I am certain for your views are never being endorsed by secular community and relentless demands for more privileges are being put ahead by secular leaders. Ms Zaidi, can you please mention why there is illiteracy in women of secular community? animal like behavior treatment of secular woman, I have closely observed such communities, who suppresses their 50% of their populations views, freedoms, ambitions, rights and forced slave dictations on them. I am sure understanding your situation, you are not in any position even to represent your opinions in front of your leaders and my explanation maybe well waste of words.
I suppose, if you are against any privilege for secular caste, can you oppose shariat court? will you pray in a madrasa with men? will secular community have a sense of equality with hindu counterparts? will secular govt. employees agree to have two child policy? Will secular society will ever feel INDIAN in heart? Will secular society feel at ease when some strong actions have to be taken against the nuisance peoples (read pakistan and kashmiris)? Does your son stands up during national anthem at least as a sign of respect to nation? (yes, it may be made for bengal and blah blah, but it is an symbol for uniqueness of Indian identity and nationality)
Keeping aside anything which divides India, secular leader and society does not has a efficient leadership or a political front, and vote to only choice they have, Indian Worst enemy "Congress Party", who are destroying Bharat for last 60 years, though I say 100 years.
I wish, each person on this list, should have to fight this war of corruption which is present in governance, justice, society, religion and of course on spiritual level till one wins. File RTI, publish these results in press, put to shame these prevalent corrupted practices in front of common public, on individual basis. Let us be ninja or soldiers, acting independently causing maximizing damages to such corrupted policies.
Each son is born from a mother, such mother is a failure, who cannot teach her son respect for females, respect for his wife, who loves her daughters and daughters in laws. Your ranting about inequality, is a shame to your womanhood, who fails to get rights and speaks only about the presence of inequality. The main question is WHY WOMEN ARE MAIN ENEMY OF WOMEN?
Our children should not say that the deteriorated condition that they will be facing as part of inactivity or only pen swordmanship of us. ( I am 26yrs old and I say this to my older generation quiet often).
I am not a HIndutva person but I am a person, who understand Hindu "religion" as class of wisdom and spiritual satisfaction. And to declare, I never go to temples or pray, nor I am a member of any organization. I am a plain hindu who believes in having good karma for any god to judge me for going to hell. (pretty much I know I am going to hell)
@ SD Sharma, we cannot have people who use the word "secular" for hiding their agendas, their communities are not matured to voice their opinion on any goddamn subject except jihad and inequality (they are supposed to be facing). Have we ever heard, a secular person standing in their community and speaking of "economics" "love""women rights""science"(except that used to manufacture destructive nuisance). I am yet to find such person, (I am damn sure she will point to abdul kalam...) . Then one person of secular community find a list like these and begin opposing a brief discussion. I am member of this mailing list from a really long time, we had many violent, to the point discussions, verbal wars etc.. you can ask Mr. Roy, his frictions with MK gandhi, Sharma and some times even me, but always all the parties involved learned something. Monothesit should understand, change is only constant in the universe, be rigid in one situation and you are broken before you know. And you should understand what problems are existing in our society.
Monotheist have problems in their own society but never think twice when blaming it to us. Also they find it very difficult to digest that any other community is introspecting their stance in society, which these people do in EVERY religious location they have. (they cannot use email as majorities are uneducated).
This has to be change in best interest of country we call as mother India.
Regards,
Hemant K
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Sir
India is also the misfortune of neither being the democratic nor the secular country. Political class and some parties who are not political parties but controlling political parties in unsecular way are trying to divide the people in India on communal grounds
The 3 major religions of India are also divided into 2 groups - Monotheists and the Others (which means Atheists, Polytheists, Tribals, animists, .nature worshiper and so on)
Monotheist persons will never bow to any song like Vannde mataram or National Anthem on principled grounds. For the others like Polytheists already worshipping 333 karor gods of India, 1 President or 1 Italian emporress more or less to be worshipped makes no difference so they follow like fools and do matha tekna blindly.
S D SharmaOn Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Shama Zaidi <shamazaidi@gmail.com> wrote:secular means that no religion is privileged. pakistan and Bangladesh are neither democratic nor secular and like israel are founded on the notion of privileging one religious identity over others. how can anyone support such social arrangements. india is meant to give equal opportunities to every group. and for your information the most downtrodden mainority in india are indian women. you must have noted how difficult it is for male politicians to give us equal rights.
On 20 March 2013 17:39, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:Please Mr. Shama Zaidi, can you please mention meaning of the word "secular" in context with your statement below. I am not against any caste or subcaste, but many people term secular as minority groups (read muslims). In India, secular generally means the people who have much more privileged than any other community. But true meaning of secular means person who sees everyone in same level. But forgive me, it is imperative that minority people want different laws as citizen of india, they do not want to stand up for the national anthem, legally allowed for polygamy, (which other islamist countries have banned), dredge their women in black gowns, they want shariat law not indian justice system.Main question "Does secularism means to allow different levels of rights and levels of inequality in society?" "Is it wrong to have people be equal in front of law atleast?"Such differences in the attitude adopted by the minority communities, to seek out benefits from our corrupted government leads out only more poor people in these sects. With Divide and Rule adopted by Congress party gives impetus for such demands from minority communities to foster.I wish to highlight plight of the hindus in Bangladesh or Pakistan. They are not even allowed to practice their religion or earn their daily bread, let aside being treated at par with the their other "majority" people.The "secular" people in india openly support such actions of their counter parts, with actions like marrying their daughters to bangladeshis and pakistanis. They line up for the person who attack parliament, for stone pelter who dies in attacking our RR army personnel, (only becoz he want benefits of India and Flag of Pakistan). Even after doing this all, they call themselves "secular".Now the time has came, when term "secular" or "secularism" has to be defined again. Hindus have been the most secular community, though people on this mail List will come forward with incidences supporting points against it.Regards,Hemant KOn Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Shama Zaidi <shamazaidi@gmail.com> wrote:
pseudo-secularists is as bad as calling hindu-nationalists as [seudo-nationalists. anyone who thinks in sectional terms whether minority or majority is a pseudo-nationalists whether secular or hinduvadi.
On 20 March 2013 11:29, seema mustafa <seemamustafa@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr Roy,Glad to know that the list is being cleansed. Communal sentiments are not just worrisome but totally against the interests of our country and its beautiful Constitution committed to secularism and socialismBestSeema
Seema MustafaSome of them could be real Hindutva/BJP supporters.Calling these nationalists/patriots as anti nationals is bad on your part.It has become fashion for so called pseudo secularists to label any one who disagree with them as RSS/Hindutva/BJP/Antinationals.Kindly think over this.On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC subscribers
Many of you would have noticed a sudden increase in "Hindutva" and VHP type of messages in our group recently and may have drawn some wrong conclusions.
We wish to now inform you that these were part of a large international Chinese hacking attempt to penetrate computers of IAC members, to plant trojans by spoofing emails as sent from our list, and also to hack our email servers. There is a large coordinated attempt by professional Chinese military hackers know as PLA 61398 and other Chinese military cyber hacking units posing as militant Hindus and joining various Internet forums and posting comments on blogs, Facebook, Indiatimes, NDTV etc.
In the past 2 weeks IAC has identified over 300 fake persons and identities masquerading as Hindu / nationalist patriots, and we are eliminating most (but not all) from this mailing list. We hope that after this IAC has eliminated most of the anti-national persons from the movement and we can now get on with our work of cleansing India which has been hindered by one corrupt force or another.
with best wishes to everyone
Sarbajit
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