Tuesday, April 3, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

I see a lot of def persons on ur mailing list, m also sending ur mail to few friends.In fact not many retd def pers use Internet facilities for this kind of activities since not many oldies know the use of computers n neither they r interested.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Sir,

Since I am the Moderator #1 of this group, I have to keep my feelings
and passions (and colourful language) in check.  Old-timers here can
vouch that I have considerably controlled myself nowadays.

Its a crying shame that there is no proper forum for IESM to interact
with "civvies" in a proper / structured / civilised manner. In our own
small way Humjanenge has managed to start a dialogue in a completely
apolitical way. We are sorely lacking more members from Army, Navy and
Air Force for "inter service" coordination on the MoD scandals and
open exposure of the rotten apples in the services. For instance the
huge payouts in the Admiral Gorshkov deal in which a billion USD was
paid from a private account of the Govt into a private account of a
Russian politician. This is an open scandal, every military
correspondent in India knows it, but has even 1 newspaper dared to
publish it.

My appeal - please request your IESM friends (cutting across service
rivalries)  to join our mailing list, alternatively send us their
email IDs.

Sarbajit

On 4/3/12, jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Good one first time u have used the correct words n feelings in this case.
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
>
> Dear Rahul
>
> In 1962 we had Nehru-#1 and his Malyali stooge/RM Krishna Menon
> putting down an honest
> CoAS and putting their stooge in his place.. Well we lost that war.
>
> Exactly 50 years later we have Nehru-#4 and her Malyali stooge/RM
> Anthony putting down the present CoAS and putting their stooge in his
> place. Will we lose teh next war ? Certainly.!!! No doubt about it !!!
>
> The fighting fitness of the army now is WORSE than in 1962. China will
> walk all over us while all these f***ing Annas, Barkhas, Kejriwals,
> Aruna Roys etc. will be wailing away on national TV about petty
> corruption.
>
> Shoot a journo / NGO-wallah today ! Why wait till tomorrow.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 4/3/12, Rahul Kumar <rahulkb50@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> MAY BE THIS WOULD HELP!!!!
>>
>> This makes an interesting reading. Puts the babus & media in correct
>> perspective.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gen VK Singh's War on India ? The Lowest common denominator - Babus &
>> Fourth
>> Estate..........
>>
>> It was on a TV show that an ex diplomat spilt the worms from the govt.
>> can.
>>  He mentioned that the PMO had commissioned some journalists to release a
>> set of six articles to discredit the Chief of the Indian Army. The timings
>> would be as dictated.
>> The morality of the Fourth Estate was put to test when the skirmish
>> erupted.
>>
>> They failed.
>>
>> Ever reader/analyst saw through the canards of unconnected lies that the
>> media published. The tone of online polls trying to paint the Chief as a
>> Villain added to the conviction that the quality of the Indian media was
>> as
>> crass as the Govt. they fed off. The latest battle saw a seemingly
>> reconciliatory backing off while the media was left to snipe at the
>> General.
>>
>> India Today, a magazine that has achieved the lowest levels of
>> journalistic
>> ethics had the front page designed like a titillating porn cover. The
>> cover
>> page which screamed 'Gen V K Singh's war on India ' was more like an
>> Angelina Jollies leg show to entice readers to grab thrash. Another
>> ham-fisted operation from an incompetent PMO.
>>
>> There is a lull in the battle but despite the chaffs to deflect the core
>> issues the problem remains. We shall call the gaffes as Attempted
>> Deflections (AD).
>>
>> AD 1: The leak of the letter was deflected to creating a ruckus over the
>> source rather than addressing the core issue of lack of preparedness and
>> the
>> inability of non-professionals (babus) in the MoD to be able to handle
>> matters military. It is now emerging that the leak would have been the
>> handiwork of the babus to escalate the differences between the polity and
>> the Army.
>>
>> AD2: Interference by nonprofessionals who do not do, or know their own
>> task
>> but want to over step their brief. The Army is only responsible for
>> putting
>> forth the qualitative requirements (QR) and carrying out trials of the
>> shortlisted hardware. The financials and purchase processes are the
>> responsibility of the babus.  In the recent TATRA case the army put forth
>> the QR but the onus of involving middlemen and purchasing through a
>> trading
>> company is the fault of the babus, so, it was quite surprising the that
