RE: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?

12/2/13
 
Neither all Hindus will leave nor can they be forced to leave.
Nationalism came into vouge only during the last 2-3 hundred years. Before that there was free movement of people across borders. In other words with the advent of Imperialism when as nation states free movement was curbed.
Our culture is not Hindu culture. It is Vedic culture with many changes over time. But the core beliefs and practices are same.
Hindu word came from the Arab world. Initially they were traders on western coast and started calling people Hindus.
Mr. Ravi,s comments are positive. There is no need to look back whatever happened prior to indepndence.
sanik Sangh surely is patriotic but their cooments mirror the frustration of all nationalists who are unable to change
things for the better.
Good thing is that we now realise things are not what we had hoped for/dreamt after the freedom. Out of this realisation and persistent efforts things are bound to improve.
Gaur
 

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From: terrestrian@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:16:05 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?

if all non hindus leave or are forced to leave india will india become a heaven?

Koshy

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM, marshwiggle23 <terrestrian@gmail.com> wrote:

i am a christian should i be expelled?

Koshy

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ravi

Thanks for sharing your views.

As an ardent patriot and nationalist myself, let me supplement your knowledge of "sainik sangh" which I could glean from their website "www.sainiksangh.org".

1) The Organisation is the "Ex-Serviceman's League" raised on 1997 and is a Registered body/society. It is an apolitical, non-profit body working for IESM's which does not raise funds and works to instill patriotism and discipline primarily in rural IESM's and is focussed on Spartan ethics and women's empowerment. It is headed up by Lt.Genl (Retd) G.S.Grewal - Armoured Corps and Maj Gen(Retd) APS Chauhan - Corps of Engineers. Hence to my limited mind the organisation seems to be one which mirrors IAC's own systems, approach and values .. such as anti-tobacco, anti-alcohol etc.. What say you?

2) I personally find the points made by Lt. Gen GS Grewal to be very apt and definitely NOT "trash". We should really introspect if we are all just another bunch of lazy soft arm-chair Internet "warriors".  I know that I am certainly not such a one - what about you?

3)  I fully reciprocate your concluding sentiments that we shed the dead weights to  have the India of our dreams to live in and enjoy.

4) Your points about Nehru, Gandhi, and Sardar Patel are quite hackneyed by now. In the age of Sonia-raj such arguments serve no purpose and only distract us from our objectives.

5) The statement in favour of 1 billion Hindus is specious. This has been arrived at in a dishonest way by legislating that everyone who is NOT a Christian, Muslim, Jew or Parsi is automatically a Hindu. Gen Grewal is correct, there is no such animal as a Hindu - Hindus are only artefacts of the British raj.  By this dubious definition was Lord Raavan any less of a Hindu than Lord Ram? Babubahi's query is really to be paraphrased as -  should we not expel all Muslims, Christians, Jews and Parsis etc. from India.

PS:  Mark Tully and Rafiq Zakaria to buttress one's arguments ???

Sarbajit

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

Sainik Sangh is no person but definitely a person is the author of this trash. Of course the present idea of India may not have existed during pre-british times but the culture, the shared bond had always been there from practically time immemorial. Differences were there too. Isn't each individual different from one another? But does that take away our common identity as a human being? Definitely not.

Here are a few quotes relevant for consideration:

"The genius of Hinduism, the very reason it has survived so long, is that it does not stand up and fight. It changes and adapts and modernises and absorbs–that is the scientific and proper way of going about it. I believe that Hinduism may actually prove to be the religion of this millennium, because it can adapt itself to change".-Mark Tully

"Finally, I am sometimes flabbergasted at the fact that Indians –Hindus, sorry, as most of this country's intelligentsia is Hindu – seem to love me so much, considering the fact that in my heydays, I considerably ran down the 850 million Hindus of this country, one billion worldwide. I have repented today: I do profoundly believe that India needs to be able to say with pride, "Yes, our civilisation has a Hindu base to it."-Mark Tully

" Had it not been for the Secular temper of a large number of Hindus and the broad Humanitarianism which is the kernel of Hinduism, the extermination of Indian Muslims would have been easily carried out"- Rafiq Zakharia.

Coming to Nehru, let me harp that he is the 1st communalist of free India. It was his hunger for power and pelf that he covered by his communal statement that the Hindus will not like Jinnah being made the 1st PM of undivided India! It was he who blackmailed Gandhiji to prevail on Sardar Patel who would have become the 1st PM democratically. It was he who refused to accept Gandhij's suggestion of disbanding congress after independence so that its fair name was not misused by individuals. Worse, he had most deceitfully gone on to misuse even the surname of the Father of the Nation! The list can go on but suffice to say that the foundations of the current problem ridden state was laid by Nehru and Nehru alone. We all know when the foundation is weak the super structure can never be stable or reliable.

