Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH

Dear Roy Sir,

you are not in a position to accept bitter truth that there is a monopoly and Dadagiri in the name of moderation. This has been witnessed by many members of the Group. Whenever someone raise objections to your intemperate & abusive language, you want to expel them by saying that  member is not following the rules of the Group.Absolutely you are not adhering the ideals of shri. Prakash Kardaley of  contributing to the RTI movement.

If you are upset with me, you can also expel me from the Group in the name of Moderation or ownership of the Group.

regards.

umapathi.s

 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sant-ji

1) This forum WILL survive. There should be no doubt on that score.

2) There is no question of DADAGIRI in the garb of "moderation". The objectives of this group are transparent (we had published these prominently on the home page but Google has removed it) and can be accessed eaily since all messages posted are well archived and indexed by search engines like Google..

3) This is an RTI (in baby language this means RIGHT TO INFORMATION as defined in RTI Act 2005) forum. Furthermore, in the collective interest this groups' email limit is set at about 300 emails per month - each of which MUST be relevant and topical.

4)  I do not disagree with you on the following points

a) That India is a great country (which has been occupied and ruled at various points in time by foreigners out to loot the national resources and convey them overseas, always  harassing the ordinary folk and peasantry).

b)  That corruption needs to be firmly rooted out (including by identifying and publicly beheading foreign quislings / traitors / MIR JAFARS - as this group is doing so well !!!).

c) That History will decide if this "glorious movement" is a stepping stone or a "stumbling block" to the REAL REVOLUTION (which may be peaceful or EXTREMELY BLOODY).

I DISAGREE that the change MUST come through DEMOCRATIC MEANS. I believe that DEMOCRACY (as practiced in India) is the root cause of the CORRUPTION CANCER

As more advanced democracies have discovered/ legislated into their Constitutions  the right to free speech is meaningless till there is the right to bear arms.

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:

Wheteher this forum will survive or not;whether some paranoid thinking on part of a few will ever be heard later or not;whether efforts still to stall support in favour of a great movement will continue or not;whether somesort of DADAGIRI of monopolising the forum under the horrific looking garb of "moderatorship" etc will give way just as Sharad Pawar is forced to get out out of GoM dealing with Lok Pal Bill or not

                                     PLEASE NOT CLEARLY,AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, OUR GREAT COUNTRY WILL ENSURE THROWING OUT THE CORRUPT PEOPLE AND THEIR STRANGLEHOLD FOR FAR TOO LONG ON THE NATION  TOWARDS THIS GLORIOS ACHIEVEMENT THE CURRENT MOVEMENT WILL BE SEEN AS A HISTORIC STEP.

                              

                               May good sense prevail over the microscopic minority thats opposing the great move(ment) and may their vitriolic language/misguided thinking  be set right.In any case,as indicated earlier they are compelling to ensure their place in the dustbin of History if they still persist in looking through coloured glasses and assign motives when none exists---even as per the voice of the NATION !!

                                 Best wishes for all moves and actions,with in the four walls of democratic means,for having a good/great/clean governance.

