Are they secular? TO SUIT THEIR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA THEY WILL LABEL OTHERS AS COMMUNAL, WHEREAS THEY ARE CREATING FERTILE GROUND FOR RIOTS & FISSURES IN SOCIETY.
Why give reservations - give the downtrodden facilities & infrastructure & let them come up on merit. You have seen even DALIT BILLIONAIRES ON TV PROGRAMS.
Why dont they tell the dalits to follow the example & become brilliant & meritorious just like the great man BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR.
This will result in most Dalits becoming Babasaheb Ambedkars & greatly contributing to the country & society.
I would like all to rise up & become great meritorious citizens of India & build the country & society.
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com> wrote:
Reservation in service was initially for ten years.It was extended from time to time.Now more than 60 years has passed .It is still there.It has thus become perpetual.Now there is a class ,whome I would call 'upper class', in the reserved category casts who gets the benefit of reservation.The other class in the reserved category are those who have so far not received any benefit of reservation.Such a class is now a 'lower class' in the reserved category.Though Supreme Court evolved a concept of ' Creamy Layer ' but was not satisfying the ambitions of the 'upper class' in the reserved category.The call 'reservation in pramotion' is again for those who are allready enjoying the fruits of reservation and are occupying the position of 'upper class'in the reserved category.Actually at the initiel stage of recruitment in service the concept of 'creamy layer should be applied to all the citizens of India to provide equality of status and of opportunity without discrimination on the ground of casts or religion.Reservation in pramotion is bound to dilute the quality , merit & efficiency.The argument that reserved category officers fail to reach the top in certain services is not correct.At the recruitment stage the age of entry of reserved category is very high.They therefore retire earlier & fail to reach the top.The age limit at the reqruitment stage be made ,same ,as of general category.Therafter the reserved category officers would surely be in the zone of consideration for top posts.D C Verma
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dt.19/12/12
Dear Sir,
In secular India you cannot speak about morality and ethics. Social, family and personal rights and obligations have been taken over by the State. Civil society groups are branded as disgruntled and unelectable.
When there is no fear,you can do anything and get away with it as it is happening in India.
There are three types of fears to keep a check on wrongdoings-fear of God by whatever name you call it,the fear of the ruler of Govt. and of the society. None of these fears is visible in the country.
2.The questions being asked from Mr. Jetley should more appropriately be asked from leaders of the ruling party
Parliament has been reduced for making allegations and counter allegations.
Bills are being passed without any discussion Govt. is resorting to more and more on delegated governance.
Civil Society is totally divided pitted against the unitedGovt and powerful business lobby.
JKGaur
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:54 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC++] Shri Arun Jaitley - Can BJP ever look at the issuesobjectively from the National Point of view and beyond Petty Vote BankPolitics?
Dear All
To expect ethics and truthfulness from political parties is like growing hair on one's inside of the palm. Because this has become a rare commodity, the whole society's thinking has gone to such low that resulted in the last gangrape in Delhi 2 days ago.It was inhuman in all respects and those who did it are even worse than animals. Similar things we witness in the actions of politicians. The PM did not give credence to the Jan Lok Pal Bill as it could have dented his credibility as the PM.The FDI in retail or cash transfer system have been brought out to divert people's mind away from so many scams. The BJP voted in the RS on the controversial Reservation in promotion Billl and they even proposed an amendment that was accepted. and when it would again come to the LS they will oppose it in splinter groups to thwart the 66.66% majority. The whole politics in the parliament is based on black mail. BSP blackmails the government to bring about this reservation bill ahead of other bill as BSP walked out of the LS for FDI vote , SP is all against this bill in the RS & let us see how they behave in the LS. The sword of CBI investigation is hanging on the heads of both these parties.
So talk about morality and ethics is futile with these politicians. Unless they mend their ways the people will continue to remain selfish & insensitive to other fellow beings.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Dear Shri Arun Jaitley,
Can BJP ever look the issues objectively from National Point of view and beyond Vote Bank Politics?
Regards,--
(Babubhai Vaghela)
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CC : Shri L K Advani, New Delhi.
