Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Why every "active" member of this group is a moron

Really good interchange of ideas here. D chinese calender was a bit of a let down.
That is where we need these forums to understand the logistics n shun d rest.
Regards.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:

Neti Neti Neti( no,no,no), is  part of ancient Indian philosophy to resolve an issue. The idea was to keep discarding one-by-one alternatives,or nuances there in,till the most acceptableto the majority emerged.

spm

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

the optimum holistic strategy is to expose the illegality of the ad-hoc procedures
being followed and ensure that it doesnt happen again.

In the Law Ministry no junior officer was prepare to affix his name to the notfn,
which is why it was issued by the Secretary personally

Sarbajit

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for kind response.

Yes,divergence of opinion is great sign of vibrant democracy.

Whats the holistic strategy that WOULD DEFINITELY work?

In problem-solution science NOT respondind to the problem is also one of the alternatives. Is that your Best choice currently?

Or NETI  NETI NETI is the response?

spm

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Firstly I disagree that we need a LokPal as is being proposed.

Secondly, There is as yet no official procedure for anyone
other than those 5 members of the public to be involved
at any stage.

I have no intention of going on hunger strike or drafting a Bill of
my own (or wasting my time).. I would gladly review any
effort by anyone who takes up your offer.

Sarbajit

On Apr 11, 11:58 am, Sant Mathur <santmat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbjitji and other Members,
> I'm endeavouring to put up my version of the Bill under holistic
> anti-corruption philosophy,as part of omnibus ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS
> process,something that has been done by be in various capacities for long.
> We'll now better concentrate on offering a TRULY workable Bill that would
> pass muster with people holding diverse and even conflicting opinions.Very
> convincing line of arguments,buttressed with stats/facts,collected with due
> diligence,will help achieve the aim.Working passionately and in highly
> focussed manner lets all
> JUS DO IT
> and DO IT SUCCESSFULLY AND TIMELY.
> Wouldn't we better  collaborate  as a an interested smaller group and
> present the Draft to the Forum for discussion and then finalisation as the
> Forum's contribution?
> Maybe everyone doesn't have great experience in drafti=ng a legislation but
> some sort of support could surely be extended.
>   The interested members may kindly liaise with me through mail or
> telephonically.
> 919841282324

> santmat...@gmail.com (already known through this mail itself)

> We'll, I believe, now onwards, use our combined energies in constructiuve /
> positive manner only.
> Its true,let me assure everyone, that our combined effort and NOT what has
> so far, passed on as "alternative drafts" will be creating HISTORY.I only
> wish to reiterate the need to avoid internal dissension on trivial and
> irrelevant issues please.
>                      Lets create and be a part of LASTING HISTORY.
>                              Time meter has already begun.
> S P Mathur
> IPS DGP retd
>

> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:14 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Abhijit
>
> > My email was not meant for you. Obviously we dont want our
> > non-"activist" members to respond to chainmail. The recent spate of
> > chainmail to this group circulated by motivated activists and the
> > subsequent discussion being a good example.
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:35 am, Abhijit Mehta <abhi...@abhijitmehta.com> wrote:
> > > Really !!!
> > > Now respond to chain emails?
> > > P.S: If i am going to be without by not forwarding the chain email.I must
> > have done something right.
> > > Regards
>
> > > Abhijit Mehta
> > > The Best Is Yet To Come
> > > God Bless
>
> > > On 11-Apr-2011, at 7:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
> > > > Dear Members
>
> > > > Precisely 24 hours ago, our very learned member Mr. Utpal Sen sent the
> > email below.
> > > > As desired by him many member have forwarded the email, we have tracked
> > at least 7 members who forwarded this email from our group's website - and
> > there must be many more who did the same from their email package.
>
> > > > Personally I feel amazed that our hardcore RTI activists members (the
> > brainiest species on the face of this planet) did not immediately disabuse
> > Mr Sen or call him a lunatic or inform him that he should stop listening to
> > his Chinese brainwashers and use instead our glorious Shastric calendars
> > where the same "phenomena" occurs about once in 7 years - the next phenomena
> > taking place in July 2016.
>
> > > > Sarbajit
>
> > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:10 AM, utpal sen <tap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear All.
>
> > > > July 2011 Calendar
>
> > > > Don't want to mess up my feng shui!
>
> > > > This year, July has 5 Fridays, 5 Saturdays and 5 Sundays. This happens
> > > > once every 823 years. This is called money bags. So, forward this to
> > > > your friends and money will arrive within 4 days. Based on Chinese
> > > > Feng Shui the one who does not forward 20 People..... will be without
> > > > money.  Not taking any chance !!!
>
> > > > July 2011
>
> > > > Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> > > >          1 2
> > > > 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
> > > > 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
> > > > 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
> > > > 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
> > > > 31
>
> > > > On 4/9/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Dear Mathre
>
> > > > > From the facts before you, the best you could conclude was that I
> > have
> > > > > removed AT LEAST ONE MInister.
>
> > > > > (I have actually got rid of 2).  I got rid of both of them in under 2
> > > > > months.
>
> > > > > On your point about the 42 year delay in Parliament, ask yourself
> > > > > simply 1 question.
>
> > > > > In 1972 A Congress party Law Minister Shanti Bhushan piloted the
> > > > > Lokpal Bill and failed.
> > > > > Today 42 years later the same corrupt Congress through their  73 year
> > > > > old brain dead ventriloquist dummy expects the pubic to believe that
> > > > > the same Shanti Bhsuihan is the one to draft the Bill.? This is all
> > > > > stage managed and it is a sad reflection on the brainwashed citizenry
> > > > > of this country who will swallow any garbage given to them as
> > > > > tranquilisers to keep them quiet.
>
> > > > > Sarbajit
>
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Mathre Rangarajan <
> > ranga...@yahoo.com>
> >  > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Dear Sarbjit Roy,
>
> > > > >> I fully agree and command you that you have been able to get rid of
> > ONE
> > > > >> currupt minister - What about others? It is known every minister
> > including
> > > > >> Chief Mister is currupt (especially so in Karnataka). We need a law
> > to get
> > > > >> rid of all currupt with out needing to wage a war in each and every
> > case.
> > > > >> Unfortunately there is absolutely no deterrent what so ever - the
> > currupt
> > > > >> boldly say you may go ahead and prosecute (if you can), it takes a
> > decade
> > > > >> or
> > > > >> more to punish the guilty that too with a paltry fine of few rupees
> > or a
> > > > >> small sentence and all the ill gotton wealth is safely with them to
> > enjoy
> > > > >> pepetually.
>
> > > > >> Secondly you said that Sri Anna Hazary's movement is illigal and
> > > > >> unconstitutionnal and he is blackmailing - Parliament is there to
> > make law
> > > > >> -
> > > > >> So why is it taking that your Parleament to even consider the law
> > for 42
> > > > >> years (it is refusing to consider as every parlimentarian is against
> > it),
> > > > >> and if this movement were not there it would take another 42 years
> > or more
> > > > >> to consider such a law.
>
> > > > >> God help India.
>
> > > > >> mathre rangarajan