Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc

Amen to that,Dr Sharma.
WEDS,I am not the only one here!Online is as good a place to put our heads
together,initially!Let's just do it.I imagine we have to continue the
movement as we are currently AND also spread the message to the grassroot
level.We need an all-India army for this IAC already has a base in all
states,I imagine.So let the 14%begin and increase the percentage through
education.
Regards
Urvi

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From: "Dr. Jagnarain Sharma" <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:38 PM
To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india,
CM of Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc

> Dear WEDS & all
> A lot of debate has been initiated by you and Urvi, which
> has relevence in the situation prevailing in our country.
> If you see it is victory of might over the letter of law or
> rather it is mockery of common man facing threats.
> Let us pray for better understanding be prevailed amongst
> those 14% who need to take care for the 86% lot.
> With best regards
> Dr JN Sharma
> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>
>
> On 4/21/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Dear Ms. Singh & others,
>> Endorsed. Any concrete plans or means to reach the end? Estimation of
>> situation to assess the strength, weakness, opportunities & threats is
>> not
>> cynicism. It is a preliminary step by any strategiest.
>>
>> Am I right?
>>
>> WEDS
>>
>> From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
>> To: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>;
>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com; Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>;
>> Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>; bimal.khemani@gmail.com;
>> raja
>> bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>; Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>;
>> Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in; urvashi sharma
>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>; virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com>;
>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com; Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com>; Nutan
>> Thakur <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>> <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011, 17:07
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>
>> Aah!Such cynicism!To raise the stakes of the country collectively,we have
>> to
>> lower the stakes of each one of us --contradiction in terms ,you say?Make
>> it
>> a co-operative effort.For everyone to feel like genuine stakeholders they
>> must FEEL that they stand to gain.
>> Regards
>> Urvi
>>
>>
>> From: Gopalkrishnan iyer
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:58 PM
>> To: Urvi Sukul Singh ; rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com ; Trivendra ;
>> Bhaskar Prabhu ; bimal.khemani@gmail.com ; raja bunch ; Abhimanyu ; Manoj
>> Pai ; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in ; urvashi sharma ; virender johar ;
>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com ; Amitabh Thakur ; Nutan Thakur ; Thomas
>> Kochery - 9360645772
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>
>> I think it is even less than the 10% referred who appears to be
>> concerned.
>> And I strongly feel that a part of the 14%, powers that be, you have
>> referred is running our country, these people need no information because
>> the authority work for them! A democracy for the 14%, by 14% of 14% !!
>>
>> --- On Thu, 21/4/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>Subject: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>To: "Urvi Sukul Singh" <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>,
>>> "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Trivendra" <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu"
>>> <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>, "bimal.khemani@gmail.com"
>>> <bimal.khemani@gmail.com>, "raja bunch" <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>,
>>> "Abhimanyu" <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>, "Manoj Pai"
>>> <manojpai@yahoo.com>, "vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in"
>>> <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>, "urvashi sharma"
>>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>, "virender johar"
>>> <virender.johar@gmail.com>,
>>> "dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com" <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>, "Amitabh
>>> Thakur" <amitabhth@yahoo.com>, "Nutan Thakur"
>>> <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>,
>>> "Thomas Kochery - 9360645772" <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>>>Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 2:50 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Ms. Singh & others,
>>>
>>>As there was no awareness among people of India of their rights, the
>>> elected government functioned as unbirdled horses, behaving as they were
>>> monarchs in true sense. Although irreparable damage has been done, a
>>> concerted coordinated effort by all organisations all over India may
>>> achieve some result. However, I am sceptical of it turning into a mass
>>> movement as people say(I was not born then) it was during independence
>>> struggle led by Noble Soul (Mahatma) M.K.Gandhi. At that time White
>>> Skinned man was common enemy for all. Today we are a devided house.
>>> Priorities are very many & varied. We do not have any punitive or
>>> penaltative means to contain these ulawfulness or violation of laws,
>>> provisions of Constitution of India by Constitutional functionaries.
>>> Even
>>> the proposed Lokpal is going to be another farce just as information
>>> Commissions/ners. With only 10% of Indian population concerned over
>>> these
>>> aspects 76% struggling to eke out living & for
>> rest 14% who are so rich that nothing matters except money it may be a
>> battle lost before it is fought.
>>>
>>>WEDS
>>>From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
>>>To: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>;
>>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>Cc: Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>; Bhaskar Prabhu
>>> <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>; bimal.khemani@gmail.com; raja bunch
>>> <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>; Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>; Manoj
>>> Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in; urvashi sharma
