Yes, Russian, chinese +American have in fact been affected- also. Yes, their reactions were different to ours.
Yes, our Navy+Coast Guard have also adopted aggressive steps /action against some Pirates closer to our Intnl waters. A few pirate skiffs were blown up.
Its the Somalian Govt tht is non existent-not Ethiopian.
When we can't even bomb to flush out our internal terrorists, why talk of bombing out Pirate captured ships, that will have a lot of collateral damage
Have no comments/views on rest of ur mail contents
Pramod Bhandari
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From: Akhil Marfatia <marfatiaakhil@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:39:57 +0530 (IST)
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Pramod Bhandari<pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction oftheCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
a. your point of working as sailors anywhere, any condition is understood.
b. if no ethopian govt, so much the better. there jis no govt in charge of these ships, the ships have no flags and no country and are the legitimate prey of anyone they try to hurt
just capture and bomb two or three of the pirates ships, 5 eyes for one eye, that is the language pirates understand, country will be respected , indians will not be seen as gutless speech makers
c. if israeli sailors / citizens were taken any where in the world, any conditon, they would have been rescued within four days after warning them that israeli navy will bomb out all the pirate ships
ever wondered why these pirates dont touch any chinese or russian or american ship,
d. if we are so impotent that with billion dollar ships we cant down pirate ships why have a navy, why not change the battle ships to cruise ships since they are not menat to protect indians, that way all builders will rush into the infamous " BOT" concept, buy, operate and take money to switzerland
these builders will organise the presidential picnics every year called review of the fleet, and charge one lakh a ticket and eveyrone who can afford will enjoy it.
our finance deficit will go down,
From: Pramod Bhandari <pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
b. if no ethopian govt, so much the better. there jis no govt in charge of these ships, the ships have no flags and no country and are the legitimate prey of anyone they try to hurt
just capture and bomb two or three of the pirates ships, 5 eyes for one eye, that is the language pirates understand, country will be respected , indians will not be seen as gutless speech makers
c. if israeli sailors / citizens were taken any where in the world, any conditon, they would have been rescued within four days after warning them that israeli navy will bomb out all the pirate ships
ever wondered why these pirates dont touch any chinese or russian or american ship,
d. if we are so impotent that with billion dollar ships we cant down pirate ships why have a navy, why not change the battle ships to cruise ships since they are not menat to protect indians, that way all builders will rush into the infamous " BOT" concept, buy, operate and take money to switzerland
these builders will organise the presidential picnics every year called review of the fleet, and charge one lakh a ticket and eveyrone who can afford will enjoy it.
our finance deficit will go down,
From: Pramod Bhandari <pbhandar@ndf.vsnl.net.in>
To: Rti group <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:03:16 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
I would tend to go with Pradip's view - that by caving in to Maoists demand, the Orissa ovt and Central Govt have shown that they are weak, spineless and no better than the spineless Govt of V.P.Singh which caved in to release terrorists in Rubina Sayyed's case (her father was then Union Home Minister) who went on to kill Rupen Katiyar at Kandahar hijack.
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:03:16 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of theCollector,Malakangiri, Orissa
While a surge of sympathy is understandable....however, If only u knew enough abt how the biz of the int'nal merchant navies work, ie the little or no control that the Indian Govt has over how/when/who/ at what terms many Indians knowingly go join some poorly managed, unlisted foreign shipping Cos under circumstances which are suspicious....then u wont expect so much from the Govt to recover these unfortunate sailors. Fact that Somalia has no govt to negotiate with- dosent help the situation. Let's face it-We are not like those Nations who hve ability to send in Commando's or SEALs to attack/rescue....besides, this is now a menace of Global proportions cutting accross Nations. Commerce continues regardless, on the support of a " Piracy Surcharge" that merchants pay to Liners. ..so the Pirates are emboldened further !!!!
Piracy has so sadly, now become a business. The ships Voyage is planned in advance-not on the spur of the moment !!! Extra wages are paid to many sailors to work on those that traverse dangerous waters. So, those who don't want to,,can always "sign off" ,
The situation is not entirely dissimilar to Indian youngsters from semi-rural background , sacrificing self respect to rush to Australia, on ill concealed reasons eg Acedemic courses on Hair Care, (!!), and then wanting GOI to rescue them from racial attacks.
Don't mix this with the Govt caving in to Maoists. That's a different issue, where yes, lack of a spine+absence of desire is transparent.
We can expect a " 10 for 1" situation only when Indian conditions become comparable with Russia , Israel- not selectively-but in more ways than "hostage rescue"
And finally -dont forget that a people only get a Govt that they deserve....ie u+we all have the means to boot out who we don't like.
Pramod Bhandari
Gurgaon
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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:20:56 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector,Malakangiri, Orissa
There is always a backlash - invariably affecting innocent citizens . and it is high time that India has a public posture of "no negotiations, 10 for 1 policy" like the Russians and Israelis do.
To illustrate Govts dual standards, what is MHA doing to release those poor Indian navvies held by Somali pirates ?
Sarbajit.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Write up on Maoist abduction of the Collector, Malakangiri, Orissa
To: "social-watch-group" <social-watch-group@googlegroups.com>, "odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan" <odishasoochanaadhikarabhiyan@googlegroups.com>, "national-rti-forum" <national-rti-forum@googlegroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 1:51 PM
Dear all,
By praying before the Maoists to release the abducted Collector and JE, we implicitly accord a sovereign status to the Maoist outfit- the very status exclusively reserved for the political State. As students of political science we know that
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