Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]

Thanks dear WEDS
Regards
Dr JN Sharma

On 1/9/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear Leslie,
>
> It is not that simple an exercise. Right now it is only " A WISHFUL
> THINKING"
>
> WEDS
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: leslie almeida <leslie_almeida@rediffmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 13:26:39
> Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>
> Constitution should be ammended so that it provide for strigent penalty for
> dereliction of duty, disobedience to the Constitution or violation of the
> provisions of Constitution,then only there will be some meaning to the
> constitution.
>
> L.A.
>
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:26:45 +0530 wrote
>>Dear Leslie & others,
>
> That is an obscene ex-pression which every gentleman or lady should not
> employ
> it.
>
>
> For historical knowledge & by acafdemic interest the ex-pression is
>
> JAB KISMAT GAANDU HAI; PAANDU KYA KAREGA
>
> However, you are wrong Leslie, Indian Constitution & laws enacted by
> parliament
> are excellent. In any democracy the people should be vigilent so that
> Democracy
> functions.therwise the Government installed by people goes astray.
>
> The only drawback I find in the Constitution isthat is does not provide for
> any
> penalty for derelictiomn of duty, disobedience to the Constitution or
> violation
> of the provisions of Constitution, violation of fundamental or human rights
> of
> citizens by Constitutional functionaries(authorities) except one has to use
> provisions of IPC 1860 or The Human Rights Protection Act 1993. The
> functionaries who are empowered to penalise are appointed by the "State" as
> defined by Art. 12 of the Constitution hence, cannot afford to displease the
> state.
>
> Only an impeachment by majority of people of India may do the job. This for
> the
> time being is a "WISHFUL THINKING"
>>
> Law is equal to all:
>
> Read Art 14 of the Constitutionof India.
>
>
> Right to Equality
> Art. 14. The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or
> the
> equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. Definition. Laws
> inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights. 6 Equality
> before
> law.
>
>
> Art. 13. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges
> the
> rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this
> clause
> shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
>
> For appointment of Information Commissioner section 4(c&d) of RTI Act 2005
> apply
> Section
> 4
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (c.)publish all relevant facts while formulating important policies or
> announcing the decisions which affect public;
>
>
> (d)provide reasons for its administrative or quasi-judicial decisions to
> affected persons.
>
> All politicians, Sonia Gandhi. Manmohan Singh, Vajpayee, Advani, Modi are
> all
> public servannts. Let us reconvince ourselves that we are a secular
> democratic
> republic& not subjects in colonial rule. Although by paradox & by our own
> follies, in practice situation is to the contrary.
>
>
> Regards,
> WEDS
>>
>
>
> From: leslie almeida
>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>Cc: wilevades@yahoo.co.uk
>>Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 8:19:23
>>Subject: Re: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>>
>>Jab Kahun hai Gandu too kai are Pandu
>>
>>Law is not equal to all citizens, Politicians have imunity, so they do what
>> they
>>want, example of Ramanand Thiwari's case, Being appointed a State
>> information
>>commissioner of Mumbai by none other than Chief minister, dy ch.minster and
>> an
>>person from the opposition, who are also corrupt. Whay Justice can a
>> citizen
>>get, although can of worms are begining to open up it will take a hurculian
>> task
>>to clean up the act,Constitution should be amended so that every citizen
> is equally in the eyes of Law, no imunity to Beauracats and Politicians,
> will
> our P.M. or Sonia do it, the answer is NO reason if they do so how will they
> generate funds for elections.
>>its sad to note that corruption is also creeping in some of our churches.
>>
>>Mr Leslie Almeida
>>Volunter St. Andrew Church RTI helpline Bandra Mumbai
>>
>>On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:21:14 +0530 wrote
>>>Dear all,
>>
>>I am reminded of a saying" Law is an ass(donkey)"
>>
>>Regards,
>>WEDS
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>Cc: acfanand@gmail.com
>>>Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 12:56:50
>>>Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>>>
>>>Dear WED,Vikramsimha & Annad
>>> It is a great case revealed by Annad and being an Advocate
>>>Rajappa may like to Cross examine the prosecution Witnesses himself.
>>>May be that some Criminal Lawyer join him to cross
> examine
>>>prosecution witnesses.Good lawyer can save him from the punishment. I
>>>hope Rajappa is trying to be bailed out, because then he can do more
>>>labour to search case law. A fellow colleague advocate can better
>>>cross examine
>>the witnesses. I do not know about all this, if Rajappa
>>>has done so.
>>> I remember a case of my advocate colleague against whom a
>>>case u/s 307 IPC was pending. After bail, he prepared a written
>>>arguments of several hundred pages to be filed before session trial
>>>court, for which he kept busy in the Library and hundreds of case law
>>>were quoted by him which took several months and ultimately, he was
>>>released of charges u/s 307.
