Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Good one first time u have used the correct words n feelings in this case.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Dear Rahul

In 1962 we had Nehru-#1 and his Malyali stooge/RM Krishna Menon
putting down an honest
CoAS and putting their stooge in his place.. Well we lost that war.

Exactly 50 years later we have Nehru-#4 and her Malyali stooge/RM
Anthony putting down the present CoAS and putting their stooge in his
place. Will we lose teh next war ? Certainly.!!! No doubt about it !!!

The fighting fitness of the army now is WORSE than in 1962. China will
walk all over us while all these f***ing Annas, Barkhas, Kejriwals,
Aruna Roys etc. will be wailing away on national TV about petty
corruption.

Shoot a journo / NGO-wallah today ! Why wait till tomorrow.

Sarbajit

On 4/3/12, Rahul Kumar <rahulkb50@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MAY BE THIS WOULD HELP!!!!
>
> This makes an interesting reading. Puts the babus & media in correct
> perspective.
>
>
>
> Gen VK Singh's War on India ? The Lowest common denominator - Babus & Fourth
> Estate..........
>
> It was on a TV show that an ex diplomat spilt the worms from the govt. can.
>  He mentioned that the PMO had commissioned some journalists to release a
> set of six articles to discredit the Chief of the Indian Army. The timings
> would be as dictated.
> The morality of the Fourth Estate was put to test when the skirmish erupted.
>
> They failed.
>
> Ever reader/analyst saw through the canards of unconnected lies that the
> media published. The tone of online polls trying to paint the Chief as a
> Villain added to the conviction that the quality of the Indian media was as
> crass as the Govt. they fed off. The latest battle saw a seemingly
> reconciliatory backing off while the media was left to snipe at the General.
>
> India Today, a magazine that has achieved the lowest levels of journalistic
> ethics had the front page designed like a titillating porn cover. The cover
> page which screamed 'Gen V K Singh's war on India ' was more like an
> Angelina Jollies leg show to entice readers to grab thrash. Another
> ham-fisted operation from an incompetent PMO.
>
> There is a lull in the battle but despite the chaffs to deflect the core
> issues the problem remains. We shall call the gaffes as Attempted
> Deflections (AD).
>
> AD 1: The leak of the letter was deflected to creating a ruckus over the
> source rather than addressing the core issue of lack of preparedness and the
> inability of non-professionals (babus) in the MoD to be able to handle
> matters military. It is now emerging that the leak would have been the
> handiwork of the babus to escalate the differences between the polity and
> the Army.
>
> AD2: Interference by nonprofessionals who do not do, or know their own task
> but want to over step their brief. The Army is only responsible for putting
> forth the qualitative requirements (QR) and carrying out trials of the
> shortlisted hardware. The financials and purchase processes are the
> responsibility of the babus.  In the recent TATRA case the army put forth
> the QR but the onus of involving middlemen and purchasing through a trading
> company is the fault of the babus, so, it was quite surprising the that
> babus of the MoD did not come under the media fire for misappropriation of
> process.
>
> AD3: The General should have acted against the erring officers. In cases
> involving senior military officers the General did the right thing by
> approaching the RM who should have stepped in and taken action. Instead on
> the advice of the Babus who were neck deep in the mire he decided to buy
> time and threw the muck back at the General. The delay assisted the Babus
> get away plans.  It is quite surprising that in the case of of General , the
> RM said that the he was not briefed by the Chief but the next day the CBI
> dropped the charges because they said that some Cabinet Secretary had
> investigated the charges and had given the General a clean chit. Now, how
> come the Army Chief and the RM did not know about this investigation by the
> Cab Secretary and the findings thereof.
>
> AD4: The spat was advertised as one between a) the Govt. and the Army or, b)
> the civilian vs. Army or in the extreme lowdown case of India Today as one
> between the Army and India . The mischief makers were busy stroking the
> embers of discord whilst remaining in the shadows. The truth was that it was
> a standoff between the most incompetent set up of the Indian Govt.
> machinery, the Bureaucracy a.k.a the babus and the Army. The Army had had
> enough of the inept and incompetent meddling of the babus and the standoff
> was the result of this long standing discord. St Anthony failed to recognize
> the core issue and let the matter simmer. Manmohan Singh is now famous for
> his Ostrich stance. The Congress has this Dilbertian strategy to project
> their key players as Mr. Clean while the appropriate title would be Mr.
> Impotence. The bandits operate elsewhere.
>
> The Service HQs should now take the Babus head on. If for 20 years an
> artillery gun has not been purchased another 10 would not matter. Especially
> in a country where the elected representatives of the nation like Lalloo and
> other Members of Parliament are quick to skin the Army Chief without trying
> to ascertain facts. Its another matter that they may not be able to
> comprehend strategic issues. The problem with Services personnel is that
> they feel they are the Guardians of the Nation and must do so at any cost.
> Incorrect - in the present scenario where the people and their
> representatives feel that that the Armed forces are a burden upon them. Keep
> playing ping-pong with the files.
>
> Gen V K Singh should not let his guard down. The Indian babus are known to
