games, and it was in the interests of both the Congress and BJP to scuttle any effective actions into the scams. They achieved it easily through Agnivesh and Ramdev. The entire 10 member LokPal drafting Committee was a convenient mutual benefit society for Congress and BJP to ensure that nothing got done.

Another tip-off was the involvement of Maulana Masood Madni and Arch Bishop Vincent Concessao in the 2010 post Games protests.  After Agnivesh had been exposed as a Congress plant the Maulana was busy audio-recording  proceedings of IAC's meetings. In short, the entire religious machinery was used as spies and infiltrators to ensure that the mafias got away with the loot.  It is a psychological thing that average human beings are instinctively programmed to "respect" religious figures and not question them too much.

Paraphrasing what somebody had mentioned in context of Orwell and Gandhi -

Can we really trust ANY religious leader to be part of an anti-corruption movement ?

NOT AT ALL !!!

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Baba Ram Dev might not be me nor does he need my advice but be assured that he does not need all the lip service and empty posturing by the saffron crowd either as it has brought nothing for him but misery. although not exactly in the same way as it has done in the case of Sandhiv Pragya Singh Thakur.. a feisty young woman who fell for the saffron ideology and has paid a heavy price for a photo opportunity with the big wigs of the BJP and was seen in the picture sitting right behind Sh. Raj Nath Singh and is now rotting in Jail, suffering from breast cancer,  can't even get bail which is her right.but has been denied. Here father  who has recently died had told the press that let the law take its course.and the course of law has become a bit too long for any one's liking. and a good woman is being wasted in jail.

 

As far as one knows, no one senior from the BJP visited her. The only person who went to see her in prison was none other than good old Baba Ram Dev. So Jai Ho Baba Ram Dev Ji.Ki.  Devinder Thakur.

 


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