Saturday, March 9, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: "good" BLACK Money

Dear Sir,

In our country there are multitude of issues and so called problems.
There are no straight  solutions to them.
What I mean is  that if you adopt a certain action the result would be resolution of all ills / problems
In my meagre thinking the approach  should be - to chart out stages, from where we are, to where we want to go. Tackle major issues first.
In this process there would be confusion during the transition but if the clarity of vision is maintained, the goal is achievable.

stages could be:

root out the present govt which has created the mess we are in, and is arrogant about it - prevent it to coming to power.
support  well intentioned new outfits like aam admi party, Baba ramdev'sparty,  others if any so that they can act as pressure groups in Parl
Pressurise the next govt to act against the corrupts of the present regimes and perform.
Apart from this efforts by public / media and other organisation to continue relentlessly to expose the corruption / inefficiency / abuse of power

there can be a chance that the smaller outfits that we support / elect may compromise, in that event the future of the smaller entities would be doomed

 That the chance we have to take. 




On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Madan Bhanot <bhanotmadan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
While I appreciate the efforts of 'Aam Admi" movement, we are
forgetting the basic factor of 'corruption of mind'. We need to carry
out 'dialysis of national character'. So that the individual becomes
clean.

The definitions and cementics of Good Black and White Black money are
all wastage of time. Today over 57% rural India is not literate. They
are gradually getting exposed to the new raelities of life.  You have
talked about the profits of small vendors, what about his losses? What
about the f'ree fund parasites' who harrass them?

Getting clean loans and maintaining accounts for them are cumbersome.
They have to depend on money lenders who charge upto 60 % interest
because 40 % loan is never  get recovered by them. Or they are helped
by para banking. Why confine ourselves to rural areas, the venders or
pheriwalas also depend on money lenders as they cannot mortgage any
thing to get bank loans. How do you answer that? Why 'Aam AAdmi
crusaders do no take care of that?

Good to make slogan and be sensational crusaders for media hype,
please get to the roots of the problem and clean the minds and
organise dialysis of National Character.

Warm regards.

Madan Bhanot

On 3/9/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Vijaya
>
> 1) Taxes are an indirect way of raising revenue for the state as
> compared to direct revenue by providing services / selling resources.
> Nobody would seriously object / protest if taxes were used efficiently
> to achieve their stated / advertised purposes. Instead we see taxes
> being frittered away on salaries and overheads of an overstaffed
> bureaucratic machine which defies all efforts to downsize it. CAPITAL
> expenditure is financed by simply printing more and more money -
> thereby fuelling inflation and causing prices to spiral. Valuable
> State resources are sold / leased at throwaway prices to cronies.
>
> 2)  How is bribing to secure a contract not harmful to the State ?
> Since State contracts are awarded through methods like tender, bribing
> would mean that the manipulations are done well prior to the tender -
> eg the 2G scam where the criteria and process were manipulated so that
> other bidders were rejected. This directly results in lesser revenue
> to the State. Its not like a railway ticket - the price of which is a
> constant.
>
> This argument actually leads into new debate about India's "socialist"
> systems, subsidies and whether railway tickets, public hospital beds
> etc should be priced at market price like Jet Airways or Apollo
> Hospitals do.
>
> 3)  The DDA flat example is interesting.  DDA flats are sold either by
> auction or to registrants in schemes 20 to 40 years old (the victims
> of which are forever in the "Q" with no option but to accept whatever
> DDA finally dumps on them). Wise people only buy DDA flats in resale
> in the open market because the DDA is one of the biggest cheats in the
> business when it comes to quality and delivery
>
> So once again its an argument for either.a "Socialism which delivers"
> or Outright Capitalism.
>
> IAC stands for socialism.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 3/8/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Black money is generated by tax evasion which hurts the state.
>>
>> According to your definition of corruption,bribing for jumping the queue
>> to
>> get a seat in the train or admission in a school or hospital, are
>> acceptable.Extending it a little further, bribing to secure a contract
>> or
>> allotment of a DDA flat may also be acceptable as it does not hurt the
>> state
>> but persons ahead in the queue.
>> You are not only condoning corruption but making it respectable.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>

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