Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH

Sarabjit Roy is a shame on this country. He hardly knows what people's movements are. Anyone supporting the lethargy of a system which could not bring a Lokpal bill for 42 years is a stooge. I hope he learns to respect people's wishes. See how the people of the country are coming in support of demolishing corruption. This movement is today what it is, only because of Anna's fast. 

Sarabjit's power in this forum should be curtailed. Let him not raise issues which are not relevant today. If it does not happen I will continue to post comments which might not be palatable to him. 

Regards

JP Dabral

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:32:29 , jasvir70@gmail.com wrote
Dear sarabjeet.

While supporting all individuals and forums truly fighting against corruption,  I feel lokpal bill or jan lokpal bill require a serious debate involving a wider civil society and all other stakeholders.

Regards

Jasvir


-----Original Message-----
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:36:19
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH

Dear Jasvir

This is an RTI group at the end of the day. I am not the only person
who is running this group. My co-moderators have been extremely
patient and refrained from participating in the discussions so as not
to aggravate the situation further,
If indeed these discussions are important, there are many other
groups / forums where general discussion takes place.

I am standing by the one point I made. I want to know why Anna Hazare
misused the National Flag on a motor vehicle with a  sticker depicting
incorrect boundaries of India. Let him first apologise to the people
of India for this lapse. As an prospective affected person I say that
people who break small laws cannot be expected to draft big ones on
our behalf.

In any case, why is Anna Hazare special ? If he has a grievance that a
certain law has not been enacted, let him first show us what STATUTORY
steps he has taken to get his grievance addressed as an ORDINARY
CITIZEN before he embarks on this publicity seeking blackmailing
regime.

There is a scheme for this law (LokPal Bill) to be enacted. A GoM /CoS
is on the job. The citizens of India will be given a chance toi file
their comments once the OFFICIAL draft is ready. Why is Anna Hazare
such an old man in a hurry ?? If he actually sticks to his declared
intention of continuing his fast till LP Bill is enacted (after due
process presumably) it will defy all known laws of physics / human
physiology.

