Re: [HumJanenge] False information by Indian Army (PA) to Information Commissioner during 2nd Appeal

My observation are very much correct. Till today after the commencement of

the RTI Act,2005 (Act No.22 of 2005),no one has been given justice.

Even after the commencement of the Constitution ofIndia,till today

Rights of Freedom guaranted under Article 19(1) have not been made availble

to citizen of India.

Many issues have not been resolved,one of them is proof of Citizenship.

We arebeing driven under the british rules divide and rule.

90% person of this counrtry can not read and write the constitution of India,including the Judges.

The Army Officials do not know is their Commanding Officer, Whether President of India or Prime Minister.

The only difference is that one
 

 

Warm regards,

 

Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

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From: Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 12:05:28 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] False information by Indian Army (PA) to Information Commissioner during 2nd Appeal

Absolutely wrong. It is a usual plea of the corrupt PAs. How can
seeking an information in the public domain become harassment ?  Of
course the corrupt PAs will be annoyed if some one ask information
inconvenient to them. Can anyone quote a single case showing that the
particular information sought was a  harassment ?

On 06/01/2011, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> The RTI Act,2005 is meant to get the information,which otherwise kept
> secret.
> It is being noticed that mejor playrers are using it as atool to get certain
> information to
> harass the bueaucrats.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sumit Jha <sumitjha5@yahoo.co.in>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 5 January, 2011 12:31:55 AM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] False information by Indian Army (PA) to Information
> Commissioner during 2nd Appeal
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> I am sure, all of you will be surprised to know the extent to which Indian
> Army
> can go to avoid providing information under RTI, Act. In this matter, when I
> filed appeal to CIC against the orders of FAA and CPIO, the representatives
> of
> the Public Authority (Indian Army) namely Brig. Ved Prakash and Col. Ajay
> gave
> false information to the Information Commission. Based on this information,
> IC
> decided my appeal which ultimately went against me. I recently filed another
> RTI
> Application to Indian Army and the CPIO's reply clearly shows that the
> information provided by the Army Representatives to IC was false/wrong. So,
> today I sent a complaint to the Information Commissioner with a copy to
> Chief
> Information Commissioner with the request to direct Indian Army to provide
> me
> with the information sought and that CIC should initiate/recommend legal
> action
> against the representatives of the PA who provided false information.
>
> I have given below the exact matter in brief. This is for your information
> and
> comments.
>
> Thank You
>
> Sumit Jha
> New Delhi
> -----------------Matter in Brief-------------
> In Indian Army it is a rule that Brigadier and above rank officers have to
> take
> prior permission from competent authority of Army in order to join
> commercial
> employment, if they wish to join within two years of retirement.
>
> So, I had sought to know from the CPIO, Indian Army, whether Brig. ABC had
> sought permission from the competent authority as per rules before taking up
> a
> job with a private organisation after his retirement. The CPIO had refused
> to
> disclose this information in terms of section 8(1)(e) of the RTI Act
> (Information held in fiduciary capacity). The AA had upheld the decision of
> CPIO.
>
> I appealed against the order of AA to CIC, heard on 4.2.2010. Col. Ajay,
> representing PA, submitted that the records relating to the present matter
> are
> retained by the Army authority only for a period of 03 years and since the
> matter is of 2002, these records have been destroyed and so not possible to
> provide any information.
>
> Decision of IC, Shri M.L.Sharma:The denial of information on the ground of
> the
> requested information being kept in fiduciary capacity is not sustainable in
> law. However, given the fact that the PA is not retaining the relevant
> records,
> at present, appeal has become purely of an academic interest. Hence the
> matter
> is closed.
>
> PRESENT MATTER:I recently filed another RTI Application with CPIO, Indian
> Army,
> to know about the period for which such information is kept. The CPIO
> informed
> me that such information is kept for FIFTEEN years. As per information, even
> after fifteen years, when the file is destroyed, certain information is
> noted
> down in the veteran register to meet future requirement. A copy of the
> letter is
> attached.
>
> THEREFORE it is very clear that the public authority not only provided false
> information to the Hon'ble Information Commissioner but tried to dissuade
> him
> from taking the right decision by taking concocted pleas. Also, PA
> deliberately
> tried not to reveal the information despite provisions in the RTI Act.
>
> My Submission:
>     1. PA may kindly be directed to provide me with the complete information at
> the
> earliest.
>     2. The Central Information Commission may kindly recommend/initiate
> suitable
> legal action against the PA for providing wrong information to the Hon'ble
> Information Commissioner, thereby trying to subvert the decision making
> process
> of the commission.
>
>Who is the commanding officer ? President of India or Prime Minister of India or Chief Justice of India or General