Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Anna Hazare "a most corrupt individual and a hypocrite" says Suresh Jain

Its better to light a candle that curse the darkness

 Along with some of the most prominent/knowledgeable persons I'm attempting to provide inputs to the propsed Committee preparing the dragt legislation on Lok Pal.

                  Clause-by clause members are requested to please offer their comments so that ,say from side of this,and with collaborative efforts of this group,and with fullest permission of this group we could conjointly send a draft that could make sense.

                                            Those offering suggestions could first do a SWOT analysis on their own to see the suitability of the suggestion.Also to create suggestions,through creative thinking and decision-making, the members could gainfully employ(as recommended to even MNC hochos) DATT(Direct Atttention Thinking Tools)---10 principles created by Edward De Bono,twienth century's great "creatitivity/parallet thinking" author. Just Google and see the ten principles.It'll be truly enlightining.As a visiting faculty I teach the same in academia.

                                               Lets make opportunity out of adversity(scams/scandalsetc) and ensure a deterrence mechanism,more than investigative/punitive one.

                                          I'll just share a doc on VIGIL on EXCELLENCE,which transcends the status-quoist,neutrality-centered traditional vigilance/anti-corruption approach.The advanced economies have long back been working on super excellence(i.e. dynamic/innovative) models.Things should not only not be wrong but the right itself be in the best possible  *(dynamic/competitive) way. I used these concepts not only in my doctoral dissertation on KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT but in all walks of life,including official one.

                                        The great RTI movement, seemingly principally aiming at achieving corruption-free governance is ALSO meant to ensure  BEST (not any ordinary one) public interest,and that,too, through participative process,which,in turn is enabled through acquisition of info on all aspects ofv governance(including decisio-making process) .

                                           The wayward debate the group indulges in is akin to old women's noon-time endless and meaningless gossip.

                             We need focussed/objective-oriented approach in life and not meandering chats/posts.

                                               Can I with folded hands pray my esteemed group members that trhe opportunity to make constructive contribution not be lost and the worthless posts be eschewed?

 

s p mathur

IPS DGP retd

Chennai Hope my prayers are answered

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Arun Virmani <avarchitect@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Some Action has been iniated, let us encourage it !
Even if we are not able to contribute very much let us not put any
stumbling blocks.Also, let us see some concrete, written
'Declarations....Notifications' before we are lured into ending the
fasts.
Perhaps, Mr Anna Hazare, may eat something to survive, yet continue
with the 'Dharna' and let others continue to fast...'Relay Fasts'

Bests

Arun

On 4/8/11, Ashok Chaitanya <ashok_chaitanya@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Dear Sh. Sarabjit Jee,
>
> In response to your query No.1, I wish to say that yes, I hold briefs for
> many. But how does it relate to the present movement brought in by the real
> and current GNADHI of this country Sh. ANNA Jee. The entire country is with
> Anna Ji.
>
> With respect to your query No.2, how come you think that I am or for that
> purpose any other person associated with or having support for the cause
> taken up by our the true and selfless leader of MOTHER INDIA, Sh. Anna ji,
> am/ are afraid of anything? Who is afraid of, is visible everywhere.
>
> In respect of your third assertion, I humbly say that you have a point, but
> does it have any relevance with the present movement? Don't you want that
> the corruption be checked and ousted from our system?
>
> I think, I don't need to clarify anything more, because lots have been said
> by lots of esteemed members of this platform.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashok Chaitanya,
> A soldier of Anna Brigade.
>
> JAI HIND, VANDE MAATARAM.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sarbajit roy
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:17 PM
> To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Anna Hazare "a most corrupt individual and a
> hypocrite" says Suresh Jain
>
> Dear Ashok-ji
>
> 1) Do you hold a brief for anyone ?
> 2) Why are you afraid if skeletons keep tumbling out ?
> 3) Let he who is without sin cast the first stone !!
>
> Diwanji is well aware of the facts. Is it not better if he is able to
> clarify one or two issues, especially concerning role of fake Swamis
> like Agnivesh (Vepa Rao). Diwanji should also clarify why the backdrop
> of Hazare's fasting podium has a portrait of Bharat Mata swathed in
> Chinese colours in the "Red corridor" with the Indian Flag dipping to
> China.
>
> Just in case any wishes to know my bias concerning Swami Agnivesh, my
> grand-father's grandfather was one of the leading Arya Samjists of his
> times in Punjab and was the person who initiated Lala Lajpat Rai into
> Arya Samaj and later into politics. (this can be confirmed from the
> Lala's autobiography)
>
> Sarbajit
> .
> On Apr 7, 5:27 pm, "Ashok Chaitanya" <ashok_chaita...@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>> Mr. Diwanji,
>>
>> I would humbly request not to respond such mails which are apparently
> being
>> generated with oblique motive. Ye public hai, sab jaanati hai.. Kise kis
>> kaam ke paise mil rahe hain.
>>
>> Ashok Chaitanya
>>
>> From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Diwan Singh
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:18 PM
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Anna Hazare "a most corrupt individual and a
>> hypocrite" says Suresh Jain
>>
>> If you want to do social work with real zeal, its not possible to do so
> much
>> reporting. No wonder, so many NGOs that start with good objectives land up
>> doing paper work. Anna openly told the donors that he can not send so many
>> reports whether they give donations in future or not. Its a reality that
> we
>> have to understand and not measure an individuals on lack of innocuous
> paper
>> work. His work talks much more than any paper work would do.
>>
>> These paper works also ensure that only 15% of Govt.'s funds reach the
> true
>> beneficiary in villages. Why we want to blame Anna for the ills that
> should
>> be done away with. He has dared to fight those ills. Kudos to him.
>>
>> Diwan
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:25 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anna Hazare is "a most corrupt individual and a hypocrite" said Suresh
> Jain,
>> a former NCP minister of Maharashtra who is engaged in cross defamation
>> criminal complaints with Hazare since 2003. The focus of Mr Sureshdada
>> Jain's complaint revolves around certain charitable trusts set up by
> Hazare
>> with foreign funds received as awards like Magsaay award and counter bank
>> loans taken but not reported to Charity Commissioner which Anna later
>> admitted to.
>
>
>

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Arun Virmani