Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc

THANKS DEAR URVI
DR JN SHARMA

On 4/21/11, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Amen to that,Dr Sharma.
> WEDS,I am not the only one here!Online is as good a place to put our heads
> together,initially!Let's just do it.I imagine we have to continue the
> movement as we are currently AND also spread the message to the grassroot
> level.We need an all-India army for this IAC already has a base in all
> states,I imagine.So let the 14%begin and increase the percentage through
> education.
> Regards
> Urvi
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dr. Jagnarain Sharma" <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:38 PM
> To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india,
> CM of Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>
>> Dear WEDS & all
>> A lot of debate has been initiated by you and Urvi, which
>> has relevence in the situation prevailing in our country.
>> If you see it is victory of might over the letter of law or
>> rather it is mockery of common man facing threats.
>> Let us pray for better understanding be prevailed amongst
>> those 14% who need to take care for the 86% lot.
>> With best regards
>> Dr JN Sharma
>> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>
>>
>> On 4/21/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Dear Ms. Singh & others,
>>> Endorsed. Any concrete plans or means to reach the end? Estimation of
>>> situation to assess the strength, weakness, opportunities & threats is
>>> not
>>> cynicism. It is a preliminary step by any strategiest.
>>>
>>> Am I right?
>>>
>>> WEDS
>>>
>>> From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
>>> To: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>;
>>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com; Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>;
>>> Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>; bimal.khemani@gmail.com;
>>> raja
>>> bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>; Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>;
>>> Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in; urvashi sharma
>>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>; virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com>;
>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com; Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com>; Nutan
>>> Thakur <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>>> <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011, 17:07
>>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>
>>> Aah!Such cynicism!To raise the stakes of the country collectively,we have
>>>
>>> to
>>> lower the stakes of each one of us --contradiction in terms ,you say?Make
>>>
>>> it
>>> a co-operative effort.For everyone to feel like genuine stakeholders they
>>> must FEEL that they stand to gain.
>>> Regards
>>> Urvi
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Gopalkrishnan iyer
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:58 PM
>>> To: Urvi Sukul Singh ; rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com ; Trivendra ;
>>> Bhaskar Prabhu ; bimal.khemani@gmail.com ; raja bunch ; Abhimanyu ; Manoj
>>> Pai ; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in ; urvashi sharma ; virender johar ;
>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com ; Amitabh Thakur ; Nutan Thakur ; Thomas
>>> Kochery - 9360645772
>>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>
>>> I think it is even less than the 10% referred who appears to be
>>> concerned.
>>> And I strongly feel that a part of the 14%, powers that be, you have
>>> referred is running our country, these people need no information because
>>> the authority work for them! A democracy for the 14%, by 14% of 14% !!
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 21/4/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>Subject: [rti4empowerment] Reply: Wherefrom President of india, CM of
>>>> Delhi, Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>To: "Urvi Sukul Singh" <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>,
>>>> "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> "Trivendra" <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu"
>>>> <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>, "bimal.khemani@gmail.com"
>>>> <bimal.khemani@gmail.com>, "raja bunch" <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>,
>>>> "Abhimanyu" <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>, "Manoj Pai"
>>>> <manojpai@yahoo.com>, "vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in"
>>>> <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>, "urvashi sharma"
>>>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>, "virender johar"
>>>> <virender.johar@gmail.com>,
>>>> "dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com" <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>, "Amitabh
>>>> Thakur" <amitabhth@yahoo.com>, "Nutan Thakur"
>>>> <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>,
>>>> "Thomas Kochery - 9360645772" <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>>>>Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 2:50 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Ms. Singh & others,
>>>>
>>>>As there was no awareness among people of India of their rights, the
>>>> elected government functioned as unbirdled horses, behaving as they were
>>>> monarchs in true sense. Although irreparable damage has been done, a
>>>> concerted coordinated effort by all organisations all over India may
>>>> achieve some result. However, I am sceptical of it turning into a mass
>>>> movement as people say(I was not born then) it was during independence
>>>> struggle led by Noble Soul (Mahatma) M.K.Gandhi. At that time White
>>>> Skinned man was common enemy for all. Today we are a devided house.
>>>> Priorities are very many & varied. We do not have any punitive or
>>>> penaltative means to contain these ulawfulness or violation of laws,
>>>> provisions of Constitution of India by Constitutional functionaries.
>>>> Even
>>>> the proposed Lokpal is going to be another farce just as information
>>>> Commissions/ners. With only 10% of Indian population concerned over
>>>> these
>>>> aspects 76% struggling to eke out living & for
>>> rest 14% who are so rich that nothing matters except money it may be a
>>> battle lost before it is fought.
>>>>
>>>>WEDS
>>>>From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
>>>>To: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>;
>>>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>>Cc: Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>; Bhaskar Prabhu
>>>> <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>; bimal.khemani@gmail.com; raja bunch
>>>> <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>; Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>; Manoj
>>>> Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in; urvashi sharma
>>>> <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com>; virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com>;
>>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com; Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com>;
>>>> Nutan
>>>> Thakur <nutanthakurlko@gmail.com>; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>>>> <thomasksa@gmail.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, 8 April 2011, 22:40
>>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>
>>>>Ours is a socialist state.I have skimmed thru the article on the public
>>>> trust doctrine.I have frequently written letters to the editor of at
>>>> least
>>>> 2 dailies quite often on the State's abandonment of its duty to the
>>>> public(very often I think they don't get printed).We all have to work
>>>> together already too much damage is done.We have to work together.Do
>>>> what
>>>> we can.Divide up duties amongst ourselves.
