Manmohan
These are good thoughts for introspection but Manmohan overly charged with emotions rightly too . I am sure many in this majority Hindu landmass must have pondered similarly since Delhi was sacked in 1192 and failed to reverse the course; instead got deeper into subservience to any odd and sundry too . In fact the Hindu identity is identified with submission and opportunism not only by reputation but testimony ! To any social scientist the weakness of it is endemic in its centrality of the individual !It is an escapist and evasive way of life .Hindu would want someone else to do his job for him! Study how this affliction was rectified by Ashok IN WHOM WE HAVE THE ANSWER . But we drop him by the way side in our daily chores ! or take the Gita it has the answers but we reject these unable to qualify . Just take the relevant tenets of Gita and make out a chart to test how many if not all are violated by Hindus We cannot become a State or a modern nation by espousing a wish list based on an indefinable and failed identity !All this talk of Vedas is sheer diversion with an ulterior aim. You have read history we were never A Hindu nation! The word Hindu never existed prior to 7th Century innovated by Arabs and taken over by Greeks ! It’s of Christian usage Chandrgupta was not a Hindu. We have thousands of manuscripts and none speaks of Hindu ! HISTORICALLY our problems are a creation of the priestly class ! It is the temple versus the State conflict that disarmed the people . No fault of the invaders ! Tell me one instance in human history where a weak could weld a nation and did not attract a stronger adversary to aggression! It is simply a battle of readiness ! No Gods specially speechless ones as ours who can be manipulated by wealth !The life to our deities which the priest was assigned to tend and enliven as it were with mystical powers came from monarchs ! Just like it did in Greek and Roman polytheism . Our last example was the monarchy of Nepal . Perhaps a better example is the monarchy of THAILAND where much of what was essence of our polytheism is still retained with good and for good !The King is the Commander in Chief and not a silly politician planted through devious manipulations !Now you cannot cite one example in modern history where religion was the basis of making a nation least a weak and porous one without codes ! We have to look to a different answer to achieve your dream not by reinforcing failures ! Let’s not bluff and deceive ourselves with myopic vision .Who are we accusing of failures and collapse of virtues if not one camp which carries the placard Hindu blaming the other carrying the placard of Secularism but still Hindu !The Hindu has innumerous faces ! Hinduism is defunct because it does not have an inbuilt military component as Islam has ! IN OUR POLYTHEIRSM TOO THIS WAS PROVIDED BY MONARCHS . Islam was overrun by the mullah and the faith became notoriously anarchist an antipathy to welding a modern state . But where Islam was freed of the mullah the best example Turkey it led to welding a nation. Mullah, pandit , padre granthi etc are the bane of human society . So where is the answer? In a socio economic formula NOT Hinduatva ! We don’t want to be ruled by money in garb of fraudulent Gods ! How can a progressive person even think of yogic teachers, sooth Sayers and tooth paste manufactures giving Stately light of governance ! Only stupid flock to these imposters Read how GERMANY BECAME A POWER –SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY –LEARNING –PHYSICAL FITNESS CLEANLINESS –PRECISION IN DOING THINGS NOT SELF GRATIFICATION, LOVE FOR TRUTH VIBRANT YOUTH ORDER AND DISCIPLINE GERMAN NOT CHRISTIAN PRIDE !
