Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Please think of the Nation

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

You have clinched the issue. Let's get this implemented through the honorable PM Office by never ending pressure through the potent RTI.

Please expand this to MHA too and include the state home departments also to avoid repetition of unfortunate and shameful 26/11, many train blasts and many Dantewada massacre.

Jai Hind.

 

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Please think of the Nation

So we have finally achieved consensus. If I may state it formally. for
discussion / fine-tuning

"We the members of Humjanenge citizens forum, demand that officers of
the Ministry of Defence should be subject to (and be liable to be
prosecuted under) Military Law in addition to their own service rules
and administrative disciplinary procedures."

Sarbajit

On 4/4/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, Rahul, I agree. Actually, through this great forum, some valuable
> suggestions are coming up to which Mr Sarbajit can draw the attention of the
> honorable PM Office.
>
> Actually, the system would definitely improve and some corrupt IAS and a few
> greedy AF personnel would automatically get booked. The question still
> remains of the political parties looking to fill their coffers. As Mr
> Sarbajit has very rightly said, if IAS officers and AF persons work together
> as an integrated MOD and same goes for an integrated MHA, the netas would
> also think twice before filling their coffers. This is a self correcting
> mechanism. For the largest democracy in the world and the biggest arms
> importer, top it all with fool proof national e-governance, and India has
> the strongest steel frame.
>
> Jai Hind.
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Rahul Kumar <rahulkb50@yahoo.com>
> To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Please think of the Nation
>
>
> Mahesh,
>
> Well said, just can I suggest one more remedy -
>
> All babu's working in MOD at any stage should come under the DSR and AR for
> all disciplinary actions!
> Action can be taken under the Services Law.
>
> Let them also know what is meaning of the word discipline!
>
> rgds
> rahul
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com>
>>To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 8:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Please think of the Nation
>>
>>
>>Dear Mr Sarbajit and friends,
>>
>>
>>India has the following types of hugely responsible top ministers and top
>> babus who have shown to the people their true worth nothing more than
>> selfish people for whom their own false image comes first and country last
>> :-
>>
>>
>>(a) Mr Lallu Prasad - "Desh Roubb se chalta hai", "hatao", sack the Army
>> chief. Mr Lallu does not know that countries run on roubb eventually break
>> up in the end like the erst while Soviet Union whereas those run through
>> wisdom, intelligence and where required roubb prosper. Sack the Army Chief
>> remark is to shoot the messenger who dares to unearth the truth.
>>
>>
>>(b) Mr TSR Subramaniam - compares the safety, security, defense and honor
>> of the country both from within and out side threats with production and
>> sale of tons of fertilizer and chemicals. The safety, security, defense
>> and honor of a nation involves loss of precious lives of soldiers, Para
>> Military Org (PMO) personnel and loyalists to save the lives of the rest
>> of the citizens which to Mr TSR is like procuring and selling  tons of
>> salt and acid through the ministry of fertilizers and chemicals. God help
>> us if we have the senior most IAS officer, ex cabinet secy, having his
>> views like this and wanting to watch cricket when judgement of honorable
>> SC in the case of the serving army chief DoB is being debated on national
>> TV. He has shown what is the true worth of an IAS officer whose views with
>> regard to matters safety, security, defense and honor of the country are
>> no more than namak bazar.  Can we entrust the procurement of weapon
>> systems in the hands
>  of IAS people like Mr TSR ?
>>
>>
>>(c) Ms Renuka - When the most imp topic of defence procurement is being
>> discussed, she wants to cover up the government incompetence by saying
>> that our jawans are best in the world who can give their lives for the
>> nation. What an amazing discovery ?. Even a child knows this. She has
>> shown what the biggest national political party stands for in the  matters
>> defense of the nation, "make the jawans die and the country will be at
>> peace". What a shame.
>>
>>The Remedy
>>
>>
>>(a) Integrate MOD and Armed Forces (AFs) in true letter and spirit. For
>> every two tenures, an IAS person being inducted in the MOD must do one
>> tenure in AFs field formation in the border area where the AFs are
>> fighting the insurgency in jungles, mountains, snow and desert. It would
>> be good for both the AFs and IAS. The AFs get fresh ideas from government
>> perspective due to the experience of the IAS persons and IAS gets insight
>> into AFs functioning.
>>
>>
>>(b) The uniformed men must be posted at all levels in the MOD not only to
>> provide ready insight into specific nuances of the equipment and systems
>> in the procurement issues but also the personnel issues. Better decisions
>> will emerge.
>>
>>
>>(c) If the procurement decision making process is made of by the
>> involvement of the men in uniform who are the actual users, very few such
>> issues will be left to address.
>>
>>
>>(d) Wherever, scandals in defense procurement come up, IAS officers must
>> face similar ruthless punishment as the men in uniform.
>>
>>
>>(e) The same four points above must be followed for the true integration of
>> MHA and the PMOs so that IAS and politicians stop comparing the loss of
>> precious lives to safeguard the rest of the lives of the citizens with
>> chemicals and fertilizers bazar.
>>
>>
>>Dear honorable PM Sir, hope you are listening to this and for once will
