Dear Col. Kishore,
While I endorse your views that our first 'desire' would be to remove the intrusive corruption at lower levels that affects us in our daily lives, and then take on the big ticket corruption later, unfortunately it is a fact that the higher ups and lower level staff indulge in corruption as a team. It has now bcome an accepted norm that unless you pay consideration money at every level, nothing gets done. Worse, most of the unsuspecting citizenry has become victims of extortion at every level, which in other words can also be called 'corrupt practice'. I really do not know where the answer lies, but one thing is a MUST - that each of us needs to resist the temptation of choosing the easy way of getting our jobs done. Changing a societal attitude and norm is not a one man's job that can be accomplished in a generation time frame. It has to be collective effort where no one can say it is some body else's job.
More importantly, I would like you to revisit your views about we ex-servicemen remaining apolitical. Our contract with the services ends the day we retire/leave and till that happens we are supposed to remain apolitical. Once we become ex, then we are first citizens and then any thing body else. If we do not make use of our experience of several years and of different conditions to the civil after we retire, then I think we may be wasting our talents and our experience as leaders.In today's scenario it becomes even more important, if not vital for us to engage with the political and bureaucratic class at every level, and that can happen if we start taking a proactive approach in our immediate neighborhood community matters, and educating every one that we need to change the system by getting involved and not merely taking the posture of non engagement because we are 'supposed to be apolitical'. When we engage with community affairs, it automatically means interacting with the local authorities, and I dare say that we from the services have a distinct edge in terms of providing leadership. You may or may not join any poliotical party, but the very fact that politics is an integral part of our lives and is playing a huge role in determining the quality of our lives, both morally and economically, we ex-soldiers can ill afford to remain mute spectators. While eradicating corruption should remain our ultimate objective, but many small steps have to be taken to achieve our common objective.
Let us rise above the single current objective of OROP etc. etc.
Regards,
Major (Retd) Promod Kapur
(Ex- 19th IMA Course)
While I endorse your views that our first 'desire' would be to remove the intrusive corruption at lower levels that affects us in our daily lives, and then take on the big ticket corruption later, unfortunately it is a fact that the higher ups and lower level staff indulge in corruption as a team. It has now bcome an accepted norm that unless you pay consideration money at every level, nothing gets done. Worse, most of the unsuspecting citizenry has become victims of extortion at every level, which in other words can also be called 'corrupt practice'. I really do not know where the answer lies, but one thing is a MUST - that each of us needs to resist the temptation of choosing the easy way of getting our jobs done. Changing a societal attitude and norm is not a one man's job that can be accomplished in a generation time frame. It has to be collective effort where no one can say it is some body else's job.
More importantly, I would like you to revisit your views about we ex-servicemen remaining apolitical. Our contract with the services ends the day we retire/leave and till that happens we are supposed to remain apolitical. Once we become ex, then we are first citizens and then any thing body else. If we do not make use of our experience of several years and of different conditions to the civil after we retire, then I think we may be wasting our talents and our experience as leaders.In today's scenario it becomes even more important, if not vital for us to engage with the political and bureaucratic class at every level, and that can happen if we start taking a proactive approach in our immediate neighborhood community matters, and educating every one that we need to change the system by getting involved and not merely taking the posture of non engagement because we are 'supposed to be apolitical'. When we engage with community affairs, it automatically means interacting with the local authorities, and I dare say that we from the services have a distinct edge in terms of providing leadership. You may or may not join any poliotical party, but the very fact that politics is an integral part of our lives and is playing a huge role in determining the quality of our lives, both morally and economically, we ex-soldiers can ill afford to remain mute spectators. While eradicating corruption should remain our ultimate objective, but many small steps have to be taken to achieve our common objective.
Let us rise above the single current objective of OROP etc. etc.
Regards,
Major (Retd) Promod Kapur
(Ex- 19th IMA Course)
On 21 December 2012 10:07, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Baig,Greetings.Your note is welcome, but we Army/AF/IN and CPOS(Mostly) may not engage in Bonapartism.Armed Services have been apolitical and still have faith in Democratic values.So, the requirement now we all are labouring for is to rid ourselves of petty corruption immidiately and the larger corruption in near future..Regards.Ltcol retd TTKishoreOn Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Colonel Tadepali
It is only the religion and caste politics which is use by the rascal netas to divide India.
It is time for all caste based reservations to be scrapped. even now the communal party like BJP and Congress still playing such reservation games 65 years after Independence. These reservations were meant to be for 10 years only, today no civilian government can discard them.
It is now also the moment for India to be taken over by military and all these Constitutional evils be scrapped. There is hardly any time left now because after this Indians will also lose faith in Armed Forces and its commanders with the motivated mud slinging.
Mohd Ali Baig
IAC district Cordinator.On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:10 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
DearCol JayakaranSir,
Greetings.DrRoy has a point.After 65 years of freedom(?) dont you think its high time a sincere effort is in order to belie the expectations of people like Hon WChurchill ! Either we get a deal to have fair play towards all based on certain protection for the disadvantaged within reasonable limits or there is definite chance of war of haves and have nots.(We in Defence services do not have to bother about reservations for the SC/ST /BC as all are Equal,though we have the paradox of intelligence being directly proportional to seniority in rank!)What I mean is we the people of Bharat which is not India of Netas and their Betas want freedom from day to day petty corruption immediately and then from bigger corruption in near future. This if requires a resurgence of the tough and egalitarian Hindustan RepublicArmy of BhagatSinghs likes SO BE IT.Regards
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From: Sarbajit Roy
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012
Subject: Re:[IAC++] A new political set up forI ndia.To: iac@lists.riseup.net
That's all very well, but it isn't relevant to this list/IAC.
India Against Corruption is the apolitical people's movement which believe that change/improvement is continuous and incremental, and doesn't occur in a frenzied fashion once every 5 years just because some corrupt politicians.need to be reelected to keep their bungalows and cars with lal-battis and subsidised chicken biryani at 5 bucks per plate in the Parliament canteen.
In fact the only reason we are having this threaded discussion is because Col. Jayakaran had got certain bits of IAC and AAP mixed up.
BTW: Deprived Parsis and Ahmediyas already get special treatment in the form, of National / State Minority Commissions, special laws and whatnot and shouldn't be complaining. Where I ask is the Uniform Civil Code ?
SarbajitOn Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
The Professionals Party India is trying something like that. I get their emails often with various stands, proposed policies and such. I find it to be a fairly "upper middle class" view in the sense the issues and objectives are all in terms of "improving facilities" rather than fixing fundamental wrongs. Now there is a fairly strongish "anti-corruption" trend, which too doesn't seem anything unique.I believe that more than "intelligent and experienced", we need real people with real problems wading in. We need a few farmers in debt joining a political party, for example. We need forgotten communities like Parsis or Ahmadiyyas bringing in perspectives on communal politics. The "intelligence" of it can be collective, IMO, the need of the hour is for people with real problems who can be vocal on what they are and if a proposed solution will be helpful to become visible, as opposed to people who imagine they understand everyone's problems and know what is "right".We need them to keep issues that go under the carpet on the table, so that collective brains with an experience of what it means to have problems that get ignored can work together and find ways to find fixes that will not get sidelined.This may mean willingness to sponsor politicians from underprivileged sections till they can earn an income if elected. This sponsorship has to be institutional without strings attached.
Just a view.
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