HOW ASHOK BECAME THE WORLDS BEST EMPEROR WITH A MIGHTY EMPIRE WHERE 6 ENGLANDS COULD BE FIT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY ! AND BY SHOWING THE BRAHMIN WHERE HIS WRIT MUST STOP – DHARMA –EXACTLY WHAT HE APELT CODES FOR CITIZENS AS IN GITA –DUTY TRUTH AND LOYALTY – NOT SELF ! If we were to judge Gen VK Singh on tenets of Gita he would SALL BY THE WAY SIDE AS HE HAS ! If he set out to mend the health of his institution ( which threw him up) that was a pledge he cannot turn round and take to improving his own health a volte face ! This is taking advantage of the moment with an eye of profits- a Hindu PRACTICE to my mind proscribed in the Gita and by Ashok’s tenets
Lets come down against any movement that spells subterfuge in pursuit of brazen power through rabble from streets fed on fuel of ignorance and lies – and doles worst bringing RAM too onto the street and then abandoning him! . Look for a nationalist route ! If you have nationalism Mr Modi and his mascot Dr Tagodia WOULD HAVE TO SERVE A YEAR ATLEAST IN LINE WITH MEN TO QUALIFY FOR A SEAT IN THE LOK SABHA . Up to you to think of other designs of national service and relax the criteria . Profiteering by big business and privatization of democracy would have to cease . Loot by religious dens and self styled GODS would have to cease . There would be no need for seeking peace through their advise as society would then be peaceful! Prosperity would have to be distributed according to value of work No wealth by merely amassing by manipulations on cell phones ! No pawning of sovereignty to keep others happy ! And so on Then Jeltly cannot make money fighting law suits on behalf of tobacco companies in court for giving cancer to the poor! Poor Jetly! And so with Mulayam Singh too and all the Congress mascots ! DIGVIJAYA SINGH WOULD HAVE TO BE SENT TO A REFORMATORY TO LEARTN WHAT IS PRIDE !
Sorry I am in a hurry . Mull over it . Just returned from our GC meeting . Am going to Mumbai for 10 days but will be on net !
THOUGHTS
MANMOHAN 13 feb is the world radio day ! A day of science Pity we have no event for this even PAK HAS ! We are busy otherwise any way!
Best 73s
From: manmohan kumar [mailto:mohan26@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:48 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; kptuli@yahoo.com; rajiv_upadhyay2003@yahoo.com; Sainik sangh
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
Dear Gen Chauhan,
Came across this by Preeti Nair which is quite an eyeopener for me;
Have we ever thought why are we Indians the most accommodating, least aggressive & perhaps the most defensive lot ?? Umpteen times we've been attacked, invaded & conquered, be it at the hands of Mughals, the Portuguese, the British or the likes of the Ghaznis. Everyone has annihilated our nation mercilessly, looted us of all or wealth & have ruled over us bringing our nation down on its knees from once being the most flourishing country, the so called "Golden Bird"of ancient times. Why have we succumbed to these invasions most of the times, not retaliating the way we should have done! Except for a few warriors like Prithviraj Chouhan, Shivaji, Porus or Tipu Sultan, who fought bravely, we have mostly succumbed to the invaders, when we had the power to be a Prithvi, Shivaji or a Tipu, individually or collectively. Even now, with neighboring countries attacking us in different ways & spreading their vicious tentacles, always ready to grab us in their jaws, we overlook it & going a step further, we extend an olive leaf to them, very well knowing that they will be back-biting us one day or the other....
Are we a nation of cowards ?? No.....not at all. But then where has all the valor gone from us? In our mind somewhere, deep down, there is an unknown fear.... which is genetic within us, an in-born anxiety....But why, what could be the reason behind this??.....While reading Mahabharata sometime ago, this thought suddenly struck my mind....was it the battle of Mahabharata that wiped out all the warriors & their families completely from this land of warriors?? Is it the fear of another such blood-shed that makes us defensive rather than fighting back ? Yes, I think, perhaps... that could be the reason. The gruesome battle of Mahabharata has left an indelible mark on the psyche of the Indians - born & even unborn, for many more thousand years or maybe forever....The warriors have all been decimated from this land & what is left behind is the fear which is entwined within all of us unknowingly ; which has with time, become an inseparable & distinct trait of ours. And we have to live with this inborn trait whether we like it or not because that is what makes the Indians of the post Mahabharata age !! The violent streaks that we are witnessing in today's India may also be perhaps an out-pour of that suppressed fear buried with us by birth. The reason behind is that, its always the weak who display such a behavior. Most often it is the physically weak who gets targeted and attacked by a mentally weak oppressor. The oppressor does so to prove his "strength" and more than proving a point to others, it's a point that they want to drive home within, to satisfy their own hollow & spineless selves !! So although Lord Krishna played a key role in the onset of battle of Mahabharata to administer justice for the Pancha- Pandavas, but that destruction resulted in the uprooting of valour & positive aggression from an entire Indian race ; & in turn sowed the seed of eternal fear, timidity & defensive Indians for generations to come.......
