Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011.

Friends   If we stick a label of  RTI ACTIVIST.  than it becomes our duty to educate and encourage the massses to use RTI and  start digging  out informations one by one. Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Mon, 10/1/11, haridas mandal <acsman123@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: haridas mandal <acsman123@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> Date: Monday, 10 January, 2011, 7:35 PM Even that is true where is the harm. Everything is kept under the official secret act while RADIAGATES are in fashion. Let's empower each and every citizen of this country to know all about every thing happening in the name of good governance. Why only so called legally qualified people be given that sacred place to befool the masses? Haridas Mandal --- On Mon, 10/1/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> Date: Monday, 10 January, 2011, 6:48 AM Dear Mr. Khemani & othersm   I concur with you. Using RTI Act without knowledge of laws enacted & Constitution of India may become counter productive.   Regards, WEDS From: bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Cc: vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in Sent: Mon, 10 January, 2011 6:35:38 Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. Friends   Under RTI a class of people emerging very fast that is INFORMATION SEEKERS. This class uses this tool for their own personal gain and say that they are RTI ACTIVISTS. Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Sun, 9/1/11, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 10:52 PM Dear Prabhu Ji , Here is the first part of Karnataka Experience Yes I do agree that It was Some Uni directional and Eclipsed Thinking of a Few Persons . For Gods sake please Donot Call them as "ACTIVISTS" , they Are only "USERS" and BENEFICIARIES" Incidentally a Large Group of Us Went to Thier Place Requested them After explaining What would Happen Ultimately . I am Sorry that these people Assured us , promised us that They will also Come to Meet the Then SCIC whose Brain Child was this Entire Idea of Iinserting the Ammendement . The Next day when the Meet with the SCIC Was Scheduled , All these People Failed Come to the Meet and Yes we Explained our Views /rationale and asked that Since He Has reccomended , he Should only Now seek Not to Ammenend . However He Expressed his inability and assured that he will look into Any Violations on this Rule 14 very severly . The Worst Part of This story is Our freinds the very Next Went in another delegation to meet SCIC on the same subject matter . this exposed that there is No Unity and then They succeded in everything in the name of "ADVOCACY" Even today Whatever they are Telling others as "INTERNAL DEMOCRACY" has become a misnomer I will Write on the File Note sheets Reccomending the Ammendement Made By KIC in My Next Mail  N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI study center & KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Sun, 9/1/11, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote: From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 10:34 PM Dear Vikram,   I am sorry say that Karnataka activists kept very quite when this was amended, the problem is activists keep quite when they are entertained or given priority or are shown that they are given importance and activists forget the long term effect of the "white ant" in this case it was one subject and 150 words, which karnataka has shown the way for others to follow. And any how one of karnataka bureaucrat transferred is in delhi and it will be joyfull success stories that he might be telling to Delhiate bureaucrats how Karnataka Crippled this act by limiting to words.   I do agree doing agitations sometimes don't solve the problem, but there was no sustaionable protests regarding the same in Karnataka pertaining to words limit.   The govt did not even ask the public opinion.   Yours in RTI service Bhaskar Prabhu On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: Dear Guptha ji , Both Mr Venkatesh Nayak and sukumar have Certainly Expressed what is Required , In Our State having Already been Imposed this Rule (ofcourse in an Little different form) , The Entire Bureacracy in Upto the Neck to Use this Worst ammendement . There are Cases and Files With me where the answer is the Reply will be more than 150 words hence ammended rule Does not permit . Therefore the Bad , Bad , worst Experience of Karnataka has to Be streched to ensure the ammendements are Not Made . The Reporter of TOI , chennai must Carry on this including Filing Appeals and If possible Other cases in Other forums as derliction of Duty , wrong interpretation etc., N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI Study center & KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Sun, 9/1/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: [rti4empowerment] RTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC, dated 9th Jan. 2011. To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 3:55 PM FROM TOI, CHENNAI, DATED 9.1.2011. FROM TIMES OF INDIA, CHENNAI, BY JEEVA, REPORTERRTI queries on only 1 subject at a time: CIC,    CHENNAI: Even as the Centre is considering amendments to the Right To Information rules, seeking to restrict RTI applications to one subject at a time and to 250 words, the Central Information Commission (CIC) in New Delhi seems to have gone a step ahead by implementing the draft proposals. To an RTI application filed by this reporter on December 6, 2010, which raised 20 queries seeking details pertaining to follow-up of fines imposed against public authorities, court stay obtained by public information officers against commission's order, disposal of cases and pending final appeals, the CIC chose to reply to only to ten questions. The remaining ten questions, the commission said, were related to a different subject matter' and hence the applicant has to file another RTI application to get the information. "Your queries number 1 to 10 would qualify as one request' for which you have paid the application fee of Rs 10. You may therefore, send separate request and pay fee for your queries number one 11 to 20,'' the reply from the CIC, dated December 30, 2010, said. This reporter had sought to know the average number of appeals received daily and, number of cases in which fines were imposed, number of errant public information officers paid the fine and those who have not paid it, number of cases in which errant public authorities obtained court stay against commission's orders and whether the CIC is included as respondent in such cases. During early last month, department of personnel and training (DoPT), functioning under the Union ministry of personnel and public grievances, released the draft amendments and announced that public can send their views on or before December 27, 2010. While the DoPT has not yet announced the decision on the draft amendments, the CIC's reply, arbitrarily enforcing the draft rules, has agitated RTI activists and groups. "When rules are not yet amended and the amendment is only in the draft stage, the CIC should clarify that under which provisions of law and under what authority it has imposed the one-subject' restriction. In fact, this reply is a standing testimony as to why we oppose the draft amendments tooth and nail," said Venkatesh Nayak, a coordinator of Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative, a New Delhi-based NGO. A Sukumar, an RTI activist in Chennai, said, "We cannot accept this sort of reply from the CIC, which is supposed to safeguard the Act from being diluted by the bureaucracy. It would only mislead public authorities to discourage RTI applicants instead of encouraging them. This reply only shows that the DoPT should not give effect to the draft amendments.'' jeeva.pugazvendan@timesgroup.com