>>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>; virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com>;
>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com; Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com>;
>>> Nutan
>>> Thakur <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>>> <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, 8 April 2011, 22:40
>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>
>>>Ours is a socialist state.I have skimmed thru the article on the public
>>> trust doctrine.I have frequently written letters to the editor of at
>>> least
>>> 2 dailies quite often on the State's abandonment of its duty to the
>>> public(very often I think they don't get printed).We all have to work
>>> together already too much damage is done.We have to work together.Do
>>> what
>>> we can.Divide up duties amongst ourselves.
>>>Regards
>>>Urvi
>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:54 PM
>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>Cc: Trivendra ; Bhaskar Prabhu ; bimal.khemani@gmail.com ; raja bunch ;
>>> Abhimanyu ; Manoj Pai ; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in ;
>>> usukulsingh@hotmail.com ; urvashi sharma ; virender johar ;
>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com ; Karmayog.org ; Amitabh Thakur ; Nutan
>>> Thakur ; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>Dear All,
>>>
>>>Some excerpts from an article received unsolicited. It is attached.
>>>Please
>>> spare time to read it albeit it is 18 pages but very informative.
>>>
>>>Art.51 A of The Constitution of India lays a Fundamental Duty on every
>>> citizen as follows:
>>> It shall be the duty of every citizen of India—(a) to abide by the
>>> Constitution……(i) to safeguard public property and to abjure violence;
>>>
>>>The doctrine enjoins upon the Government to protect the resources for the
>>> enjoyment of the general public rather than to permit their use for
>>> private ownership or commercial purposes.
>>>
>>>The sovereign {The State} cannot, therefore, transfer public trust
>>> properties to a private party if the grant would interfere with the
>>> public
>>> interest.
>>> Under the doctrine of Public Trust, various land acquisitions by State &
>>> allocation of it to private parties can be challenged not only by
>>> invoking Art 51 A. of The Constitution of India but also this Doctrine,
>>> imputing The State for breach of Public Trust, defrauding Public, acting
>>> as land mafia or playing into their hands, corruption, ineffective
>>> management of natural resources (land is a natural resource)etc.,9.
>>> Art. 39of The Constitution of India. 39. The State shall, in particular,
>>> direct its policy towards securing—
>>>
>>>(a) that the citizens, men and women equally, have the right to an
>>>adequate
>>> means of livelihood; (Highway deprives right OF ADEQUATE means of
>>> livelihood for MANY)
>>>
>>>(b) that the ownership and control of the material resources of the
>>> community are so distributed as best to subserve the common good; (THERE
>>> ARE AMPLE EXAMPLE OF STATE ACTING IN CONTRARY TO THIS)
>>>
>>>(c) that the operation of the economic system does not result in the
>>> concentration of wealth and means of production to the common detriment;
>>> (THERE ARE AMPLE EXAMPLE OF STATE ACTING IN CONTRARY TO THIS)
>>>
>>>(d) that there is equal pay for equal work for both men and women;
>>>
>>>(e) that the health and strength of workers, men and women, and the
>>>tender
>>> age of children are not abused and that citizens are not forced by
>>> economic necessity to enter avocations unsuited to their age or
>>> strength;
>>>
>>>[(f) that children are given opportunities and facilities to develop in a
>>> healthy manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity and that
>>> childhood
>>> and youth are protected against exploitation and against moral and
>>> material abandonment.]
>>>
>>>39A. The State shall secure that the operation of the legal system
>>>promotes
>>> justice, on a basis of equal opportunity, and shall, in particular,
>>> provide free legal aid, by suitable legislation or schemes or in any
>>> other
>>> way, to ensure that opportunities for securing justice are not denied to
>>> any citizen by reason of economic or other disabilities.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>WEDS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>
>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011, 16:46
>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>
>>>Sir,
>>>Allotment of plots & granting other monetary awards is the rubbish
>>>decision
>>> of Governments. The players have not done anything for the country.
>>> Whatever they have achieved is for their personal gains only. And they
>>> have won the cup utilising the natural resources of the country only.
>>>
>>>Remember Abhinav bindra got crores for show of his shooting skills.
>>>Compare
>>> with what a soldier get when he lays his life by practicing the same
>>> skills in strict real conditions. That is why almost on every half year
>>> we
>>> read in daily news papers that our defence forces lack this much post of
>>> able officers despite plenty of unemployment in the country.
>>>
>>>Summarily speaking the monetary gains to players in comparision to actual
>>> heros is much - much disproportionate.
>>>
>>>I personally disagree with govt. decision and urge all able persons to
>>> realise from this angle too.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Trivendra --- On Thu, 7/4/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>> <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>Subject: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com"
>>>><rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>>>>Cc: "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
>>>>Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 3:51 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>It is a matter of pride that Indian Cricket team won world cup. Has
>>>>anyone
>>>> given thought Wherefrom President of India, CMs of Delhi, Karnataka,
>>>> Mumbai Jharkhand, Union Railway Minister etc., derive the empowerment
>>>> or
>>>> authority to squander public funds to benefit private Individuals by
>>>> granting Rs. 1 crore & plots/flats etc to cricketers when 76% of Indian
>>>> population subsist by earning Rs 25 per day? What is the benefit these
>>>> cricket players have given to general public? Why stash their pockets
>>>> when they are already billionaires?
>>>>
>>>>Why not file a PIL just as some Pakistanis have filed for awarding Rs. 5
>>>> lac per cricketer there?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>WEDS
>>>>
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