With Warm Wishes,
Manmohan Kumar
From: gs@sainiksangh.org
To: kptuli@yahoo.com; rajiv_upadhyay2003@yahoo.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:49:51 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
WHAT PIPE DREAMING BY EITHER PAID AGENTS OUT FOR MISCHIEF OR SIMPLY DUMB INTELLECTUALS OR UNOCCUPIED KEYBOARD LOVERS AND HAVE NO CONSTRUCTIVE MIND OR JUST DAY DREAMERS
FIRST WHEN WAS THERE EVER A ‘HINDU ’ NATION IN HUMAN HISTORY? THERE WAS A MAURYAN EMPIRE , MARATHA NATION , RAJPUT KINGDOMS BUT YET NO NATION, THE MOGHUL EMPIRE AND NO MORE OF COURSE THE CHRISTIAN BRITISH EMPIRE . THE BULK OF WHAT ARE CALLED HINDUS WERE JUST MENIAL SERVANTS , UNTOUCHABLES , PETTY TRADERS , WORKERS, FARMERS , BOOK KEEPERS , JEWELERS , REST LOOTERS MARAUDERS ETC AND TEMPLE PRIESTS . NOW HAVING BEEN CHRISTENED INTO WESTERN STYLE DEMOCRACY WHAT GREAT ENGINE OF POWER AND WISDOM HAVE HINDUS BECOME? WHEN TWO HINDUS ARE NOT SIMILAR , NOR LOOK ALIKE , NOR SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE NOR TRUST EACH OTHER, NOR HAVE ANY STAMP OF THEIR OWN- HAVE NO LANGUAGE THE MAIN DISTINCTION OF A NATION –NO LEADER ( DON’T SAY THAT TILAKDHARI MODI OR TAGODIA ARE LEADERS) NO FLAG ! SO I DO NOT KNOW TO WHAT SPECIS OF HUMANS YOU ARE REFERING TO? THE ONLY THOUGHT ONE COULD HAVE OF THIS NATURE WAS IN THE MONARCHY OF NEPAL THAT WAS A HINDU NATION THE LAST ONE .
NEXT YOU CANNOT RUN THIS NATION WHICH IS 80% HINDUS HOW CAN YLOU RUN A 100% ONE?
ANDS WHO MADE ALL THE MESS YOU ARE SO FED UP WITH IF NOGT ONLY HINDUS ? WASN’T GANDHI A HINDU, NEHRU TOO, SHASHTRI TOO, ATAL BIHARI TOO ETC ETC .
WHY DO YOU KEEP BLAMING NEHRU HE IS DEAD WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER HIM?
AND WHAT IS THIS GIMMICK INDIA RESISTS RESISTS WHAT ?
A PEOPLE USED TO BEING SLAVES WILL REMAIN SO HOWEVER COSMETIC CHANGES THEY MAY ACQUIRE UNLESS THEY OVERTHROW THEIR MASTER . THE TRUTH IS IF THE MASTER HANDS OVER THE KEYS OF HIS ESTATE FOR SAFE KEEPING AND HE MAKES A RETREAT THAT DLOESNT CHANGE THE SLAVE ! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SUFFERING FROM WHICH MAKES HINDUS A SUBMISSIVE AND EVASSIVE CONGREGATION WITH LITTLE MAKINGS OF A NATION!
A NATIONALIST
From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of krishan tuli
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:59 AM
To: rajiv upadhyay; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
BECAUSE OF LACK OF VISION ON PART OF NEHRU WE ARE STUCH WITH LIFE-LONG NATIONAL PROBLEMS LIKE PARTITION OF COUNTRY, LIFE-LONG KASHMIR ISSUE, LIFE-LONG CHINA ENMITY, LACK OF NATIONAL LANGUAGE, PERMANENT ESTABLSHED OCCUPATION OF GOVT CONTROL BY NEHRU FAMILY ETC ETC ETC
From: rajiv upadhyay <rajiv_upadhyay2003@yahoo.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
Sir ,
Why not actively and democratically seek an amendment in constitution . It may materialise slowly but certainly.
From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:26 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
Dear All, At times I wonder as to why Hindus not create and setup
altogather a new Nation called HINDUSTAN somewhere in this vast planet
Earth? With warm regards,
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