RE: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"

Dt.5/2/13
 
There has been a strong movement under the banner of ,India Against corruption. Today it stands divided and the govt. has gone back on its promises and the Parliament on its assurance on Lokpal Bill.
2.The main fight has been on political corruption i.e. politicians indulging in corrupt practices insquandering away the nations natural resources like 2g or coal. But very little attention has been given to beauracratic corruption of the civil servants. Mr nandy is perhaps alluding to both.
3.
Also very little attention has been given to the sourceof funds i.e. the business class.
who pay the bribe both to politicians and civil servants.
In the whole scheme of things the common man,s corruption i.e. payment to a policeman for traffic offences, to municipal officials for getting work done is small change. Bu
t corruption can also be stopped only when the senior officials can become honest. 
JKGaur 

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:51:10 +0530
From: veluassociates@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"

I agree.A strong movement with all right thinking people who are genuinely interested in the country and her people alone could arrest this down slide.Will our netas see the writing on the wall , do some soul searching and act?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com> wrote:

Socialists countries where maximum power is with the central government, political netas, bureaucrats, businessmen and even people tend to be corrupt. India falls in this category. 
Partly socialist and liberal counties where Local governments are strong, effective and accounatble, corruption is the least. Many Eurropean countries, Australia etc fall in this category.  
Where vigilant citizens actively participate in politics as the noblest Endavour, corruption is the least and where citizens maintain stunned silence in politics and allow criminals, mafias and unsocial elements to get freely into politics, corruption is vert high in such countries.
To a large extent fault lies with th citizens of India for the wide spread corruption in India. 
Solution:
All the social activists like Kejriwal, Swami Ramdev, Anna Hazare, Lok Satta, Freedom Team of India (FTI) should form a united front. Also in Congress, BJP etc there are many right thinking people, they will leave Congress/BJP  and join this United Front.
 
Regards
Prem Sabhlok

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:17:27 -0800
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BabuBhai:

The whole country is corrupt -more or less. Many people tell me "Bhaang Saare Kuyen Me Ghul Gayee Hain". They just gave up on cleaning the well.

 

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From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"

Try telling this desirable ideal to corrupt criminal crook shameless
scoundrel UPA Govt Prime Minister Dr Manmohan singh. And, see the
response of bloody rascal.

