ALL of us are Discussing a recent Notification on APPEAL PROCESS and Not on Rule 14 inserted . At this juncture I do not wish to discuss insertion of rule 14 or the efforts which i made that it should be resinded or removed and how our Great Learned Freinds subverted our approaches Etc ., Presently they are recorded history. I will open the Discussion and fight at an appropriate Time
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Wed, 9/11/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Reply: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, "vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in" <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 9 November, 2011, 7:44 PM
Dear Vikram & oters, Rule 14 of Karnataka RTI rules itself is subversion of Democracy & none of us could view it in that perspective. It exists today & information is refused on that ground. Read this, There is also implied relation of Master & servants between the People & the Government (State as defined in Art 12 of the constitution of Indai)in Indian Democracy. Hence, every Government functionary from President, Governor, Prime Minister, Cabinet of ministers to an attender at Village Panchayt as well as functionaries of judiciary including Chief Justice of Supreme Court of India & High Courts are all Public Servants. This is reiterated in section 21 of Indian Penal Code 1860, Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & in states where there is Lokayukta, under The Lokayukta Act. This is an inherent, inalienable, axiomatic, fundamental & essential relation between People & Government in Indian Democracy. Hence, the accountability of Stte to people is the most impotant aspect of Democracy. Rule 14 denies it. How do you say we are capable of mangaing RTI Act in Karnataka? In fact our lack of vigilence has rendered RTI Act a metre farce! WEDS
From: Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 15:59
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
| Mr Guptha Ji , The Rules are for appeal--- APPEAL -- APPEAL only and nothing less nor more , why do you want to confuse all . We In Karnataka are Capable and equipped to Differenciate Section 18 from 19 and if at all a silly clerk /Case worker or even a Undersecretary get himself emboldened to Confuse we have our own methodology already in Vouge (by way of a Seprate Checklist) to counter such Silly and Filibustours Interpretation. However, I do agree with Several of our freinds with thier Curiosity as also the right to know the Generation of this notification and when the ACT is So explicit in this Matter. I also wish to inform all that the other concerns of Sitting time of the IC's/Sticking on to continious Manadamus etc are other matters to be sorted out seperatly . Some of our Freinds get over excited and enthusiastic because there certainly is a Gap in the Checks & Balances which were in Vouge but Failed because of certain Userpers and their Ego's N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Wed, 9/11/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 9 November, 2011, 2:00 PM
There is a need to panic. If we do not receive the reply to RTI application, applicant has a right to go to the Commission directly in complaint u.s. 18. How that option can be snacthed without due process of law. Other grounds to approach the Commission are enumerated sub sections (a) to (f) of section 18.
There is no time limit to go to Commission in complaint case while in appeal, the limitation is of 90 days.
In complaint, the penal provisions are more stringenent than in appeal.
I would like Shri Sarabjit Roy to be categorical about his thinking on these points.
From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
I agree with Sarbajit and Vinita, this pertains only to appeal process. Bhaskar Prabhu Mahiti Adhikar Manch On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think there's anything to get panicky - it only says that first you should go to the appellate authority. my two bits cheers and warm rgds vinita Vinita Deshmukh Senior Journalist 98230 36663 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: The amended rules are perfectly ok and only concern 2nd appeals u/s 19(3). This has no bearing whatsover on complaints filed u/s 18.
Sarbajit
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