>>> One can say that he was lucky enough. May be Rajappa may
>>>also be released, if proper cross examining is done. Only one thing is
>>>to be seen that the murdered person too was an Advocate.
>>>God may bless
> all.
>>>Dr JN Sharma
>>> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>>
>>>On 1/8/11, Vikram Simha wrote:
>>>> Ofcourse , Nothing , As One lady in KRIA KATTE argued before me Long Ago
>>>> on
>>>> Such Mails "if you donot Putting such mails on Board --- you Are
>>>> Depriving
>>>> all others of the information & offcourse IOnformation is Power ". On
>>>> Ground
>>>> reality Bangalore mirror is Available only in Bangalore City
>>>> Yes , Any Body Can Land up in Jail any Time and your time can be put to
>>>> best
>>>> use
>>>>
>>>> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>>> Subject: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>>>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 5:00
>>AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Anand S,
>>>>
>>>> Despite
> being accused of Murder, Rajappas' Fundamental & Human Rights are
>>>> not abrogated. RTI is a fundamental & human right.
>>>>
>>>> What do you propse by this mail?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> WEDS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Anand acf
>>>> To: vishva-kannada-samaja ; hrm
>>>> ; citizens-action-forum
>>>> ; rti4empowerment
>>>> ; humjanenge
>>>> Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 21:39:47
>>>> Subject: [rti4empowerment]
>>>>
>>>> Murder accused studies his case in jail
>>>>
>>>> Rajappa used RTI to source a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of
>>>> murdering fellow-advocate and girlfriend. He's busy poring over the
>>>> pages
>>>>
>>>>
> http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/20110104201101040728583578604ccf/Murder-accused-studies-his-case-in-jail.html
>
>>>>
>>>> Lodged inside Parappana Agrahara jail, S L Rajappa, an undertrial, has
>>>> managed to obtain a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of murdering
>>>> his fellow advocate and girl friend Naveena, using the Right to
>>>> Information Act (RTI). He says he got the chargesheet to equip himself
>>>> with the facts of the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rajappa
>>>> The case relates to the murder of advocate Naveena by Rajappa inside
>>>> the Karnataka High Court on July 8, 2010, in front of court hall
>>>> number 4. Rajappa, an advocate, stabbed J S Naveena, another advocate
>>>> and slit her neck right in front of some other advocates. He then fled
>>>> the spot. An onlooker gave him chase, but he entered a toilet and
>>>>
> locked himself up.
>>>>
>>>> Policemen on
>>duty at the high court broke open the door of the toilet
>>>> to find Rajappa attempting to kill himself. He had injured himself in
>>>> the chest and neck, and was shifted to hospital. Naveena's colleagues
>>>> attempted to save her, but her wounds were so grievous that she died a
>>>> few minutes after the incident.
>>>>
>>>> After spending many months in hospital, Rajappa was shifted to
>>>> Bangalore Central Jail. As he still can't walk properly, he has been
>>>> admitted to the hospital inside the jail.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, he has equipped himself with four CrPC and IPC legal books
>>>> and the chargesheet and is preparing for the hearing which will began
>>>> shortly. The jail ward has become a study room for him. He keeps
>>>> himself busy studying the case in detail and making notes from
> the
>>>> legal books provided by his friends.
>>>>
>>>> Robe over
>>>> The Vidhana Soudha police have
>>completed investigations and have
>>>> chargesheeted him. As the incident occurred in broad daylight in front
>>>> of many people, investigations were that much easier for the police.
>>>> The police feel they have a strong chargesheet as they have four
>>>> eyewitnesses, a confessional statement and circumstantial evidence
>>>> which proves beyond doubt that Rajappa committed the crime.
>>>>
>>>> The police have even filed the transcript of a 200-page conversation
>>>> between Rajappa and Naveena which further strengthens the case. So
>>>> Rajappa, who has accessed the transcripts, is busy readying himself to
>>>> face a series of questions by the prosecution.
>>>>
>>>> "Whenever I see Rajappa, he is busy reading one or the other book.
> He
>>>> has got a few legal books in his ward and is seen marking the books or
>>>> writing on notepads. I have also seen him studying the chargesheet,"
>>>> said a jail
>>official.
>>>> Still In Jail hospital
>>>> "It is true that he is busy reading legal books. As there are
>>>> thousands of prisoners, I don't know much about him. But I know that
>>>> he is in the jail hospital and he has many legal books and that he is
>>>> always reading," said the jail's chief superintendent M C
>>>> Vishvanathaiah.
>>>>
>>>> Sources say the hearing of the case will begin shortly.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Anand S.
>>>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>>>> Bangalore 560 085.
>>>> Cell No. +91-92410-12730
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