Hello friends Dictionary meaning of 'secular' is 'having no connection with religion'. in the case of 'secularisation' is 'moving away from religion'. This being the position how can 'Hindu religion' be called 'secular?. It is nothing but 'aethism' at state level which means a society framed in high materialistic intent. No morals will be encouraged in personnel or social life of the individuals and collectively by the state. 'Humane qualities' will never be encouraged at any levels of upbringing so much so the society could be run on with out any cementing force/passion. Highly individualistic style of functioning with selfish motive alone will be the driving force which is what we experience today in the country. The leaders and rulers are looting the country or very corrupt because of this attitude developed by individuals in the name of 'secularism'. Humane qualities can be imbibed only through religious teachings which alone has got that content. A nation whose proclaimed basic aproach is 'secular' can ever follow a social philosophy of 'love. affection, concern for others, gratitude ect' which are all 'humane qualities'. Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE,INFAM(IndianFarmersMovement)National Trustee.
--- On Sun, 16/12/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy
To: "iac@lists.riseup.net" <iac@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Sunday, 16 December, 2012, 12:29 PM
Thanks to Mr.Roy's incoherent and intemperate outbursts we have digressed from our main theme that is fight against corruption.How ever since the 'politically much abused" word secularism has been brought in,I would like to put in two words.
Compared to the principles of 'true path' and other concepts of 'intolerance of other faiths' practiced by semitic religeons,Hinduism is basically secular.So ingrained is this Hindu concept of secularism in our national culture that it did not even occur to the architects of our Constitution that they should specially mention it as one of its preambulary principles. It is only during the anti-democratic Emergency rule (1975–77) imposed by Indira Gandhi that secularism found a place in the Constitution through the route of amendment without any discussion in Parliament.(opposition leaders were in jail). As every one knows Indira Gandhi was not burdened by any priniciple either personally, ideologically or otherwise. Unfortunately those leaders who chartered our destiny after our independence had their owm version of secularism.Nehru's secularism was based on atheism where as her daughter's was based on vote bank and minorityism which her followers are following even today. it is being interpreted and practiced in terms that negate the essential cultural and civilisational personality of India. In the context of the Ayodhya movement, Lord Ram and Babur were sought to be equated in the name of secularism.
Medieval India was an Islamic empire where Muslims were rulers and Hindus the ruled. Never equals. It was the relation between a master and his slave, the predator and the prey. Hindus were disunited and timid to put up any real resistance. Many of them became collaborators for small favors. Yet the Congress appointed Press Council Chairman,Ex Justice Katju says Hindu-Muslim strife started after the arrival of the British. It was the British who saved Hindus from slavery and gave a level ground for them to develop their natural intellectual genius. If Turks, Afghans or Persians were ruling India, Mahatma Gandhi would not have survived even one day.Our Ex.Lordship's knowledge of Indian history requires brushing up.
If 1857 revolt was successful, India would have been another Middle east with squabbling and corrupt Sheikhs and their duffedars.
History is a sacred relic and any attempt to paint over it, is immoral to say the least. And that is what Nehru and Indira Gandhi were doing stuffing ICHR with characters like Romila Thapar,Irfan Habib,KN Panikkar and others.
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:36:46 +0530 From: sroy.mb@gmail.com To: iac@lists.riseup.net Subject: Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy Dear Mr. Navnith
This is "India Against Corruption". The keyword is INDIA. The "India" that is not your warped idea of "Bharat-matatvata".
This list is for nationalists and patriots who are fed up with the corruption in India ( which is not Bharat - but is really Hindustan !!).
If you cannot understand such basic and elementary things you are most welcome to leave (also known as F***ing Off) the IAC and hie off to nakli forums for hijdas like the AAP. Every message from this group instructs pseudo-secularists how to do so at the very bottom.
It is a fact that Anna is massively foreign financed I don't say so, he himself says on on his website.