Sarbajit

On Apr 6, 3:45 pm, jasvi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear sarabjit. These side discussions are important and should be continued. There is however no need for being personal as some members are tring to be.
> Jasvir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>
> Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 03:29:22
> To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH
>
> At the end of the day, everybody knows that this LokPAL nonsense is an
> election stunt timed to coincide with certain states going to the
> polls. This is ultimately an RTI group. The moderators have been
> tolerating these little side discussions with great patience, (and
> contributing their little mite to keep the discussion balanced) and I
> really cannot say what my co-mods will do henceforth with OffTopic
> contributors..
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 6, 12:47 pm, Sant Mathur <santmat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The armchair critiques  and those indulging in wholly wasteful diversionary
> > techniques will be thrown to the dustbin of History,as the History itself
> > tells.It should be a matter of pride to work
> > at this juncture for the larger good of the nation and mankind and avoid
> > pathetic looking hairsplitting.
> > When national Independence movement was in full swing all types of people
> > probably with their own  agendas had been participating with gusto.Does that
> > mean the movement per se was bad?
> > Look at the content.Look at the desirable outcomes.Look at the spirit behind
> > the movement.Its the traitors who alone could provide pinpricks to a saintly
> > idea,whose time long back had come.
> > And for that matter will some one take note of wasteful (WHOLLY WASTEFUL)
> > distracting moves?No,simply,none will.If those who think they have great
> > inputs in the discourse to provide let them have GUTS to come out in open
> > public and not on the quiet,say through electronic means alone, do the pin
> > pricking.
> > We have spent careers in fighting against corruption,absolutely
> > selflessly,intelligently and assiduously,in wholly democratic manner.
> > Who gets the credit is not important .
> > What finally comes about is.
> > Millions soon will support the move.Its an avalanche.
> > Hope the point is driven home well.If anyone still has doubts one could seek
> > clarification/amplification.But for anyone's sake pl don't let the struggle
> > for freedom from corruption be tried to be disrupted through  unwarranted
> > technicalities.
> > It might show up some type of frustration. Or something even worse.
> > (Jan) Lok pal Legislation is a vital step in the direction of making our
> > great nation corruption-free. Pl support the idea and the outcome.Pl don't
> > even dream to damage the historically great move. If doubts still persist
> > get the matters sorted out through communication with the concerned people
> > rather than create ruptures in the movement.
> > Best wishes
> > s p mathur
> > IPS DGP retd
> > 919841282324
>
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Abhinav <a.h.agar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I will be fasting tomorrow.
> > > Thanks
> > > Abhinav, Noida
>
> > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:31 AM, KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
> > >> hi,
>
> > >> ANNA HAZARE has started the agitation in NEW DELHI against corruption. (no
> > >> point in detailing how the politicians are scuttling it)
>
> > >> Many of us cannot join his movement in Delhi or even in the FREEDOM PARK
> > >> in Bangalore.
>
> > >> There are a millions ways how you *CAN *support THE MOVEMENT.
>
> > >> THE TIME HAS COME for the second chapter of QUIT INDIA.
> > >> Then Gandhi led the movement to drive away the British.
>
> > >> NOW is the time to say QUIT THE CORRUPT
>
> > >> The QUESTION is *DO YOU WANT* TO join the SECOND FREEDOM STRUGGLE.
>
> > >> YOU CAN -
>
> > >> for a strarter *TIE A BLACK COTTON TAPE AROUND YOUR ARM*
> > >> **
> > >> If you have a better IDEA , tell us we will join you.
>
> > >> spread the movement , that is the LEAST you can do.
>
> > >> GANDHIGIRI
>
> > >> --- On *Wed, 6/4/11, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsha...@gmail.com>*wrote:
>
> > >> From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsha...@gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] ANNA'S FAST UN TO DEATH
> > >> To: surend...@avissoftware.com
> > >> Cc: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > >> Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 2:08 AM
>
> > >>   DEAR SURENDRA
> > >>           WHO WILL BELL THE CAT? WHEN P.M. IS NOT KEPT IN CONFIDENCE
> > >> DR JN SHARMA
>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Surendera M. Bhanot <
> > >> surend...@avissoftware.com<http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=surend...@avissoftware.com>
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >> The Congress is a party of Crooks. They are using the clean image of Dr.
> > >> Manmohan Singh to do  all the nefarious activities. The Biggest of all Scams
> > >> has been done by the cronies of the ruling party and the protection has been
> > >> given to them by all means.
>
> > >> Whenever a ray of hope emerges, the ruling party leaders play a big joke
> > >> on the people of India. Instead of doing the public good they are more
> > >> interested in saving their skins. When JP emerged in 1975 with a mass moment
> > >> to rout out the congress misrule, the blackest of all Emergency was imposed
> > >> and JP was done to death.. Congress in Narsimha Rao saved his Government by
> > >> corrupt practices. The present Government followed suit.
>
> > >> What is the guarantee that Anna Hazare will not meet the same fate.
>
> > >> *Are we ready for yet another emergency?*
> > >>  *
> > >> *
> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <
> > >> dr.jagnarainsha...@gmail.com<http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dr.jagnarainsha...@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >> DEAR GUPTA JI & ALL
> > >> We hope that GOI  may  initiate action on JAN LOKPAL BILL.
> > >> Credit will go to Anna Hazare, who taken initiative in the matter.
> > >>         You have rightly sited Nitish Kumar, who also is working on to
> > >> eradicate corruption.
> > >>           He needs to be careful, because Mafia in his state Bihar  will
> > >> attack him any time . I pray for his safety. If P.M. takes the matter
> > >> seriously, some thing may be possible to introduce ' jan lok pal bill '
> > >> Regards
> > >> DR. JN SHARMA
> > >> ADVOCATE/HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:59 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in<http://in.mc946.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in>
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >>   Anna is all in one, Gandhi, Subhash and Jai Prakash Narayan at a time.
> > >> Rise against corruption before it is too late.  Govt. is soft on corruption
> > >> while judiciary is tough.  Learn ways to fight corruption from from Nitish
> > >> Kumar, CM, Bihar who has forfeited the ill-acquired prosperities and
> > >> schools are being run in those.
>
> > >> The question is of will power of the Union Govt.  This is the moment when
> > >> our PM can prove that he has guts to take on corrupts without fear and
> > >> favour.  Introduce the Jan Lok Pal Bill in the coming session, be hard on
> > >> CWG, 2G, Money stashed in Foreign Bank, action  against black money
> > >> within the country (Hasan Ali and others), timely deteted would be scam
> > >> in another spectrum to involving Devos by Antrikx, Madhu Koda.  List is long
> > >> but memory short.
>
> > >> Country is with Anna, Ramdev, Swami Agnivesh, Kiran Bedi, J M Lingdoh,
> > >> Shashi and Prashant Bhushan, Arvind Kejriwal and others who r fighting
> > >> against the termite of corruption.
>
> > >> Those who are in a position to visit, must visit the Jantar Mantar and
> > >> spare some time to join Anna in his fast.  Such rare moments come rarely.
>
> > >> --
> > >> Warm Regards
>
> > >> Surendera M. Bhanot
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>
> > > --
> > > Thanks
> > > Abhinav
>
> > > "
> > > Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch
> > > that never hurts...
> > > "