> behave like the Pakistani Army. When thrashed they return to get another
> one. As Indians we must thank the likes of Raj Chengappa and Sandeep
> Unnithan for the public display of low moral ethics of the Indian media. It
> is only people like them who help you gauge the standards of our Fourth
> Estate and will help in the comparison of their ethics to that of say a
> Mumbai bar-girl. We should also thank people like TSR Subramaniam who are on
> record saying that it is better to watch cricket instead of discussing such
> matters. Incidentally this man is the prototype of the Indian Civil Services
> – an Ex Cabinet secretary. No wonder Ministers are not able to perform. The
> advice from the civil servants when confronted with a problem must be to sit
> back, relax and watch porn.
>
> The Govt. of India needs urgent de-weeding. A thorough Civil Service Reform
> is the need of the Hour. The IAS is no longer required. The Britishers
> required the ICS as Agent provocateurs as part of its set up in far of India
> . In free India we don't require the Laat Sahibs. Each ministry must have
> its own professional cadre. For core ministries like Defence, Finance, Home
> etc, State cadre civil servants should come on deputation to the centre. The
> IAS is vestigial and defunct and needs to be abolished. India 's greatest
> threat is not from across the Borders but from these illegal satanic
> prodigies of the British Raj.
>
> Gen Singh must keep his powder dry. The wily Babus have retreated wounded
> and must be planning their next perfidious act in the shadows. The Rajs and
> Sandeeps are in business....
>
>
> Your take....
>
> RK
>
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Varghese K George <vkg.george@gmail.com>
>>To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 11:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
>>
>>
>>what nonsense! it is as if only General Singh and you are honest! every
>> other general in the army, the cabinet, and of course the supreme court
>> judges who asked him to take a walk, are all corrupt!! OMG!!! such
>> arrogance and self righteousness of a handful are the real danger to
>> democracy in this country....
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
>>
>>The MoD mess–The Reality
>>>                                          Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS
>>> (Retd)
>>>
>>>Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army
>>> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt
>>> cabal had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by
>>> digging out UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.
>>> Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor
>>> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as
>>> is being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball
>>> back in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion
>>> before us in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual
>>> date of birth of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a
>>> particular date of birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government
>>> of India) in the official service record."
>>>It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally
>>> speaking order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules
>>> that hold School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the
>>> retirement orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now.
>>> Yet MoD has nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the
>>> entire conspiracy and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31
>>> May 2012.
>>>This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got
>>> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on
>>> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is
>>> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter
>>> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including
>>> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal
>>> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!
>>>This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary
>>> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought
>>> with serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have
>>> defended and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and
>>> total sense of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our
>>> neighbouring countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands
>>> tall as a free and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army
>>> is the largest andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a
>>> special status in thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from
>>> the Institution he heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it
>>> is the people who bleed.
>>> Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the
>>> Army Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this
>>> way and thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two
>>> generations, no militarycommander will raise his head. And the message
>>> for military commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity
>>> that will get them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt
>>> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy
>>> in India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.
>>> This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
>>> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
>>> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..
>>
>>
>>--
>>Varghese K George
>>Chief of Bureau (Political)
>>Hindustan Times
>>18-20, Kasturba Gandhi Marg
>>New Delhi - 110 001
>>Mobile: 91-98100-91710
>>
>>
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