>>>>Regards
>>>>Urvi
>>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:54 PM
>>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>>Cc: Trivendra ; Bhaskar Prabhu ; bimal.khemani@gmail.com ; raja bunch ;
>>>> Abhimanyu ; Manoj Pai ; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in ;
>>>> usukulsingh@hotmail.com ; urvashi sharma ; virender johar ;
>>>> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com ; Karmayog.org ; Amitabh Thakur ; Nutan
>>>> Thakur ; Thomas Kochery - 9360645772
>>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>Some excerpts from an article received unsolicited. It is attached.
>>>>Please
>>>> spare time to read it albeit it is 18 pages but very informative.
>>>>
>>>>Art.51 A of The Constitution of India lays a Fundamental Duty on every
>>>> citizen as follows:
>>>> It shall be the duty of every citizen of India—(a) to abide by the
>>>> Constitution……(i) to safeguard public property and to abjure violence;
>>>>
>>>>The doctrine enjoins upon the Government to protect the resources for the
>>>> enjoyment of the general public rather than to permit their use for
>>>> private ownership or commercial purposes.
>>>>
>>>>The sovereign {The State} cannot, therefore, transfer public trust
>>>> properties to a private party if the grant would interfere with the
>>>> public
>>>> interest.
>>>> Under the doctrine of Public Trust, various land acquisitions by State &
>>>> allocation of it to private parties can be challenged not only by
>>>> invoking Art 51 A. of The Constitution of India but also this Doctrine,
>>>> imputing The State for breach of Public Trust, defrauding Public, acting
>>>> as land mafia or playing into their hands, corruption, ineffective
>>>> management of natural resources (land is a natural resource)etc.,9.
>>>> Art. 39of The Constitution of India. 39. The State shall, in particular,
>>>> direct its policy towards securing—
>>>>
>>>>(a) that the citizens, men and women equally, have the right to an
>>>>adequate
>>>> means of livelihood; (Highway deprives right OF ADEQUATE means of
>>>> livelihood for MANY)
>>>>
>>>>(b) that the ownership and control of the material resources of the
>>>> community are so distributed as best to subserve the common good; (THERE
>>>> ARE AMPLE EXAMPLE OF STATE ACTING IN CONTRARY TO THIS)
>>>>
>>>>(c) that the operation of the economic system does not result in the
>>>> concentration of wealth and means of production to the common detriment;
>>>> (THERE ARE AMPLE EXAMPLE OF STATE ACTING IN CONTRARY TO THIS)
>>>>
>>>>(d) that there is equal pay for equal work for both men and women;
>>>>
>>>>(e) that the health and strength of workers, men and women, and the
>>>>tender
>>>> age of children are not abused and that citizens are not forced by
>>>> economic necessity to enter avocations unsuited to their age or
>>>> strength;
>>>>
>>>>[(f) that children are given opportunities and facilities to develop in a
>>>> healthy manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity and that
>>>> childhood
>>>> and youth are protected against exploitation and against moral and
>>>> material abandonment.]
>>>>
>>>>39A. The State shall secure that the operation of the legal system
>>>>promotes
>>>> justice, on a basis of equal opportunity, and shall, in particular,
>>>> provide free legal aid, by suitable legislation or schemes or in any
>>>> other
>>>> way, to ensure that opportunities for securing justice are not denied to
>>>> any citizen by reason of economic or other disabilities.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>WEDS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>
>>>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011, 16:46
>>>>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>Allotment of plots & granting other monetary awards is the rubbish
>>>>decision
>>>> of Governments. The players have not done anything for the country.
>>>> Whatever they have achieved is for their personal gains only. And they
>>>> have won the cup utilising the natural resources of the country only.
>>>>
>>>>Remember Abhinav bindra got crores for show of his shooting skills.
>>>>Compare
>>>> with what a soldier get when he lays his life by practicing the same
>>>> skills in strict real conditions. That is why almost on every half year
>>>> we
>>>> read in daily news papers that our defence forces lack this much post of
>>>> able officers despite plenty of unemployment in the country.
>>>>
>>>>Summarily speaking the monetary gains to players in comparision to actual
>>>> heros is much - much disproportionate.
>>>>
>>>>I personally disagree with govt. decision and urge all able persons to
>>>> realise from this angle too.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Trivendra --- On Thu, 7/4/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>>> <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>Subject: [rti4empowerment] Wherefrom President of india, CM of Delhi,
>>>>> Maharashtra, Jharkhand, Railway Minister, CM of Karnataka etc
>>>>>To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com"
>>>>><rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>Cc: "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
>>>>>Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 3:51 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a matter of pride that Indian Cricket team won world cup. Has
>>>>>anyone
>>>>> given thought Wherefrom President of India, CMs of Delhi, Karnataka,
>>>>> Mumbai Jharkhand, Union Railway Minister etc., derive the empowerment
>>>>> or
>>>>> authority to squander public funds to benefit private Individuals by
>>>>> granting Rs. 1 crore & plots/flats etc to cricketers when 76% of Indian
>>>>> population subsist by earning Rs 25 per day? What is the benefit these
>>>>> cricket players have given to general public? Why stash their pockets
>>>>> when they are already billionaires?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why not file a PIL just as some Pakistanis have filed for awarding Rs. 5
>>>>> lac per cricketer there?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>WEDS
>>>>>
>>
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