Friday, April 5, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] TRUTH

Dear Mr Ahmad,
 
It is nice of you to issue this mail clearing up the lies that some people are circulating here. Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi, and hence the name; so is the name Jehangir, which is common to Parsis. If M O Mathai has written some rubbish, it is -I am sure-out of a sense of personal vendetta against the Gandhis.
 
The surname-Gandhi-is also common among the Parsis. Feroz Gandhi came from a middle-class family, but they definitely ran no grocery store. His elder sister was an officer in the Accountant General's office ( in Allahabad), and was well-educated-a rarity for those times. Feroze Gandhi was much younger than his sister; and after losing his parents, was brought up by her. My grandfather, who served in the same office in Allahabad, as also other colleagues, spoke highly of this lady, who was their boss.
 
His relatives continue to live in Cusrow Baug, Colaba, Mumbai.
 
Indira and Feroze Gandhi had married by Arya Samaj rites, a fact mentioned by Nehru in his autobiography. Feroze had converted to become a Hindu prior to marrying Indira; a fact that his family disapproved of. Nehru probably disliked the idea of his daughter keeping contact with a middle-class family, and hence she kept her husband's family at a distance. But, after his death, she renewed contact. As Prime Minister, she had even attended a family wedding at Colaba, pictures of which were splashed by newspapers in Mumbai. ( I can vouch for this, as I grew up in Mumbai)
 
It was a well-known fact that the tension in her marriage was because of the class differences involved -the Nehrus were one of the richest families in pre-independence India, while Feroze Gandhi came from a middle-class home. Probably this caused the subsequent separation between the couple.
 
Incidentally, I do not understand what is wrong about the shuddhi ceremony which Swami Shraddhanand had formulated for converts to return back to Hinduism. It is not meant for the scheduled castes alone; Brahmins, and other higher castes have also taken recourse to it.
 
I don't know who these people are-Sanghis or otherwise-who want to demean the shuddhi ceremony. Are they talking of purity?  In that case, let them tell us how pure they are to the tenets of Hinduism!  In fact, our insistence of purity has caused the dwindling of our numbers, since we, in keeping with the Sanatana Dharmis and their outdated beliefs, have chosen to prevent people forcibly converted to other religions from returning back to the Hindu fold.
 
 Rina Mukherji
Kolkata
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: faraz ahmad <faraz_asha@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] TRUTH
Dear friends,

I had seen this bit of sanghi disinformation this morning and had tried to educate my sanghi ignorant brethren with all the details about Feroze Gandhi. However the goebbelian Sanghis will keep persisting with their propaganda which I have been hearing since childhood, though belonging to Allahabad, my family had family association with Feroze Gandhi's family for generations, thohgh frankly I personally never met anyone of them being too young when Feroze Gandhi died. By the way he died of heart attack. He used to live in the modest North/south Avenue flats, though he was the PM's son in law. He was a good drinker and he drove his car himself to Sen's Nursing Home at ITO where he collapsed. I am reiterating what I wrote in the morning only to educate my illiterate brethren just to inform them that their telling lies a hundred times will not make it truth. Stop emulating Narendra Modi/Arvind Kejriwal and such others.
It is so amusing to read all the lies and canards spread by the Sanghis who parade around as India Against Corruption (IAC). My friends from the Timarpur babu colony who used to attend the Sangh shakha at Lucknow Road Government Higher Secondary School every day in the 1960s had told me, when Indira Gandhi became the Prime Minister in 1966, that Feroze Gandhi was some Muslim adopted by Gandhiji. The illiterate sanghis do not even know that Persian names like Jahangir or Feroze are common among the Parsi community. Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi. He belonged to an eminent Parsi family of Allahabad. Though being a Parsi he could claim roots in Gujarat, he had nothing to do with any Junagadh, Choonagadh. This is a story entirely cooked up by the Sanghis. I am from Allahabad. My uncle Mubarak Mazdoor had worked in the Congress party with Feroze Gandhi in the independence movement. These fellows also do not know that for Feroze penchant of taking on Jawaharlal Nehru, Ramnath Goenka had appointed him the Managing Editor of the Indian Express newspapers in the 1950s. He was the one who employed my father Ahmad Husain as a sub editor in the Express, after he was chucked out of the Hindustan Times for trade union activities by Durga Dass who grabbed vast properties in Connaught Place immediately after partition, by virtue of his clout in the Hindustan Times. Incidentally in Hindustan Times, it was Gandhiji's son Devdas Gandhi, then its Editor who employed my father. I am sending this entire correspondence also to my friends Pradeep Magazine and Ajaz Ashraf who are still wide eyed about these sanghis. And I hope Seema Mustafa,would also manage to read this Sanghi propaganda against Feroze, whom she has no reason to hate even if she hates the family.  
Faraz Ahmad        
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:22:49 +0530From: cadilipksingh@gmail.comTo: kumar_8134@yahoo.comCC: vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in; media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.comSubject: [IAC#RG] TRUTH
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dave,
 
Are you denying the paternity of Feroz, born to Nawab Khan of Junagadh? A Muslim father and a Parsi son?
Any vested interests to twist the matter?
 
It is a different matter he was an astute Parliamentarian having brought out the Mundhra LIC scam.
 
But his paternity cannot be denied and DNA could prove from known sources the Y-Chromosome continuity from Nawab Khan.

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
Now I understood why and how Daveji became a truly objective pewrson.
 
V. S. Sardesai--- On Thu, 4/4/13, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:

From: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
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Date: Thursday, 4 April, 2013, 10:34 PM

 
Thank you Shirish Dave Ji. You are a truly objective person. Regards Devinder 
From: shirish dave <smdave1940@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 17:43
Subject: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
 
To the best of my information, Feroz Gandhi was not Muslim and he was one of the best parliamentarian of his time. He was very well honored by all the opposition including Ram Manohar Lohia. He had been taken as Parsi by Parsi community for that I don't have any doubt. Let us not waste our time by creating a controversy on a person who was highly honored in his time. He had not black mailed Nehru. He was capable enough to make money lawfully, unlike his wife and other nehruvian successors.
 
From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
Sarabjitji!!
 
Again you are spreading false information about Feroz Gandhi. He is neither a Parsi nor Gandhi.
 
1. Nawab Khan of Junagadh in Gujarat married Feroz's mother Ghandy, from Bharuch after converting her to Islam, and was running a grocery store in Allahabad. Feroz Khan was born to them and he was running errands for the Anand Bhavan needs where Indira was the only occupant with Jawaharlal mostly in the prisons. Indira was rusticated from Santiniketan by Rabindranath Tagore himself, when he found her in compromising situation with a German student.
 
2. Feroz Khan and Indira became closer and in spite of objections from Kamla Nehru and Nehru himself, both went to a London Mosque, Indira converted to islam and took the name Maimunnah Begum and the Nikah was held in London. On way back they visited the ailing Kamla Nehru at Switzerland who was shocked at her changing religion and later died.
 
3. Feroz Khan and Maimunnah Begum(Indira) returned to Delhi- Nehru was still in prison- and was met by Mahatma Gandhi, who too was shocked that Indira became a Muslim. He told them that they will not have a Political future with Islamic names and volunteered to adopt Feroz as his son and under affidavit signed by Gandhi, Feroz Khan was adopted by Mahatma Gandhi and took his surname Gandhi.
 
THAT IS HOW GANDHI SURNAME ENTERED THE FAMILY OF NEHRU-s.
 
4. Read M.O.Mathai's book available in the web for details how Feroz has been troubling Nehru frequently for money and had instructed Matthai not to allow him enter the cabin. Later Feroz went to Lucknow and settled there under National herald.
 
5. Rajiv is the son sired by Feroz and his name should have been Rajiv Khan instead of Gandhi. However Sanjiv(name changed to Sanjay later after a crime in London) was sired by Muhammad Yunus in the absence of Feroz at Lucknow.
 
6. Feroz came to limelight when he brought up the Mundhra LIC scam which cost TT Krishnamachari his Ministership, resigning voluntarily taking the responsibility unlike present UPA where Ministers and even PM refuse to meet the PAC shielding the criminals in megascams.
 
7.There was no question of disposal of the body of Feroz in Fire Temple as he was born to a Muslim convert Ghandy, whose relatives are still Parsi-s in Mumbai.
 
8. Rajiv neither is a Parsi, born of Muslim convert parents and later converted to Cathlolic Christianity adopting the name Roberto while marrying Antonia Albina Edwiga Maino aka Sonia Gandhi at Orbassano Church in Italy.
 
Read the available literature/ news before posting such falsehoods. Feroz was a victim of circumstances, Nehru detesting him from beginning and Indira's heat towards him subsiding fast when others were available to her.
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
Feroz Gandhi died in New Delhi. He suffered a heart attack and was taken to the  Willingdon Hospital (now Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital) where he expired. He was cremated by the Congress Party. Yashpal Kapoor and other arranged for the cremation (by Arya Samaj rites) - since the Parsis have no Tower of Silence  at Delhi . Since nobody knew what to do with the ashes (Rajiv and Sanjiv had been brainwashed against their father), they were handed over to Feroze's Paris family who buried them at Allahabad. Feroze hardly had anyrhing to give away, he believed in living life to its full here on earth, so his Will would be of academic.interest. It is well known that he and Indira were separated for all practical purposes and couldn't stand to be near each other. So what is still left to be known ? At least Rajiv in later years acknowledged he was a Parsi (even if not a Zorastrian) , and some (not all) Parsis in India were proud to have a "Parsi" (ie. Persian) Prime Minister. Sarbajit
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,
Greetings.
Thanks for elucidative and clear-headed narration. Many issues have been illuminated especially about Feroz's lineage and circumstances surrounding legality of his marriage.
What remains of interest is circumstances surrounding his death, testamentary document, if any; which would state his instructions after his demise. Will often highlights family positions which otherwise is kept in privacy.
I suppose he was unwell and was taken by wife to Kashmir, where he breathed his last. How were his last rites performed and was any opinion recorded etc.
Feroz's application form for contesting election would also state some of his personal information.
Thanks anyways for the lucid narration.
best regards,
-Joshi NM
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