spm   

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:04 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Discard and ignor also apart from disregarding. --- On Wed, 6/4/11, KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2007@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2007@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 4:35 PM sir,   somebody should have said this . and SIR, you said it. for the record   just disregard the dustbin critics   let us JOIN/support this SECOND QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT   GANDHIGIRI  --- On Wed, 6/4/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 1:17 PM The armchair critiques  and those indulging in wholly wasteful diversionary techniques will be thrown to the dustbin of History,as the History itself tells.It should be a matter of pride to work at this juncture for the larger good of the nation and mankind and avoid pathetic looking hairsplitting. When national Independence movement was in full swing all types of people probably with their own  agendas had been participating with gusto.Does that mean the movement per se was bad? Look at the content.Look at the desirable outcomes.Look at the spirit behind the movement.Its the traitors who alone could provide pinpricks to a saintly idea,whose time long back had come. And for that matter will some one take note of wasteful (WHOLLY WASTEFUL) distracting moves?No,simply,none will.If those who think they have great inputs in the discourse to provide let them have GUTS to come out in open public and not on the quiet,say through electronic means alone, do the pin pricking. We have spent careers in fighting against corruption,absolutely selflessly,intelligently and assiduously,in wholly democratic manner. Who gets the credit is not important . What finally comes about is. Millions soon will support the move.Its an avalanche. Hope the point is driven home well.If anyone still has doubts one could seek clarification/amplification.But for anyone's sake pl don't let the struggle for freedom from corruption be tried to be disrupted through  unwarranted technicalities. It might show up some type of frustration. Or something even worse. (Jan) Lok pal Legislation is a vital step in the direction of making our great nation corruption-free. Pl support the idea and the outcome.Pl don't even dream to damage the historically great move. If doubts still persist get the matters sorted out through communication with the concerned people rather than create ruptures in the movement. Best wishes s p mathur IPS DGP retd 919841282324  On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote: I will be fasting tomorrow. Thanks Abhinav, Noida On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:31 AM, KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2007@yahoo.co.in> wrote: hi,   ANNA HAZARE has started the agitation in NEW DELHI against corruption. (no point in detailing how the politicians are scuttling it)   Many of us cannot join his movement in Delhi or even in the FREEDOM PARK in Bangalore.   There are a millions ways how you CAN support THE MOVEMENT.   THE TIME HAS COME for the second chapter of QUIT INDIA. Then Gandhi led the movement to drive away the British.   NOW is the time to say QUIT THE CORRUPT   The QUESTION is DO YOU WANT TO join the SECOND FREEDOM STRUGGLE.     YOU CAN -   for a strarter TIE A BLACK COTTON TAPE AROUND YOUR ARM   If you have a better IDEA , tell us we will join you.   spread the movement , that is the LEAST you can do.   GANDHIGIRI --- On Wed, 6/4/11, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH To: surendera@avissoftware.com Cc: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 2:08 AM  DEAR SURENDRA           WHO WILL BELL THE CAT? WHEN P.M. IS NOT KEPT IN CONFIDENCE DR JN SHARMA On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Surendera M. Bhanot <surendera@avissoftware.com> wrote: The Congress is a party of Crooks. They are using the clean image of Dr. Manmohan Singh to do  all the nefarious activities. The Biggest of all Scams has been done by the cronies of the ruling party and the protection has been given to them by all means. Whenever a ray of hope emerges, the ruling party leaders play a big joke on the people of India. Instead of doing the public good they are more interested in saving their skins. When JP emerged in 1975 with a mass moment to rout out the congress misrule, the blackest of all Emergency was imposed and JP was done to death.. Congress in Narsimha Rao saved his Government by corrupt practices. The present Government followed suit. What is the guarantee that Anna Hazare will not meet the same fate. Are we ready for yet another emergency? On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote: DEAR GUPTA JI & ALL We hope that GOI  may  initiate action on JAN LOKPAL BILL. Credit will go to Anna Hazare, who taken initiative in the matter.         You have rightly sited Nitish Kumar, who also is working on to eradicate corruption.           He needs to be careful, because Mafia in his state Bihar  will attack him any time . I pray for his safety. If P.M. takes the matter seriously, some thing may be possible to introduce ' jan lok pal bill '  Regards DR. JN SHARMA ADVOCATE/HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST   On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:59 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: Anna is all in one, Gandhi, Subhash and Jai Prakash Narayan at a time.  Rise against corruption before it is too late.  Govt. is soft on corruption while judiciary is tough.  Learn ways to fight corruption from from Nitish Kumar, CM, Bihar who has forfeited the ill-acquired prosperities and schools are being run in those.   The question is of will power of the Union Govt.  This is the moment when our PM can prove that he has guts to take on corrupts without fear and favour.  Introduce the Jan Lok Pal Bill in the coming session, be hard on CWG, 2G, Money stashed in Foreign Bank, action  against black money within the country (Hasan Ali and others), timely deteted would be scam in another spectrum to involving Devos by Antrikx, Madhu Koda.  List is long but memory short.   Country is with Anna, Ramdev, Swami Agnivesh, Kiran Bedi, J M Lingdoh, Shashi and Prashant Bhushan, Arvind Kejriwal and others who r fighting against the termite of corruption.   Those who are in a position to visit, must visit the Jantar Mantar and spare some time to join Anna in his fast.  Such rare moments come rarely. -- Warm Regards Surendera M. 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