Yes, your question, what have people who have come after Nehru done to correct course, is relevant. Yes, it is those rumblings of change you are hearing now. After all we are yet to get over the trappings of devil worship.

Another issue that I find mentioned and deserves a reply is that of the bulk of hindus being menial servants etc. I think it is such a silly observation that really does not deserve a reply except that it leads to some more related issues. Take any establishment and show me any one of them which is top heavy. How many General Managers do the Ambanis have in their factories and how many menial workers? The caste system! Is caste system the only difference that is material and objectionable? Just because we have a name for such a difference also everybody harps on it and uses it as a stick to beat every hindu with. How many sects and subsects are there in xtainity? In islam? Is every xtian/muslim well off, even in their countries of origin? And now, in less than 70 years of so called independence and democracy where are we with respect to these 'evils' like caste , untouchability etc? Isn't it true that we have graduated from untouchability to unsightabilty? And haven't we replaced the earlier caste system with a new one- the nehru family, the others in government, the corporate mercenaries and the rest?

And sorry, the britishers have not left their estate for safe keeping. Whether it was Gandhiji's non-violent movement or the not so peaceful tactics of Bhagat Singh, Subhash Chandra Bose etc, the fact is that they were forced to leave. Again, unfortunately for us, the person who took over the reins of power happened to be the worst choice for a newly liberated nation raring to go. Anyhow we are shedding the dead weights and hope sooner than later we will have the India of our dreams to live in and enjoy.

regards n bw

ravi

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Sainik Sangh <gs@sainiksangh.org> wrote:

WHAT PIPE DREAMING BY EITHER PAID AGENTS OUT FOR MISCHIEF OR SIMPLY  DUMB INTELLECTUALS  OR  UNOCCUPIED KEYBOARD LOVERS AND  HAVE  NO CONSTRUCTIVE MIND OR JUST DAY DREAMERS

FIRST WHEN WAS THERE EVER A 'HINDU '  NATION IN HUMAN HISTORY? THERE WAS A MAURYAN EMPIRE , MARATHA NATION , RAJPUT  KINGDOMS BUT YET NO NATION, THE MOGHUL EMPIRE  AND NO MORE  OF COURSE THE CHRISTIAN BRITISH EMPIRE . THE BULK OF WHAT ARE CALLED HINDUS WERE JUST  MENIAL SERVANTS , UNTOUCHABLES , PETTY TRADERS , WORKERS, FARMERS  , BOOK KEEPERS , JEWELERS , REST LOOTERS MARAUDERS ETC  AND TEMPLE PRIESTS . NOW HAVING BEEN CHRISTENED INTO WESTERN STYLE DEMOCRACY WHAT GREAT ENGINE OF POWER AND WISDOM  HAVE HINDUS BECOME? WHEN TWO HINDUS  ARE NOT SIMILAR  , NOR LOOK ALIKE , NOR SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE  NOR TRUST EACH OTHER, NOR  HAVE ANY STAMP OF THEIR OWN- HAVE NO LANGUAGE THE MAIN DISTINCTION OF A NATION –NO LEADER ( DON'T SAY THAT TILAKDHARI MODI OR TAGODIA ARE LEADERS) NO FLAG ! SO I DO NOT KNOW TO WHAT SPECIS OF HUMANS  YOU ARE REFERING TO? THE ONLY THOUGHT ONE COULD HAVE OF THIS NATURE WAS IN THE MONARCHY OF NEPAL THAT WAS A HINDU NATION THE LAST ONE .

NEXT YOU CANNOT RUN THIS NATION WHICH IS 80% HINDUS HOW CAN YLOU RUN A 100% ONE?

ANDS WHO MADE ALL THE MESS YOU ARE SO FED UP WITH IF NOGT ONLY HINDUS ?   WASN'T GANDHI A HINDU, NEHRU TOO, SHASHTRI TOO, ATAL BIHARI TOO ETC ETC .

WHY DO YOU KEEP BLAMING NEHRU HE IS DEAD WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER HIM?

AND WHAT IS THIS GIMMICK INDIA RESISTS RESISTS WHAT   ?

 A  PEOPLE USED TO BEING SLAVES WILL REMAIN SO HOWEVER  COSMETIC CHANGES THEY MAY ACQUIRE UNLESS THEY OVERTHROW THEIR MASTER . THE TRUTH IS IF THE MASTER HANDS OVER THE KEYS OF HIS ESTATE FOR SAFE KEEPING AND HE MAKES A RETREAT THAT DLOESNT CHANGE THE SLAVE ! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SUFFERING FROM WHICH MAKES   HINDUS A SUBMISSIVE AND EVASSIVE CONGREGATION WITH LITTLE  MAKINGS OF A NATION!

A  NATIONALIST            

 

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