Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011.

Now, there are two option before the reporter, first, file first apeal and second is to go in complaint for malafidely denying the information against 10 queries.  It is for the CPIO to defend denial and justify it even before the rules take place. --- On Tue, 11/1/11, ravindrarti09 singh <ravindrarti09singh@gmail.com> wrote: From: ravindrarti09 singh <ravindrarti09singh@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 2:31 PM dear gupta ji, this rules are also implement in chhattisgarh and many problem created by this rules my friends who use the rti in broad way in chhattisgarh are angry we all continue protest   bt govt are not considerd  it is TANASHAHI(dectetership) On 10/01/2011, sridhara babu <legaldocumentations@yahoo.co.in> wrote: > I KNOW WHAT IS OVER REACTION AND WHAT IS NOT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO IS > BACKSTABBING BASTARDS, WAIT,  APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES WILL REACH THEIR DOORS > UNDER CYBER CRIME OFFENCES. > > MY FRIENDS > > DO YOU KNOW IT IS CRIME TO CHAT IN EMAILS AND GROUPS WITH FAKE IDENTITY? > > DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LOGGING IN WITH SAME IP WITH HOW MANY MAILS? > > DO YOU KNOW HOW LEADING GROUPS ARE BEING THWARTED WITH SEX MAILS? > > WAIT AND SEE WHO WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS FOR ALL THESE USELESS EFFORTS ? > > > SRIDHARA BABU N > ADVOCATE > > LEGAL DOCUMENTATIONS > G.K.ROAD, K.R.EXTENSION > TUMKUR, KARNATAKA, INDIA > PH:9880339764 > http://sridharababu.blogspot.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> > To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tue, 11 January, 2011 9:40:18 AM > Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, > dated 9th Jan. 2011. > > > This is an over reaction by Mr S. Babu > > --- On Mon, 10/1/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> >>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >> CIC, >>dated 9th Jan. 2011. >>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >>Date: Monday, 10 January, 2011, 8:26 PM >> >> >>Dear Shridara Babu >> >>It is not clear which set of backstabbing bastards you are referring to. >> Please >>expand further. >> >>Best Wishes >>Sarbajit Roy >> >> >> >>On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, sridhara babu >> <legaldocumentations@yahoo.co.in> >>wrote: >> >> >>> >>> TO  ALL >>> >>> >>>Another broker class for ruling people are already emerging in social club >>> and >>>other arena like these groups. Their main aim is to gather information >>> what an >>>activist is doing. So i kindly advice all real activists to do whatever >>> they do >>>in secrecy. Out of curiosity do not give any documentary information >>> through >>>emails and other way. >>> >>> >>>People cannot be murdered, but people can be made depressed and got >>> dejected >>>from use of various techniques and frauds. All those persons modus >>> operandi is >>>running in such a way that they never make unity among real activists. >>> >>>So avoid all people who needlessly make you to spill your secrets of >>> lawfull >>>activity. >>> >>>IAM NOT A MEMBER OF HUMJANENGE GROUP OR RTI EMPOWERMENT GROUP, WHO MADE ME >>> THE >>>MEMBER? >>> >>>HOW I WAS MADE MEMBER AND EMAILS ARE POURING IN TO MY EMAIL? >>> >>>DO ANY ONE OBSERVED IN THE  COLUMN EVERY ONE BUSY IN TEASING OTHERS? >>> >>>HAVE YOU OBSERVED WHY THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING ON, KNOW IT JUST >>> BECAUSE OF >>>THESE BROKER CLASS. >>> >>>YOU AND I CANNOT BE MURDERED BUT MANY PEOPLE FIGHTING ON THEIR OWN CAN BE >>> MISLED >>>AND EASILY TARGETED BY FALSE ACTIVISTS, FALSE PROPAGANDA. >>> >>> >>>BEWARE ABOUT BASTARD BACKSTABBERS >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>SRIDHARA BABU N >>>ADVOCATE >>> >>>LEGAL DOCUMENTATIONS >>>G.K.ROAD, K.R.EXTENSION >>>TUMKUR, KARNATAKA, INDIA >>>PH:9880339764 >>>http://sridharababu.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ >  From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> >>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in; Bhaskar >>> Prabhu >>><mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Mon,  10 January, 2011 6:48:28 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >>> CIC, >>>dated 9th Jan. 2011. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dear Mr. Khemani & othersm >>> >>>I concur with you. Using RTI Act without knowledge of laws enacted & >>>Constitution of India may become counter productive. >>> >>>Regards, >>>WEDS >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ >  From: bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> >>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >>>Cc: vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in >>>Sent: Mon, 10 January, 2011 6:35:38 >>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >>> CIC, >>>dated 9th  Jan. 2011. >>> >>> >>>Friends >>> >>>Under RTI a class of people emerging very fast that is INFORMATION >>> SEEKERS. This >>>class uses this tool for their own personal gain and say that they are RTI >>> >>>ACTIVISTS. >>> >>> >>>Bimal Khemani >>>RTI activist >>>ALIGARH-202001 >>>INDIA >>>Mob:935-972-4625 >>> >>>--- On Sun, 9/1/11, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> >>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >>>> CIC, >>>>dated 9th Jan. 2011. >>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >>>>Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 10:52 PM >>>> >>>> >>>>Dear Prabhu Ji , >>>>Here is the first part of Karnataka Experience >>>>Yes I do agree that It was Some Uni directional and Eclipsed Thinking of >>>> a Few >>>>Persons . For Gods sake please Donot Call them as "ACTIVISTS" , they Are >>>> only >>>>"USERS" and BENEFICIARIES" >>>> >>>>Incidentally a Large Group of Us Went to Thier Place Requested them After >>>> >>>>explaining What would Happen Ultimately . I am Sorry that these people >>>> Assured >>>>us , promised us that They will also Come to Meet the Then SCIC whose >>>> Brain >>>>Child was this Entire Idea of Iinserting the Ammendement . >>>>The Next day when the Meet with the SCIC Was Scheduled , All these People >>>> Failed >>>>Come to the Meet and Yes we Explained our Views /rationale and asked that >>>> Since >>>>He Has reccomended , he Should only Now seek Not to Ammenend . However He >>>> >>>>Expressed his inability and assured that he will look into Any Violations >>>> on >>>>this Rule 14 very severly . >>>>The Worst Part of This story is Our freinds the very Next Went in another >>>> >>>>delegation to meet SCIC on the same subject matter . >>>>this exposed that there is No Unity and then They succeded in everything >>>> in the >>>>name of "ADVOCACY" >>>> >>>>Even today Whatever they are Telling others as "INTERNAL DEMOCRACY" has >>>> become a >>>>misnomer >>>> >>>>I will Write on the File Note sheets Reccomending the Ammendement Made By >>>> KIC in >>>>My Next Mail >>>> >>>>N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI study center & KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N >>>> >>>>Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. >>>> >>>>--- On Sun, 9/1/11, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> >>>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >>>>> CIC, >>>>>dated 9th Jan. 2011. >>>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >>>>>Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 10:34 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dear Vikram, >>>>> >>>>>I am sorry say that Karnataka activists kept very quite when this was >>>>> amended, >>>>>the problem is activists keep quite when they are entertained or given >>>>> priority >>>>>or are shown that they are given importance and activists forget the >>>>> long term >>>>>effect of the "white ant" in this case it was one subject and 150 words, >>>>> which >>>>>karnataka has shown the way for others to follow. And any how one of >>>>> karnataka >>>>>bureaucrat transferred is in delhi and it will be joyfull success >>>>> stories that >>>>>he might be telling to Delhiate bureaucrats how Karnataka Crippled this >>>>> act by >>>>>limiting to words. >>>>> >>>>>I do agree doing agitations sometimes don't solve the problem, but there >>>>> was no >>>>>sustaionable protests regarding the same in Karnataka pertaining to >>>>> words limit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The govt did not even ask the public opinion. >>>>> >>>>>Yours in RTI service >>>>>Bhaskar Prabhu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> >>>>> >>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Dear Guptha ji , >>>>>>Both Mr Venkatesh Nayak and sukumar have Certainly Expressed what is >>>>>> Required , >>>>>>In Our State having Already been Imposed this Rule (ofcourse in an >>>>>> Little >>>>>>different form) , The Entire Bureacracy in Upto the Neck to Use this >>>>>> Worst >>>>>>ammendement . >>>>>>There are Cases and Files With me where the answer is the Reply will be >>>>>> more >>>>>>than 150 words hence ammended rule Does not permit . >>>>>>Therefore the Bad , Bad , worst Experience of Karnataka