>> take the above action and not remain in denial mode.
>>
>>
>>With warm regards,
>>
>>Col Mahesh Khera
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 6:36 AM
>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Please think of the Nation
>>
>>Dear David
>>
>>Thank you for your appreciation of this group's efforts. The apathy
>>and simply "get used to it" approach is
>  frustrating. I want to repeat
>>here what another internet friend has emailed me to today morning
>>about a similar such hopeless / apathetic situation.
>>
>>"I need to inject a strenuous objection to the response "get used to
>>it." which affects me much like the supposed red flag and the bull.  I
>>will stipulate the enormous odds that face whoever will  refuse to
>>"get used to it," but  we had  better remember that just about anyone
>>who has refused to "get used to" hundreds or thousands of hopeless
>>situations  throughout most of human history has faced impossible odds
>>except that in quite a few cases they  turned out not to be
>>impossible. Yes. this is a tough one.  They have all been tough.  The
>>truly hopeless response, however, is only surrender.  II'll stick with
>>Churchill…Never give in, Never give in Never never never NEVER. Losing
>>the fight is only defeat.  Get used
>  to it is surrender."
>>
>>Sarbajit
>>
>>On 4/4/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: david alexander <alex_m_d1952@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Subject: Please think of the Nation
>>> To: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Col Mohan <mdkunnath@gmail.com>, Ravindran P M
>>> <pmravindran@gmail.com>, joseph philip <josephphilip42@yahoo.co.in>,
>>> gajanan <colgaja@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Dear sarabjit,
>>>
>>> it has been since long i have been following the bulletins. thought
>>> should give some view points- of mine.
>>>
>>> Media with hooh-hah reported that our Defence Minister is directing
>>> COAS to speed up the eqpt purchases. will somebody tell him- who is
>>> withholding all the eqpt trial reports and recommendations?
>>>
>>> is it the army who places the purchase orders or is it the babus?
>>> why MOD cannot release a white paper on the pending procurement files
>>> status with clear cut
>  areas of delay & person/ s who caused it?
>>> also what are the effects of not having the same- for the services??
>>>
>>> why & how Gorbachev procurement -so delayed would
>  help the services
>>> when the eqpt would be literally useless in the present environment.
>>>
>>> why eqpt trail / technical assessment reports go missing?
>>> what are the methods these are tracked? is there an identifiable
>>> trail of these available?
>>>
>>> who is DRDO Head to tell of the Performance of the Tatra?
>>> ask for trail reports to be published to back his claim or ask under
>>> RTI for report to be placed in public forum
>>>
>>> why do we take an ex-babu shooting off his mouth  to send COAS on
>>> forced leave? ( this exactly is the problem- the babus think their
>>> opinions are ultimate- and treat the Services as doormat- compared to
>>> Old cabinet secretaties who treated services as a respected one)
>>> why our own earlier / present / future COAS does not call a spade a
>>> spade- and take the nation to confidence- by releasing the pending
>>> status report on
>  procurements- and the effect on the poor serviceman?
>>>
>>> why not send a confidential consolidated report on deficiencies in men
>>> & eqpt existing to MOD and let them have confidential discussion?
>>> why DRDO who has a BIG budget & produces  worthless end products after
>>> decades of  so called research?
>>> ( it is not what we did- but what we didi not that counts)
>>>
>>> why  the so called babus / scientists are not attached to our field
>>> sections and spend a tenure at all the fields- than sitting in comfort
>>> of the ac room and dictate?
>>> has any one including Judiciary thought that giving permanent
>>> commission to ladies does create SERIOUS cascading problems- that MS
>>> would generally post them to peace / soft fields seriously affecting
>>> the peace rotational tenure for all those without GOD FATHERS?
>>> we have become toothless
>>>
>>>
>  let MOD / our MS address the motivation level of a soldier in 1970's
>>> and now and publish the reports generated and place it in parliment-
>>> let us see what solutions the big mouths have?
>>> the problem with Services at many times are- we never unite under any
>>> circumstance- like the babus & politicians when their survival is at
>>> stake- and leave the couragious ones to the wolves.
>>> Let our COAS who started the expose- atleast release more sordid going
>>> on in the MOD- now that they have demolished his Honour and there is
>>> nothing to loose- than the remaining honour- atleast the Services may
>>> remeber him as one who went down fighting!!
>>> why our own services donot enquire internally on  various DGs from
>>> time to time to find any malpractices and met out exemploray
>>> punishments?
>>>
>>> think we have lost out again to the babus- the system is thick
>  skinned
>>> and we cannot keep etrnally banging on closed doors- take the OROP
>>> case itself- Govt has the power to file case after case , petition
>>> after petition- grind down to rubble- and bring to Nought the
>>> services- (Judiciary also toes the line and is a part of it(see the
>>> judgements and its implementations- hurried  when they want it and
>>> slow when they only want to show )
>>>
>>> the MS also should periodically publish OAP levels existing  3-4
>>> decades back and as on date- that should seal the critics mouth once
>>> and for all.a great work being done by you & various team members- but
>>> the moot point is - are we arriving some where?
>>> sorry i took much of your time
>>>
>>> M David Alexander.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 7:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
>>>
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