Things and people are not that bad but the system needs complete change.System designed to rule a slave country continued even after getting independence.Whole system was earlier designed with an assumption that people are not faithful,corrupt and not trustworthy.More than politicians,the bureaucracy needs complete over haul and this is not so easy.Bureaucrats are intelligent to tackle all type of politicians and their grooming is same as before we got independence. Rules of business in parliament and secretariat have not changed. System lacks accountability and law of the land is not enforced .Country needs a benevolent dictator for some time as Singapore could have. Army rule in most countries failed miserably as in Burma, Pakistan and many other countries.i am optimistic that India will have that desired popular benevolent leader some day.Future is indeed quite uncertain but unrest amongst people is evident.Out of all this a leader might emerge.
Devise a system that is democratic at grassroots level.Anna ji has good approach to understand problems but I doubt that he can influence masses to bring desired change in system.Increasing unrest might get us a desired leader in near future. I personally know a few in the Anna group but dot find any to bring the desired change and following.May God. Help our great Nation
R.N Kapoor
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All thing considered and then most of you have reached to the same analysis that almost 99%
politicians, bureaucrats and so called savior of India, have become nothing less than a crook.
Yet, rest 1% do not want to unite together and that is bothering me.
Almost six months ago, I have started an idea to "Replace each & every MP with an Independent
who belongs to Patriotic Veterans Group". To accomplish the task I sent an open letter to Retd. Gen. V. K. Singh to please lead the nation's Patriots and reach the Parliament to take back the country from octopusngrip of Nehruvians. I do always thank my beloved God that He did inspire Gen. Singh to contact me in Michigan (USA) and we did meet a month latter in New Jersey to commit to each other to "Reclaim India. As you all know, he did call the nation to join his effort on Jan. 30th from
Patna Gandhi Maidan. I was listening to him and observing the sentiments of people in audience
that day. A huge crowd of more than one Lakh raised their hands and people did raise their hand in support.
I did also hearShri Anna & Kiran Bedi besides other crusaders that day. However, I do not think
association of Anna, Kiran Bedi and other social activists will bring fruitful result. I still believe
in my original idea to start a movement ONLY with a Willing, Capable & Patriot individual from
the group of Retired Military Personnel. In my opinion, the "Aam-Aadmi" will not support & vote
without too much of manipulation to a civilian candidate that is appointed by a established party.
May I request each one of you to please give your sincere opinion on this issue and guide me for
amicable future actions?
Dr. Kumar Arun
(camping in Bihar)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:17:27 -0800
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"BabuBhai:The whole country is corrupt -more or less. Many people tell me "Bhaang Saare Kuyen Me Ghul Gayee Hain". They just gave up on cleaning the well.With best wishes for your health and happiness, and regards, Sincerely, DSThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
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Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"
Try telling this desirable ideal to corrupt criminal crook shameless
scoundrel UPA Govt Prime Minister Dr Manmohan singh. And, see the
response of bloody rascal.
On 2/4/13, Soumo Cha <soumo.chatterjee@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rather than classify people as caste based to provide them with certain
> support systems that they very strongly need, the practical way forward
> would be to establish a education system in every nook and corner of the
> country where quality education will be free and compulsive. The Govt could
> incentivise the really poor people to study, give them more than what these
> children could earn if put to work by the parents, so that education
> becomes more lucrative than child labour.
>
> All underprivilaged people of any caste or creed or geographical area in
> the country should have access to quality education. Second layer should be
> providing QUALITY technical education and vocational education to all who
> desires.
>
> ALL further education and employment should be then on purely and strictly
> merit basis. This will ensure the real gems to be sorted and filtered ahead
> for different roles in our national economy.
>
> Reservations could not change the vote banks in the past 64 years, it will
> not change anyones life even after. Only the corrupt find means to make
> money and indulge in more child labour in todays scenario.
>
> Hope those who should, are listening. Wake up today so that you may not
> repent tomorrow.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Amit Karande
> <amit_karande@hotmail.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> On one hand you say there is no scientific data to support the of
>> performance and delinquency of the classes and on the other hand you name
>> certain politicians. Terming backward castes as most corrupt without any
>> data is nothing but discrimination on the grounds only of caste, which is
>> prohibited by the Constitution. In fact the words OBC ought not to have
>> been used as the creamy layer is excuded and the politicians named cannot
>> be said as belonging to OBC as such. The class of currupt is all together
>> a
>> different class which has no connection with caste. This prejudice
>> against
>> caste is dangerous and was least expected from a retired judge who has
>> served on various posts.
>>
>> "The tragedy is that these profound modifications in society through out
>> the Country were not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining
>> Data of performance and delinquency of these privileged Castes and
>> classes.
>> So, even if reality stares in the face of the Nation, there is no
>> scientific data to support a view whether or not these privileged Castes
>> and Classes had been performing well or otherwise. To the names specified
>> in your mail, a number of others can be added; some of them have come to
>> the notice of Supreme Court like Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav."
>>
>> I hope the younger generation gets the light.
>>
>> Adv. Amit A. Karande.
>> Bombay High Court.
>> 102, 1st Floor, Ruby Mahal,
>> 30-D, Cawasji Patel Street,
>> Opp. Yazdani Bakery,
>> Nr. Hutatma Chowk,
>> Fort, Mumbai - 01.
>> 022 - 22021020.
>> 9833517000.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: justicekn@gmail.com
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:57:44 +0530
>> Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>>
>> That is the irony: Truth leads to persecution; many great men suffered
>> because they were truthful, Mahatma Gandhi the most glaring example.
>> There
>> is a tragedy. During the times of freedom movement, considerations of
>> caste
>> were thrown aside so much so that a sizeable section of Students dropped
>> their 'surname' while filling the High School Examination Form. In Courts
>> too, Caste was dropped from the names of witnesses or parties. But in
>> course of time, Caste considerations raised their head again, and the
>> surnames reappeared. Mandal Commission identified more than 3000
>> backward
>> castes; the tribe continues to grow and there is no let up in demands for
>> more Castes. Standards of Merit were compromised and Examination-pass
>> marks
>> or competition eligibility marks were studiously diluted. The tragedy is
>> that these profound modifications in society through out the Country were
>> not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining Data of
>> performance
>> and delinquency of these privileged Castes and classes. So, even if
>> reality
>> stares in the face of the Nation, there is no scientific data to support
>> a
>> view whether or not these privileged Castes and Classes had been
>> performing
>> well or otherwise. To the names specified in your mail, a number of
>> others
>> can be added; some of them have come to the notice of Supreme Court like
>> Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav.
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently, there is a disconnect between the Fundamental Right of Free
>> Speech in Article 19 and the onerous provisions of the Act meant to
>> provide
>> special protection to Scheduled Caste persons by punishing others.
>> Perhaps
>> a popular demand can be made to institute a suitable Commission to probe
>> into the realities of effects of special privileges granted to SC/ST/OBC
>> so
>> that just and proper law may be framed to ensure dignity not only to
>> SC/ST/OBC but also to common man- human dignity is a basic feature of the
>> Constitution of India which Preamble clearly emphasises.
>>
>>
>>
>> May God show light to all concerned.
>>
>> KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *DR MC GEORGE
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 7:43 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> Ashis Nandy has come to his own conclusion after the
>> scale
>> of corruption by Mayavathy, Lalu, Karunanidhi, and others who succeeded
>> to
>> the positions of power in the name of community or castes. Can anybody
>> claim that they have been following clean rule or they have tried to
>> improve the lot of their community/castes?. They utilised the
>> oppurtunities
>> to explore new and modern styles of corrupt practices for their own
>> personnel or family interests. A comparison to the extent of corruption
>> between communitiy and castes combination may not be authentic so much so
>> it may be an exageration to put one is more corrupt than the other.
>> Anyway
>> the fact remains that our rulers are all following the path of corruption
>> irrespective of their community or caste.
>>
>> Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 26/1/13, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST
>> communities most corrupt"
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Saturday, 26 January, 2013, 10:39 PM
>>
>> My question is - Is the police going to investigate whether the statement
>> was made or whether the statement is true. Can a person by cited for
>> making a true verifiable statement about a section of society even if it
>> is
>> derogatory.
>>
>>
>>
>> Virender
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Sarbajit Roy
>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc1926.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/ashish-nandy-s-comments-on-sc/sts-create-furore-at-jaipur-lit-fest_825132.html
>>
>> Jaipur/New Delhi: Noted author Ashis Nandy on Saturday kicked up a storm
>> with his comments that people from OBC, SC and ST communities were the
>> "most corrupt", remarks that came under all round attack.
>>
>> Hours after Nandy made the remarks at the ongoing Jaipur Literature
>> Festival, an FIR was lodged with the police against him in Jaipur under
>> Section 506 IPC (criminal intimidation) and the Scheduled Castes and
>> Scheduled Tribes(Prevention of Atrocities) Act. The FIR was filed by
>> Rajpal
>> Meena, Chairperson of the SC/ST Rajasthan Manch and the matter will be
>> investigated, police said.
>>
>> "It is a fact that most of the corrupt come from OBCs and Scheduled
>> Castes
>> and now increasingly the Scheduled Tribes," he said participating in a
>> session at the Festival.
>>
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