10/4/13
Dearsir,
Mr. Sarabji Roy has opted not to respond to your querry about the leak. May be it is confidential and cannot be put on record.
In my humble opinion they banned Hindus Mahasabha considering it an umbrella organisation of Hindus and linking it with Gandhi,s asassination. The word Hindu was a red herring to a secular Govt.
They did the same for HRA as it believed in armed struggle.. I hope this group because of its association with HRA
ideology does not meet the same fate.
RSS has changed its strategy as a social organisation, but the clamour to ban it has not stopped. Right from the time of Indira Gandhi the Congress Govt. is laying the blame of all communal disturbances at the door of RSS>
In my view Vedic/Hindu/national movements since 18th century-four names stand out-Dayanand Saraswati, Swami Vivekanad, Maharshi Arbindo,Savarkar(controversial). I am leaving out all political leaders. Similarly the role of leaders of 4 states Bengal,Maharashtra,Gujrat and Punjab/UP stands out in political field in independence struggle.(no offence to other state leaders intended.) Let us accept it and move on.
Regds
JKGaur
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 21:10:24 +0530
From: naishadhjoshi@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
Dear Sarabjit,
Good going. Keep it up.
Share more on Dr. Headgevar meeting Savarkar in 1925 to form RSS and to take head-on Jinna and Muslim league.
Savarkar was also against Gandhi, Nehru, Congress and ML. The duo had declined to sign petition for reprieve to Savarkar. He was accused in Gandhi's assassination which he and Godse denied but Nehru, Morarji were pursuing to prove.
How and why then RSS would save Nehru?
Hindu Mahasabha had at that time good following in Bengal. Savarkar though not in politics due to his undertaking to British Raj was the prime force to challenge Congress.
How Hindu Mahasabha, RSS and IAC converged with common agenda and not being averse to violence yet all got banned while as you alleged Nehru was saved by a leak?
Best Regards.
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Dearsir,
Mr. Sarabji Roy has opted not to respond to your querry about the leak. May be it is confidential and cannot be put on record.
In my humble opinion they banned Hindus Mahasabha considering it an umbrella organisation of Hindus and linking it with Gandhi,s asassination. The word Hindu was a red herring to a secular Govt.
They did the same for HRA as it believed in armed struggle.. I hope this group because of its association with HRA
ideology does not meet the same fate.
RSS has changed its strategy as a social organisation, but the clamour to ban it has not stopped. Right from the time of Indira Gandhi the Congress Govt. is laying the blame of all communal disturbances at the door of RSS>
In my view Vedic/Hindu/national movements since 18th century-four names stand out-Dayanand Saraswati, Swami Vivekanad, Maharshi Arbindo,Savarkar(controversial). I am leaving out all political leaders. Similarly the role of leaders of 4 states Bengal,Maharashtra,Gujrat and Punjab/UP stands out in political field in independence struggle.(no offence to other state leaders intended.) Let us accept it and move on.
Regds
JKGaur
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 21:10:24 +0530
From: naishadhjoshi@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The inside job
Dear Sarabjit,
Good going. Keep it up.
Share more on Dr. Headgevar meeting Savarkar in 1925 to form RSS and to take head-on Jinna and Muslim league.
Savarkar was also against Gandhi, Nehru, Congress and ML. The duo had declined to sign petition for reprieve to Savarkar. He was accused in Gandhi's assassination which he and Godse denied but Nehru, Morarji were pursuing to prove.
How and why then RSS would save Nehru?
Hindu Mahasabha had at that time good following in Bengal. Savarkar though not in politics due to his undertaking to British Raj was the prime force to challenge Congress.
How Hindu Mahasabha, RSS and IAC converged with common agenda and not being averse to violence yet all got banned while as you alleged Nehru was saved by a leak?
Best Regards.
On Apr 6, 2013 8:43 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Ahmad
We can fully understand your confusion about IAC and Sangh. But I am very confused myself to learn that you are a Sanghi ("my fellow Sanghis").
The present IAC is a movement associated with Hindustan Republican Association (a secular nationalist movement in Central India) which in turn was derived from / closely associated with the "Anushilan Samiti" and the "Jugantar" which were Hindu "Bengal terrorist" organisations which came up after the Partition of Bengal in 1905.
The HRA is a secular MONOTHEISTIC movement which believed in a formless God (immaterial if he is called Allah or any by other name in any language) and was absolutely against idol worship and caste etc. Hence HRA is different from Jugantar since HRA had Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs etc. united to use violent means to free India from foreign yoke. (I hope you are with me so far).
The founder of RSS Dr. Hedgewar had been closely associated with Jugantar. He was then also associated with HRA. In 1924 HRA's manifesto and other papers were drawn up. Hedgewar took them to Maharashtra (or what is now in Maharashtra) and started spreading HRA's ideology there. RSS (Sangh) was formed in 1925 based on HRA's documents, Charter etc.
However, due to Dr. Hedgewar's personality and background the only persons he could attract to his cause then were lower/middle class Maharashtrian Brahmins like himself as Muslims shunned him. RSS frequently came in conflict with HRA's other groups in Maharashtra operated under Prarthana Samaj which was strictly for a monotheistic/formless/secular God etc. In retaliation RSS evolved into a body which promoted the lower worship (as per Hinduism) of God through Idols and Imagery along with temples and deference to priests, babas etc etc . for the lower classes. At this point HRA and RSS split irrevocably.
After Dr.Hedgewar, his successor Guruji Golwalkar of course propagated the 2 nation theory along with the British spy/traitor Mohandas Gandhi which HRA always opposed. RSS and Congress have always been 2 sides of the same false coin saying one thing and doing another.
HRA was going to topple Nehru in 1947 through violent means but the RSS leaked the plan and saved him. In retaliation, some monotheistic savarna (ie high caste) RSS members sympathetic to HRA left RSS and assassinated Gandhi.
So I hope that you now have a better clarity into whether this IAC (and also its Indiaresists) is a Sanghi outfit or not. I can also freely say that for a period of 2 years from Nov 2010 till Sep. 2012 there were many Sanghis moving about as IAC persons. It was a tactical mistake on part of HRA's leaders to associate with them because they mostly turned out to be money minded scoundrels.
Incidentally, I myself have nothing to do with either RSS or HRA or any other political ideology whatsoever and that includes Congress, BJP, AAP, Left etc who I think are all corrupt 'haramis'.
Sarbajit
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:58 PM, faraz ahmad <faraz_asha@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Chaturvedi,I would have ignored all this if the IAC were not pretending to be something else. Frankly I all along suspected the antecedents of this IAC and now the the new one Indiaresists. The Sanghis have a penchant for creating new organisations every other day. I just wanted to put on record that the Sanghi canard being spread is nothing new to me. I have been hearing this drivel since my childhood from my fellow Sanghis in the Timarpur babu colony where I spent 16 years from early childhood to adulthoodFaraz
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