Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Anna Hazare is the DISEASE and not the CURE

Dear Sarbajit,   Why you are not intiate a campain in favour of your opinions? Lets see the results of your campain.   Peoples like Sarbajit represents the culprits. --- On Fri, 8/4/11, Sanjay Chaturvedi <chaturvedi.sanjay@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sanjay Chaturvedi <chaturvedi.sanjay@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Anna Hazare is the DISEASE and not the CURE To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 9:08 AM Dear Sarabjit, Again I am repeating, what Anna Hazare is demanding , as you say own people in committee, may be wrong, but the people are not following him, they are following the initiative, without their own names being written in the books of records. So being a first attempt against corruption, all should join the movement, leaving aside what anna hazare is. He is not a new face for the country, nor is he a political personality. People gather in lakhs to hear what these corrupt politician has to say, for getting a photo clicked with these dirty politicians. but when one of us is taking initiative against the dirty politics we are trying to condemn his effort. Why have any one of us tried such initiative ? I am a journalist and know these politicians very well. With Regards Sanjay Chaturvedi On 8 April 2011 08:27, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sanjay I am not discarding the initiative. BTW, the examples are Gandhi, Bose and Bhagat Singh are irrelevant for the reason that India is now a democracy and all Indians are equal. <--- This is non-negotiable. Anna Hazare is demanding SPECIAL TREATMENT. Firstly he refuses to utilise democratic processes, which I can personally vouch DO work. Secondly, he wants special treatment that a "committee" be set up which includes "his" people. THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. (This practice of demanding special committees is a well worked out NGO trick to get legitimacy for their dubious claim that they "represent" the people.. They DONT ! Parliament represents the people. When Parliament fails, then you pick up your Gun, sword, or bow and arrow or whatever. The ends do not justify the means. Sarbajit On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Sanjay Chaturvedi <chaturvedi.sanjay@gmail.com> wrote: > Whoever in the chain is of the view discarding the initiative by Anna Hazare > should visualise the situation from the point of view of the Initiative, the > movement, the cause instead of criticizing who and what Hazare is. The names > may change but the public initiative has been responded as in this case too. > There are critics of Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh too but > while they were there they didnt acted their best for being leaders. My view > is instead of criticizing others just review what we as an individual has > contributed to the nation and the society. > > With Regards > > Sanjay Chaturvedi > 9811074823 > > > > On 7 April 2011 23:01, Abhinav Agarwal <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> History witnesses that Jan-Andolan (people's movement) will bring >> reform. >> Our democracy needs reform. Anna will bring it. I am confident. >> >> Delhi Police might have diarised few complaints. But in-numerable >> police stations don't lodge FIRs. >> >> 3 cheers for Anna. I >> >> On Apr 7, 10:07 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Anna Hazare says he did not receive any reply / acknowledgment from the >> > PM. >> > I am saying he is lying >> > >> > "Pressurising" is anti-citizen. and anti-democratic  It creates >> > distortions >> > in the process >> > and legiitimises that "some pigs are more equal than others". >> > >> > Are you saying that it is OK for Anna Hazare to use extraordinary >> > methods to >> > agitate his grievance without availing his ordinary remedies ? >> > >> > If so, by necessary implication are you conceding that Ms Aruna Roy (by >> > virtue of the fact that she is a NAC member) is the only citizen >> > stakeholder >> > to be considered by DoPT for draft RTI Rules ? If so why has DoPT not >> > notified the amended rules incorporating her comments as approved by the >> > NAC >> > ? >> > >> > This entire drama is being stage managed to ensure that only activists >> > remote controlled by Rahul brigade are on the 50:50 committee for LokPal >> > Bill so that final Bill is a worthless / unenforceable enactment like >> > the >> > RTI Act 2005 >> > >> > Sarbajit >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Dipak Shah <djshah1...@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> > > There are many matters for which P M not taken any action . What >> > > should we >> > > understand from this in action? >> > >          I think this is better way to pressurize for Good only. What >> > > he is >> > > personally going to get from the bill? >> > > Shah D J >> > > USA >> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 7/4/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>* wrote: >> > >> > > From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> >> > > Subject: [HumJanenge] Anna Hazare is the DISEASE and not the CURE >> > > To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> >> > > Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 9:18 AM >> > >> > > Dear fellow members of Humjanenge >> > >> > > This thread is highly moderated. I shall debate any member on the >> > > above subject. >> > >> > > My first point is that Anna Hazare is supposedly aggrieved that he >> > > received no reply (to his numerous letters / representations etc) >> > > from the PM on the Lokpal Bill causing him to go on fast. My own >> > > experience is that the Govt (incl. PMO) works very fast, and ALWAYS >> > > acknowledges an ordinary citizen who uses the front door. By way of >> > > example, (a) the Delhi Police has diarised BOTH my complaints against >> > > Mr Hazare and Ms Bedi and sent me my acknowledgments with diary >> > > numbers within 24 hours (b) The PMO took action on my complaint >> > > against NAC within 96 hours and informed me about their action within >> > > 48 hours after that. PLEASE NOTE that these were ordinary emails sent >> > > by an ordinary citizen.. >> > >> > > Hence I say that Mr. HAZARE is either an idiot OR he is being >> > > economical with the truth. >> > >> > > Comments are solicited. >> > >> > > Sarbajit >