On 2/4/13, Soumo Cha <soumo.chatterjee@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rather than classify people as caste based to provide them with certain
> support systems that they very strongly need, the practical way forward
> would be to establish a education system in every nook and corner of the
> country where quality education will be free and compulsive. The Govt could
> incentivise the really poor people to study, give them more than what these
> children could earn if put to work by the parents, so that education
> becomes more lucrative than child labour.
>
> All underprivilaged people of any caste or creed or geographical area in
> the country should have access to quality education. Second layer should be
> providing QUALITY technical education and vocational education to all who
> desires.
>
> ALL further education and employment should be then on purely and strictly
> merit basis. This will ensure the real gems to be sorted and filtered ahead
> for different roles in our national economy.
>
> Reservations could not change the vote banks in the past 64 years, it will
> not change anyones life even after. Only the corrupt find means to make
> money and indulge in more child labour in todays scenario.
>
> Hope those who should, are listening. Wake up today so that you may not
> repent tomorrow.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Amit Karande
> <amit_karande@hotmail.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> On one hand you say there is no scientific data to support the of
>> performance and delinquency of the classes and on the other hand you name
>> certain politicians. Terming backward castes as most corrupt without any
>> data is nothing but discrimination on the grounds only of caste, which is
>> prohibited by the Constitution. In fact the words OBC ought not to have
>> been used as the creamy layer is excuded and the politicians named cannot
>> be said as belonging to OBC as such. The class of currupt is all together
>> a
>> different class which has no connection with caste. This prejudice
>> against
>> caste is dangerous and was least expected from a retired judge who has
>> served on various posts.
>>
>> "The tragedy is that these profound modifications in society through out
>> the Country were not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining
>> Data of performance and delinquency of these privileged Castes and
>> classes.
>> So, even if reality stares in the face of the Nation, there is no
>> scientific data to support a view whether or not these privileged Castes
>> and Classes had been performing well or otherwise. To the names specified
>> in your mail, a number of others can be added; some of them have come to
>> the notice of Supreme Court like Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav."
>>
>> I hope the younger generation gets the light.
>>
>> Adv. Amit A. Karande.
>> Bombay High Court.
>> 102, 1st Floor, Ruby Mahal,
>> 30-D, Cawasji Patel Street,
>> Opp. Yazdani Bakery,
>> Nr. Hutatma Chowk,
>> Fort, Mumbai - 01.
>> 022 - 22021020.
>> 9833517000.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: justicekn@gmail.com
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:57:44 +0530
>> Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>>
>>  That is the irony: Truth leads to persecution; many great men suffered
>> because they were truthful, Mahatma Gandhi the most glaring example.
>> There
>> is a tragedy. During the times of freedom movement, considerations of
>> caste
>> were thrown aside so much so that a sizeable section of Students dropped
>> their 'surname' while filling the High School Examination Form. In Courts
>> too, Caste was dropped from the names of witnesses or parties. But in
>> course of time, Caste considerations raised their head again, and the
>> surnames reappeared.  Mandal Commission identified more than 3000
>> backward
>> castes; the tribe continues to grow and there is no let up in demands for
>> more Castes. Standards of Merit were compromised and Examination-pass
>> marks
>> or competition eligibility marks were studiously diluted. The tragedy is
>> that these profound modifications in society through out the Country were
>> not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining Data of
>> performance
>> and delinquency of these privileged Castes and classes. So, even if
>> reality
>> stares in the face of the Nation, there is no scientific data to support
>> a
>> view whether or not these privileged Castes and Classes had been
>> performing
>> well or otherwise. To the names specified in your mail, a number of
>> others
>> can be added; some of them have come to the notice of Supreme Court like
>> Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav.
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently, there is a disconnect between the Fundamental  Right of Free
>> Speech in Article 19 and the onerous provisions of the Act meant to
>> provide
>> special protection to Scheduled Caste persons by punishing others.
>> Perhaps
>> a popular demand can be made to institute a suitable Commission to probe
>> into the realities of effects of special privileges granted to SC/ST/OBC
>> so
>> that  just and proper law may be framed to ensure dignity not only to
>> SC/ST/OBC but also to common man- human dignity is a basic feature of the
>> Constitution of India which Preamble clearly emphasises.
>>
>>
>>
>>            May God show light to all concerned.
>>
>>                                      KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
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>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *DR MC GEORGE
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 7:43 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>>
>>
>>
>>              Hello friends
>>
>>                Ashis Nandy has come to his own conclusion after the
>> scale
>> of corruption by Mayavathy, Lalu, Karunanidhi, and others who succeeded
>> to
>> the positions of power in the name of community or castes. Can anybody
>> claim that they have been following clean rule or they have tried to
>> improve the lot of their community/castes?. They utilised the
>> oppurtunities
>> to explore new and modern styles of corrupt practices for their own
>> personnel or family interests. A comparison to the extent of corruption
>> between communitiy and castes combination may not be authentic so much so
>> it may be an exageration to put one is more corrupt than the other.
>> Anyway
>> the fact remains that our rulers are all following the path of corruption
>> irrespective of their community or caste.
>>
>> Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 26/1/13, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Saturday, 26 January, 2013, 10:39 PM
>>
>> My question is - Is the police going to investigate whether the statement
>> was made or whether the statement is true.  Can a person by cited for
>> making a true verifiable statement about a section of society even if it
>> is
>> derogatory.
>>
>>
>>
>> Virender
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Sarbajit Roy
>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc1926.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb%40gmail.com      >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/ashish-nandy-s-comments-on-sc/sts-create-furore-at-jaipur-lit-fest_825132.html      
>>
>> Jaipur/New Delhi: Noted author Ashis Nandy on Saturday kicked up a storm
>> with his comments that people from OBC, SC and ST communities were the
>> "most corrupt", remarks that came under all round attack.
>>
>> Hours after Nandy made the remarks at the ongoing Jaipur Literature
>> Festival, an FIR was lodged with the police against him in Jaipur under
>> Section 506 IPC (criminal intimidation) and the Scheduled Castes and
>> Scheduled Tribes(Prevention of Atrocities) Act. The FIR was filed by
>> Rajpal
>> Meena, Chairperson of the SC/ST Rajasthan Manch and the matter will be
>> investigated, police said.
>>
>> "It is a fact that most of the corrupt come from OBCs and Scheduled
>> Castes
>> and now increasingly the Scheduled Tribes," he said participating in a
>> session at the Festival.
>>
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