Re: [IAC#RG] ACTION: This fraud called "elections"

This whole business of positive and negative votes is too cumbersome and difficult to comprehend and even more difficult to implement. Crooks can beat the system We should instead have a system of voting only for parties and not individual candidates.. Parties should compete on the strength of their manifesto and an announced list of credible, clean potential ministers in the order of merit as they themselves see them. The public can vote knowing what type of persons will wield power as ministers. This will make the parties more responsible and transparent. The public can reject parties with dubious leaders. Finally you have to trust the voting public. we need to remember that even a squeaky clean person like our PM and Defence minister can look the other way when corruption takes place under their own nose. Some like Laloo have become corrupt even after neing followers of Jaiprakash narain! no one can guarantee 100% satisfaction

 

With regards

 N.Natarajan

From: pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] ACTION: This fraud called "elections"

Thanks Sarbajit. So if a majority of voters exercise the negative vote then will the candidate with the lesser number of negative votes get elected? What about vague candidates getting a fraction of the positive vote? Will they get elected? Is there any country where such a system is in place? Will the politicos even consider such a radical change? I hope we are not barking up the wrong tree! Pavan

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Pavan

Voting is a highly mathematical and statistical issue.
It seems you are yet to get the mathematics behind it.

In a scenario with anywhere from 10 to 100 candidates on
the ballot and with winners winning with only 30% of the vote,
it is utopian to believe that 50% of the people are going to
reject all candidates.

The negative -1 vote is a great game changer. It allows
the "anger" of the people to be "targeted" / "focussed".
This directly brings about ACCOUNTABILITY. MPs and
parties will not be able to take voters for granted.

Even a 3% Negative vote will shaft most MPs.
Another thing, the way the EVM results are tallied
nowadays, it becomes fairly easy for polling agents
to see at a detailed micro level which blocks / booths
are voting for their party because of +1 votes. With
-1 votes they wont be able to spot it so easily - hence
the role of money and liquor is reduced because the
assured payoff gets blurred.

Just the -1 vote will sort out 50% of the problem, and
that is more than enough for now. All that is needed is
the movement to achieve it, which needs a more aware
IAC membership than exists at present and synergy
with other forces.

PS: the 73rd and 74th Amendments are more garbage to
distract and fool the citizens. Ignore them.

Sarbajit

On 3/6/13, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
> So the negative vote is against the party even if the candidate is very
> good. I see several anomalies. How will the negative vote eliminate
> dynastic politics which is now prevalent across all parties, regional and
> national? Should we also not be thinking of limiting the number of terms of
> a candidate. The President of the US  gets a maximum of two terms. MPs
> should also have two terms and maybe one in the Rajya Sabha. The abstention
> option is on the statute and the returning officer has to record
> abstentions. Therefore the number of abstentions for a constituency should
> be made public. The turnout may be much more if a clause of rejection is
> legislated/promulgated if abstentions are more than 50%. What about
> devolution of powers to urban and rural local bodies? In spit of the 73rd
> and 74th amendments, noting has happened. If power (read financial power)
> is retained at the center/state level then corruption which has been
> institutionalised will just continue. Just the negative vote will not
> resolve these issues. Just a few thoughts. Pavan Nair
>

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