Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Report which can undergo changes is not "information"

Writing in the Capital words means "Shouting", This has to be done sparingly.

Like for example "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" it would emphasis word "dictator" as it is the nature that we must state not the other part... Making Capital letter bold alway provide more weightage to the word like "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" And Cap+Bold+Italics makes a reference to that word only not the entire sentence ""Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR".

Please do not use different colors and prefer black and never use red as it has different denominations.

I hope Mr. Roy will except the statement above without any problems.

Regards,

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:17 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Singh

Please use Capital letters sparingly and/or for EMPHASIS.

Is the report a "record" ? NO !!
Is the report an "official"  document ? NO !!!

So how is it disclosable information within the meaning of 2(f) and
2(i) read together ?

Sarbajit


On Apr 5, 8:11 pm, Vijendra Singh <vijendra5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE IS DEFINITELY A INFORMATION. THE IC CERTAINLY
> COMMITTED WRONG BY DECIDING THAT THE REPORT IS PREMATURE AND THEREFORE DID
> NOT COME IN DEFINITION OF INFORMATION.
> ANY ORDINARY LITERATE PERSON CAN VERY WELL TELL THAT ANY WRITTEN PAPER
> CONSTITUTES THE INFORMATION.
> I DO NOT KNOW WHY AND HOW THE IC IS DELIVERING SUCH ABSURD DECISIONS? AND
> WHY THE GOI. IS PAYING  HANDSOME SALARIES ,PERQUISITES  ETC TO SUCH
>  FOOLISH  IC?
> VIJENDRA SINGH, MEERUT
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, in particular YOU should read the defn of "right to information".
> > Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mr Sarbajit,
>
> >> Your "seasoned and experienced" ex bureaucrat and now IC in the CIC,
> >> needs to read the definitions in Sec 2 of the RTI Act !
>
> >>http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SS_A_2011_001885_M_7986...
>
> >> *The appellant had filed an application dated 22.9.2010 under the RTI Act
> >> *
> >> *seeking copy of the report on integration of UD and PD – issues
> >> relating to interse seniority in Managerial Technical Cadre – with refer
> >> No. CM (HR) C-T-1160*
> >> *dated 14.12.09. The CPIO vide his letter dated 7.10.2010 informed the
> >> appellant*
> >> *that the matter is being examined by the management. It has not been
> >> accepted*
> >> *by the Company till date. Since the report is not accepted by the
> >> Company, it is*
> >> *not an official document of the company. Therefore the report is not
> >> 'information'*
> >> *under section 2(f) of RTI Act, 2005.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> **During the hearing the respondent submits that the Management of FACT*
> >> *constituted a Committee of senior officials to examine and make*
> >> *recommendations for solving the inter-se seniority problems in the
> >> technical*
> >> *cadre in the proposed Udyogmandal Complex set up. The integration of the
> >> *
> >> *Udyogmandal Division and Petrochemical Division is not yet completed.
> >> The*
> >> *recommendation/report of the Committee has not yet been accepted by the*
> >> *Management. It is subject to various changes based on the discussion
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The issue of inter-se seniority in the technical cadre is being
> >> discussed*
> >> *with the Unions. The purpose of the report of the Committee of senior
> >> officials is*
> >> *only to conduct negotiation with the Unions to sort out the issue of
> >> inter-se*
> >> *seniority. In other words, it is a management tool for discussion with
> >> Unions. It*
> >> *the report is released to the Unions, the very purpose of constituting
> >> the*
> >> *Committee is defeated.
>
> >> **Having considered the submissions of the parties the Commission is of*
> >> *the view that the information sought for by the appellant does not fall
> >> within the*
> >> *meaning of 'information' as contained u/s 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005 as
> >> the abovesaid report is subject to various changes based on the discussions
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The requisite information permissible under the RTI Act has been
> >> *
> >> *provided to the appellant by the respondent.
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> RTIwanted
>
> --
> Vijendra Singh
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> Ajanta Colony, garh road,
> Meerut-250004
> UP