[HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation

The only TRUTH is the Mind-Boggling amounts of money to be made in
Arms Deals and the lobbying, bribes, kickbacks and commissions that
are demanded / routine / paid.

For every "winner" in this game there are at least 5 "losers: all with
their axes to grind and with their pet journos and PR agencies in
place.

Frankly, if I was to RESPECT you, I would demand that LIKE ME you
would draft/ file in person in the SC, argue in person in the SC, and
AVOID the media like crazy..

That you people are doing NONE OF THE ABOVE gives me "reason to
believe" that you are either puppets or corrupt (take your pick)

Sarbajit

On Apr 5, 12:57 pm, Devasahayam MG <m...@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> Yes. We know the source and the person and why he did it. This will be
> revealed at the appropriate time. Now please put an end to this charade
> till the truth comes out.
>
> M.G.Devasahayam
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> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1) The motive of the move was posturing by a Lt.General (or two) who
> > thought they should be CoAS instead of Bikram SIngh. It may or may not
> > be coincidental that they are considered to be aligned with V.K.Singh
> > (or vice-versa). That they are still not prepared to give up by
> > instigating this media / PIL tamasha to extend V.K.Singh's tenure is
> > what is TRULY worrying.
>
> > 2)  Your second question is so irrelevant and frankly puerile as to
> > need no reply. Nevertheless I shall answer it - LEAKS LEAKS and MORE
> > INSPIRED LEAKS. Delhi is a city of LEAKS. Journos are LAZY BUGGERS who
> > want everything for FREE.  Any half decent hack posted in Delhi can
> > live a decent life with all the fags, booze and occasional  girls/boys
> > simply by selling in 'raddi' all the PR crap that is home delivered to
> > them
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> > PS: I am sure V.K.Singh's camp would love to know Shekhar Gupta's sources.
>
> > Sarbajit
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> > On 4/5/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Sarbajit,
>
> > > Pl see my comments in red.
>
> > > The real questions are two :-
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> > > (a) What was the motive of the move ?
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> > > (b) How an operational move of the Army troops is known to only Shekhar
> > > Gupta out side of the Army whereas such operational moves are supposed
> > to be
> > > kept secret in the interest of the security of the country ?
>
> > > The answer to the first question has been adequately given by PM, RM,
> > MoD,
> > > Army and all the TV panelists yesterday.
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> > > It is the second question which is the cause of real worry. The move of
> > an
> > > Army unit is just known to only their parent HQs. No other unit and HQ
> > even
> > > in the services knows about such move. This is amazing that Shekhar Gupta
> > > has access to such secret information and that he has authentic sources
> > who
> > > have told him that the political brass and bureaucrats were scared and
> > that
> > > the police were hurriedly asked to put barricades to delay the move of
> > the
> > > unit and that the real intent was to create  a scare in the political
> > class
> > > and MoD.
>
> > > If he had such inputs then he like a loyal citizen first and a very well
> > > known journalist should have sought a meeting with PM/RM and conveyed to
> > > them rather than writing a story about it. In case PM/RM do not act then
> > he
> > > has a full right to write this in the newspaper. Shekhar Gupta needs to
> > > clarify this.
>
> > > I am suggesting that the members of HJ Gp should give their general
> > views as
> > > to whether there needs to be an independent inquiry. To my mind in such
> > > sensitive national interests, no one should get away if it is found that
> > the
> > > story has been planted and not true. If true let the guilty be tried out
> > as
> > > per the law. If planted then also the guilty be tried out as per law.
>
> > > My suggestion is that we should not link this story with any PIL etc. The
> > > public needs to know the truth. Alternatively, Shekhar Gupta can clarify
> > his
> > > position or give the names of the people to the PM/RM. When a citizen who
> > > either harbours  terrorists or hides the information about them can be
> > tried
> > > out in a court, why does Shekhar Gupta not come out with the names as
> > this
> > > is a serious matter no less than a potential treason. He has no excuse
> > that
> > > he wants to protect the identity of the people who have told him about
> > this.
> > > If those people are loyalists they should be rewarded and if traitors