has to Be >>>>>> streched to >>>>>>ensure the ammendements are Not Made . >>>>>>The Reporter of TOI , chennai must Carry on this including Filing >>>>>> Appeals and If >>>>>>possible Other cases in Other forums as derliction of Duty , wrong >>>>>>interpretation etc., >>>>>> >>>>>>N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI Study center & KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M >>>>>> N >>>>>>Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. >>>>>> >>>>>>--- On Sun, 9/1/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> >>>>>>>Subject: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: >>>>>>> CIC, dated >>>>>>>9th Jan. 2011. >>>>>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 3:55 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>FROM TOI, CHENNAI, DATED 9.1.2011. >>>>>>>FROM TIMES OF INDIA, CHENNAI, BY JEEVA, REPORTERRTI queries on only 1 >>>>>>> subject at >>>>>>>a time: CIC, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>CHENNAI: Even as the Centre is considering amendments to the Right To >>>>>>>Information rules, seeking to restrict RTIapplications to one subject >>>>>>> at a time >>>>>>>and to 250 words, the Central Information Commission(CIC) in New >>>>>>> Delhiseems to >>>>>>>have gone a step ahead by implementing the draft proposals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>To an RTI application filed by this reporter on December 6, 2010, >>>>>>> which raised >>>>>>>20 queries seeking details pertaining to follow-up of fines imposed >>>>>>> against >>>>>>>public authorities, court stay obtained by public information officers >>>>>>> against >>>>>>>commission's order, disposal of cases and pending final appeals, the >>>>>>> CICchose to >>>>>>>reply to only to ten questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The remaining ten questions, the commission said, were related to a >>>>>>> different >>>>>>>subject matter' and hence the applicant has to file another RTI >>>>>>> application to >>>>>>>get the information. "Your queries number 1 to 10 would qualify as one >>>>>>> request' >>>>>>>for which you have paid the application fee of Rs 10. You may >>>>>>> therefore, send >>>>>>>separate request and pay fee for your queries number one 11 to 20,'' >>>>>>> the reply >>>>>>>from the CIC, dated December 30, 2010, said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This reporter had sought to know the average number of appeals >>>>>>> received daily >>>>>>>and, number of cases in which fines were imposed, number of errant >>>>>>> public >>>>>>>information officers paid the fine and those who have not paid it, >>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>cases in which errant public authorities obtained court stay against >>>>>>>commission's orders and whether the CIC is included as respondent in >>>>>>> such cases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>During early last month, department of personnel and training (DoPT), >>>>>>>functioning under the Union ministry of personnel and public >>>>>>> grievances, >>>>>>>released the draft amendments and announced that public can send their >>>>>>> views on >>>>>>>or before December 27, 2010. While the DoPT has not yet announced the >>>>>>> decision >>>>>>>on the draft amendments, the CIC's reply,  arbitrarily enforcing the >>>>>>> draft >>>>>>>rules, has agitated RTI activists and groups. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"When rules are not yet amended and the amendment is only in the draft >>>>>>> stage, >>>>>>>the CIC should clarify that under which provisions of law and under >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>authority it has imposed the one-subject' restriction. In fact, this >>>>>>> reply is a >>>>>>>standing testimony as to why we oppose the draft amendments tooth and >>>>>>> nail," >>>>>>>said Venkatesh Nayak, a coordinator of Commonwealth Human Rights >>>>>>> Initiative, a >>>>>>>New Delhi-based NGO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A Sukumar, an RTI activist in Chennai, said, "We cannot accept this >>>>>>> sort of >>>>>>>reply from the CIC, which is supposed to safeguard the Act from being >>>>>>> diluted by >>>>>>>the bureaucracy. It would only mislead public authorities to >>>>>>> discourage RTI >>>>>>>applicants instead of encouraging them. This reply only shows that the >>>>>>> DoPT >>>>>>>should not give effect to the draft amendments.'' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jeeva.pugazvendan@timesgroup.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > >