Friday, April 5, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: The inside job

What a mundane and  irrelevant issue if at all this be one ! Does it matter in any way to establish the paternity of any   in context  of the mission this forum purports to pursue ? Since I am an adherent of the Gita and if were to apply  its standards and codes then most in this subcontinent are 'appapbhransh' even then as per Upanishads  as the ancient map of jambu dweep indicates the whole of Punjab and Hariyana !Paternity today , a difficult proposition by those standards ! Apart from this lighter but true angle  how would it affect the mission of this forum if truth was one way or the other? Our reshape our destinies ?  Or change politics  revise the constitution, bring order and polish our character which has a thick cost of spurious deposit  One can  suggest that topics should conform to forging a plausible  path towards attaining an objective that is relevant and practical

Thank you

chauhan

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Satish Oberoi
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: The inside job

 

 

Curiously no one ever talks about name of the father of Feroz   and I Indira Gandhi's father -in -law. Surely there must be other relations from father's side alive today. 

 

From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: The inside job

 

Dave,

 

Are you denying the paternity of Feroz, born to Nawab Khan of Junagadh? A Muslim father and a Parsi son?

Any vested interests to twist the matter?

 

It is a different matter he was an astute Parliamentarian having brought out the Mundhra LIC scam.

 

But his paternity cannot be denied and DNA could prove from known sources the Y-Chromosome continuity from Nawab Khan.

 

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Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job

Now I understood why and how Daveji became a truly objective pewrson.

 

V. S. Sardesai --- On Thu, 4/4/13, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:


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Date: Thursday, 4 April, 2013, 10:34 PM

 

Thank you Shirish Dave Ji. You are a truly objective person. Regards Devinder 

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Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 17:43
Subject: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job

 

To the best of my information, Feroz Gandhi was not Muslim and he was one of the best parliamentarian of his time. He was very well honored by all the opposition including Ram Manohar Lohia. He had been taken as Parsi by Parsi community for that I don't have any doubt. Let us not waste our time by creating a controversy on a person who was highly honored in his time. He had not black mailed Nehru. He was capable enough to make money lawfully, unlike his wife and other nehruvian successors.

 

From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job

Sarabjitji!!

 

Again you are spreading false information about Feroz Gandhi. He is neither a Parsi nor Gandhi.

 

1. Nawab Khan of Junagadh in Gujarat married Feroz's mother Ghandy, from Bharuch after converting her to Islam, and was running a grocery store in Allahabad. Feroz Khan was born to them and he was running errands for the Anand Bhavan needs where Indira was the only occupant with Jawaharlal mostly in the prisons. Indira was rusticated from Santiniketan by Rabindranath Tagore himself, when he found her in compromising situation with a German student.

 

2. Feroz Khan and Indira became closer and in spite of objections from Kamla Nehru and Nehru himself, both went to a London Mosque, Indira converted to islam and took the name Maimunnah Begum and the Nikah was held in London. On way back they visited the ailing Kamla Nehru at Switzerland who was shocked at her changing religion and later died.

 

3. Feroz Khan and Maimunnah Begum(Indira) returned to Delhi- Nehru was still in prison- and was met by Mahatma Gandhi, who too was shocked that Indira became a Muslim. He told them that they will not have a Political future with Islamic names and volunteered to adopt Feroz as his son and under affidavit signed by Gandhi, Feroz Khan was adopted by Mahatma Gandhi and took his surname Gandhi.

 

THAT IS HOW GANDHI SURNAME ENTERED THE FAMILY OF NEHRU-s.

 

4. Read M.O.Mathai's book available in the web for details how Feroz has been troubling Nehru frequently for money and had instructed Matthai not to allow him enter the cabin. Later Feroz went to Lucknow and settled there under National herald.

 

5. Rajiv is the son sired by Feroz and his name should have been Rajiv Khan instead of Gandhi. However Sanjiv(name changed to Sanjay later after a crime in London) was sired by Muhammad Yunus in the absence of Feroz at Lucknow.

 

6. Feroz came to limelight when he brought up the Mundhra LIC scam which cost TT Krishnamachari his Ministership, resigning voluntarily taking the responsibility unlike present UPA where Ministers and even PM refuse to meet the PAC shielding the criminals in megascams.

 

7.There was no question of disposal of the body of Feroz in Fire Temple as he was born to a Muslim convert Ghandy, whose relatives are still Parsi-s in Mumbai.

 

8. Rajiv neither is a Parsi, born of Muslim convert parents and later converted to Cathlolic Christianity adopting the name Roberto while marrying Antonia Albina Edwiga Maino aka Sonia Gandhi at Orbassano Church in Italy.

 

Read the available literature/ news before posting such falsehoods. Feroz was a victim of circumstances, Nehru detesting him from beginning and Indira's heat towards him subsiding fast when others were available to her.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job

Feroz Gandhi died in New Delhi. He suffered a heart attack and was taken to the  Willingdon Hospital (now Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital) where he expired. He was cremated by the Congress Party. Yashpal Kapoor and other arranged for the cremation (by Arya Samaj rites) - since the Parsis have no Tower of Silence  at Delhi . Since nobody knew what to do with the ashes (Rajiv and Sanjiv had been brainwashed against their father), they were handed over to Feroze's Paris family who buried them at Allahabad. Feroze hardly had anyrhing to give away, he believed in living life to its full here on earth, so his Will would be of academic.interest. It is well known that he and Indira were separated for all practical purposes and couldn't stand to be near each other. So what is still left to be known ? At least Rajiv in later years acknowledged he was a Parsi (even if not a Zorastrian) , and some (not all) Parsis in India were proud to have a "Parsi" (ie. Persian) Prime Minister. Sarbajit

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarabjit,

Greetings.

Thanks for elucidative and clear-headed narration. Many issues have been illuminated especially about Feroz's lineage and circumstances surrounding legality of his marriage.

What remains of interest is circumstances surrounding his death, testamentary document, if any; which would state his instructions after his demise. Will often highlights family positions which otherwise is kept in privacy.

I suppose he was unwell and was taken by wife to Kashmir, where he breathed his last. How were his last rites performed and was any opinion recorded etc.

Feroz's application form for contesting election would also state some of his personal information.

Thanks anyways for the lucid narration.

best regards,

-Joshi NM

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