> > they
> > > should be punished. Shekhar Gupta in either case would have done a yeoman
> > > service to the nation by coming out clearer on this story.
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> > > Some time, in the interest of the nation, one does not disclose every
> > thing
> > > to public but here Shekhar Gupta has chosen to go public and thus he
> > needs
> > > to come out with sources of the story for further investigation.
>
> > > With warm regards,
>
> > > Col Mahesh Khera
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> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 8:55 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an
> > > Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
>
> > > Dear Rahul
>
> > > Has anybody, as yet, publicly disagreed or disproved what Shekhar Gupta
> > > wrote ?.
>
> > > Yes, PM, RM, Def Secy, Army and all panelists on national TV have trashed
> > > Shekhar Gupta's suggestion.
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> > > 1) Did the army movements in question take place or not ? Yes. Who
> > ordered
> > > them ? Their authorized formation commanders,
> > > 2) Were the movements curtailed / countermanded ? The troops movement is
> > > kept secret as per the prevailing operational rules. Who countermanded
> > them
> > > ? Only people who need to know are kept informed.
> > > 3) Why does Mr Devashayam HIDE from us that he is one of the
> > > petitioners in the SC now asking for V.K.Singh to "carry on" as Army
> > > Chief ? Will he share with us the Petition that he has filed ? This is
> > > irrelevant to IE story.
> > > 4) Lastly, it is evident that Mr Devashayam knows hardly anything
> > > about how matters are handled in SC. I OTH have been appearing there
> > > (albeit intermittently) for albeit 30 years now, and I can sense that
> > > V.K.Singh had to "withdraw" his petition because he was on legally
> > > weak ground. IMHO as an old soldier he "ran away to fight another
> > > day".Again this is irrelevant to Shekhar Gupta and IE story.
>
> > > We are all committed to the LARGER CAUSE,  its the "running dogs" we
> > > have to be careful of. True and highly appreciate this.
>
> > > Sarbajit
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> > > On 4/5/12, Rahul Kumar <rahulk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Press and the journalists should own for what they write.
>
> > >> They should be brought under the laws for publishing insensitive and
> > >> thrash
> > >> information without confirmation and like any other citizen of India
> > >> charged
> > >> for inciting the public by giving wrong information.
>
> > >> If Rushdie's book is banned and Advani is charged for outrages speech at
> > >> Ram
> > >> Mandir what is there to give immunity to this particular privileged
> > >> citizen
> > >> of India?
>
> > >> rgds
> > >> rahul
>
> > >>>________________________________
> > >>> From: Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com>
> > >>>To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> > >>>Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 6:37 AM
> > >>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an
> > >>> Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
>
> > >>>Dear Mr Sarbajit and friends,
>
> > >>>Shekhar Gupta has taken out a story in IE which suggests that there
> > might
> > >>> have been an intention of an Army coup in the country led by the Army
> > >>> Chief. While, every one very rightly has trashed the story on all
> > >>> national
> > >>> TV channels, there is a need to conduct an impartial investigation into
> > >>> this most diabolical news item unprecedented in the history of free
> > >>> India. The largest democracy of the world can not sit idle and do a
> > cover
> > >>> up just through a couple of debates on national TV channels. Keeping
> > >>> quiet
> > >>> about it would be the greatest dis-service to the nation.
>
> > >>>If the story has any substance then under the relevant laws, the guilty
> > >>> should be promptly punished in an exemplary way. If however, the story
> > is
> > >>> just a concocted one then an exemplary action should be taken against
> > the
> > >>> IE and Shekhar Gupta for sedition under the prevailing laws.
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> > >>>Free press must be respected but that does not mean that one can get
> > away
> > >>> after suggesting some thing which is so explosive that threatens the
> > >>> safety, security, defense, integrity, honor and the very existence of
> > the
> > >>> country.
>
> > >>>I suggest Mr Sarbajit to seek the views of the members of HJ group and
> > if
> > >>> majority wants an independent probe then as a group, we should approach
> > >>> the honorable PM to order an impartial inquiry forthwith.
>
> > >>>With warm regards,
>
> > >>>Col Mahesh Khera