It is a fact that Arvind is massively foreign financed. He has never denied it. His own audited account books and reports proudly flutter this message that he received foreign funds in large amounts.. The same is the case for Kiran Bedi. Only recently it again came out in the media that she controlled at least 15 banks accounts and has regular withdrawals of foreign funds for her NGOs. It also came out that foreignfunds were being misused for personal expenses of these ex-IAC leaders.
Please understand very clearly that PATRIOTS like us will never accept dubious arguments from HARAMIS (possibly like you) that its all very well to take foreign funds to do "good" work in India (also known as conversion of Dalits to Christianity or Islam) . This is the height of nonsense and stupidity. HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER CALLS THE TUNE. .. translated in Hindi .. 'naach meri bulbul tujhe paise milega'
In any case what have Arvind etc. actually done to curb corruption. Let me tell you. ... Nothing !!! (merely publicising incidents of corruption which were known to everybody for years is not corruption fighting).
Let me also tell you this.
Certain depts of the Govt were investigating Robert Vadra and tapping his phones and investigating his deals for a long time. They were doing this on the direct instructions of Sonia Gandhi herself who was very concerned about her son-in-law and his political ambitions through "Priyanka- now-not-a-Ghandhi" (who is the natural counter-point in Congress to the crown prince Rahul who has no charisma at all.)
The entire Robert-Vadra-DLF so-called expose was a Congress stunt using Kejriwal who is still controlled by Christian Sonia through Christian Aruna Roy (forgot what Christian Diggy says in public - that is only a nautanki) to cut Christian Priyanaka and Christian Robert down to size so that super-Christian Rahul can do "son-shine" as Christian General Secretary in Christian AICC with Christian Anthony and Christian Ambika and Christian YSR and Hindu Francois Gautier and Jean Dreze and so on .
The entire IAC act of Anna, Arvind, Kiran Bedi, Bhushans is scripted between the Congress and RSS who have formed an axis against the BJPand the Left.
In other words, Christian America is p(l)aying all sides and Godless China is laughing for free.
" National Convenor' PS: We are as well aware of corruption/rot in the Armed forces as you are (if not better informed). On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear National Convener,I do agree with Mr.Malhotra. I feel Indira Gandhi's ghost has caught up with you in your seeing foreign hand every where.You have nothing else to write other than negatives about every body.Only a man like you can accuse a person like Anna being controlled by foreign funds. Calling Anna a parasite is the height of stupidity.What ever the faults of Anna,Kejriwal and others,next to Subrahmaniam Swamy,they are the people who have done yeoman service in breinging to public attention the loot being carried out by the Italian led Congress and their henchmen.
You should abstain from commenting on people like Gen.V.K.Singh whom you do not know.I write this as an Ex-Army Officer.You are unaware of the level of corruption in the Army. The 'syndicate' started functioning from Gen.JJ Singh's time and continued with Gen Deepak Kapoor. They did not want any body other than from their syndicate to become the Chief to safe guard their interests .Gen.V.K.Singh was an eyesore for trhem.They tried to remove him from the hierarchial list forcing him to agree 1950 as his YOB(another brilliant officer who was much younger and a Sword of Honour winner was superceded to pave way for the present chief).VK is a third generation soldier.Born to a Lt.Col and born in an Army Hospital ,how can there be a controversy about his YOB?The unfortunate part is that he did not get support from ;St.Antony',the so called incorruptible Defence Minister.People did not kbow that Antony is only bothered about his reputation and what his subordinates do is not his concern.He was one of the weakest CMs Kerala has ever seen.During his tenureship as CM,Kerala,he completely surrendered to the communal Muslim League and Christian Kerala Congress.In the ensuing elections Congress lost every parliament seat.Sonia took him to Delhi because of his religion,his cleverly manipulated image of honesty and his mask of lack of ambition.
The army shortages did not start with VK.It was there when JJ was there as well as Kapoor.Your calling Ex-Admirals dubious characters shows your immaturity.
I am getting a torrent of condemnable messages from you. By your irresponsible comments you are doing a great disservice to the fight against corruption.
I would like to delink my self from this mail list.If you can do it kindly do it.
navnith
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