CC : Mr Justice Altamas Kabir, Chief Justice of India, New Delhi.CC : Shri Pranab Mukherjee, President of India, New Delhi.
Day after vote, SC-ST promotion quota Bill roils BJP from within![FP]( "Joshi, Swaraj, Adityanath in New Delhi Tuesday. PTI")
Joshi, Swaraj, Adityanath in New Delhi Tuesday. PTIRavish Tiwari
A day after the BJP supported a constitutional amendment Bill in the Rajya Sabha to provide quotas for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in promotions in government jobs, senior BJP leaders from Uttar Pradesh took their objections to the party leadership.Sources said senior leaders Murli Manohar Joshi and Lalji Tandon stressed at the BJP parliamentary party meeting Tuesday that the move could have an adverse impact on the party's support base in UP.
BJP leader L K Advani was learnt to have asked Leader of Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley to explain the rationale behind supporting the Bill. Sources said Jaitley argued that the party can claim credit for its intervention that got the government to introduce amendments to provide a ceiling of 22 per cent, and incorporate principles of efficiency by way of annual confidential reports for SC, STs for availing promotions.
BJP sources said former party president Rajnath Singh too is opposed to the Bill.
"Even MPs from Madhya Pradesh and Bihar are against it. The government will face the music when it brings the Bill in Lok Sabha," a BJP MP said.
BJP MPs said the party's firebrand MP from Gorakhpur, Yogi Adityanath, has described the move as "dacoity in the name of social justice", and indicated that he may not hesitate to voice his opposition in Lok Sabha.
Former UP BJP chief Surya Pratap Shahi too had warned the party leadership on the Bill.
http://m.indianexpress.com/news/day-after-vote-scst-promotion-quota-bill-roils-bjp-from-within/1047360/
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From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:46 AM
Subject: Prime Minister - Repeal Article 335 of 1949 unless Govt furnish Data & Documentary Evidences on the "Efficiency of Administration"....
To: Prime Minister Govt of India <pmosb@pmo.nic.in>
Cc: Chief Secretary to GoG Gandhinagar <csguj@gujarat.gov.in>, riseindiarise@googlegroups.com, Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>, feedback2chairman@iocl.co.in, right-to-information-act-2005 <Right-to-Information-Act-2005@googlegroups.com>, India Law Offices New Delhi <indialawoffices@airtelmail.in>, Secretary DoPT <secy_mop@nic.in>, office@tharoor.in, shashi.tharoor@sansad.nic.in, Union Minister for HRD <hrm@sb.nic.in>, "Shri Alok Rawat Secretary (Coord & PG) PG PMO" <secypg@nic.in>, Cabinet Secretary to Government of India <cabinetsy@nic.in>, Supreme Court of India <supremecourt@nic.in>, Pranab Mukherjee President of India <presidentofindia@rb.nic.in>
Dr Manmohan Singh,Prime Minister, GOI,New DelhiDear Sir,
In the subject matter, I would like to know:
- As to how does the Government define "Efficiency of Administration" in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.
- Since 1949, in case the Govt has measured "Efficiency of Administration", please furnish the study data to show as to how efficient is the Administration of the Union and the States.
- Relevance of Caste or Creed or Race or Religion in the matter of "Efficiency of Administration" in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.
- Name the Caste or Creed or Race or Religion that claim to born with Merit.
- Name the Caste or Creed or Race or Religion that is not born with any Merit.
While concluding, I would like to know from the Prime Minister as to why Article 335 in The Constitution Of India 1949 should not be repealed.Regards,--
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Central Government Act
Article 335 in The Constitution Of India 1949
335. Claims of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes to services and posts The claims of the members of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes shall be taken into consideration, consistently with the maintenance of efficiency of administration, in the making of appointments to services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.CC : Mr Shashi Tharoor, Union Minister, HRD, New Delhi.CC : Mr Justice Altamas Kabir, Chief Justice of India, New Delhi.CC : Shri Pranab Mukherjee, President of India, New Delhi.
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