>> babus of the MoD did not come under the media fire for misappropriation of
>> process.
>>
>> AD3: The General should have acted against the erring officers. In cases
>> involving senior military officers the General did the right thing by
>> approaching the RM who should have stepped in and taken action. Instead on
>> the advice of the Babus who were neck deep in the mire he decided to buy
>> time and threw the muck back at the General. The delay assisted the Babus
>> get away plans.  It is quite surprising that in the case of of General ,
>> the
>> RM said that the he was not briefed by the Chief but the next day the CBI
>> dropped the charges because they said that some Cabinet Secretary had
>> investigated the charges and had given the General a clean chit. Now, how
>> come the Army Chief and the RM did not know about this investigation by
>> the
>> Cab Secretary and the findings thereof.
>>
>> AD4: The spat was advertised as one between a) the Govt. and the Army or,
>> b)
>> the civilian vs. Army or in the extreme lowdown case of India Today as one
>> between the Army and India . The mischief makers were busy stroking the
>> embers of discord whilst remaining in the shadows. The truth was that it
>> was
>> a standoff between the most incompetent set up of the Indian Govt.
>> machinery, the Bureaucracy a.k.a the babus and the Army. The Army had had
>> enough of the inept and incompetent meddling of the babus and the standoff
>> was the result of this long standing discord. St Anthony failed to
>> recognize
>> the core issue and let the matter simmer. Manmohan Singh is now famous for
>> his Ostrich stance. The Congress has this Dilbertian strategy to project
>> their key players as Mr. Clean while the appropriate title would be Mr.
>> Impotence. The bandits operate elsewhere.
>>
>> The Service HQs should now take the Babus head on. If for 20 years an
>> artillery gun has not been purchased another 10 would not matter.
>> Especially
>> in a country where the elected representatives of the nation like Lalloo
>> and
>> other Members of Parliament are quick to skin the Army Chief without
>> trying
>> to ascertain facts. Its another matter that they may not be able to
>> comprehend strategic issues. The problem with Services personnel is that
>> they feel they are the Guardians of the Nation and must do so at any cost.
>> Incorrect - in the present scenario where the people and their
>> representatives feel that that the Armed forces are a burden upon them.
>> Keep
>> playing ping-pong with the files.
>>
>> Gen V K Singh should not let his guard down. The Indian babus are known to
>> behave like the Pakistani Army. When thrashed they return to get another
>> one. As Indians we must thank the likes of Raj Chengappa and Sandeep
>> Unnithan for the public display of low moral ethics of the Indian media.
>> It
>> is only people like them who help you gauge the standards of our Fourth
>> Estate and will help in the comparison of their ethics to that of say a
>> Mumbai bar-girl. We should also thank people like TSR Subramaniam who are
>> on
>> record saying that it is better to watch cricket instead of discussing
>> such
>> matters. Incidentally this man is the prototype of the Indian Civil
>> Services
>> – an Ex Cabinet secretary. No wonder Ministers are not able to perform.
>> The
>> advice from the civil servants when confronted with a problem must be to
>> sit
>> back, relax and watch porn.
>>
>> The Govt. of India needs urgent de-weeding. A thorough Civil Service
>> Reform
>> is the need of the Hour. The IAS is no longer required. The Britishers
>> required the ICS as Agent provocateurs as part of its set up in far of
>> India
>> . In free India we don't require the Laat Sahibs. Each ministry must have
>> its own professional cadre. For core ministries like Defence, Finance,
>> Home
>> etc, State cadre civil servants should come on deputation to the centre.
>> The
>> IAS is vestigial and defunct and needs to be abolished. India 's greatest
>> threat is not from across the Borders but from these illegal satanic
>> prodigies of the British Raj.
>>
>> Gen Singh must keep his powder dry. The wily Babus have retreated wounded
>> and must be planning their next perfidious act in the shadows. The Rajs
>> and
>> Sandeeps are in business....
>>
>>
>> Your take....
>>
>> RK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Varghese K George <vkg.george@gmail.com>
>>>To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 11:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
>>>
>>>
>>>what nonsense! it is as if only General Singh and you are honest! every
>>> other general in the army, the cabinet, and of course the supreme court
>>> judges who asked him to take a walk, are all corrupt!! OMG!!! such
>>> arrogance and self righteousness of a handful are the real danger to
>>> democracy in this country....
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>The MoD mess–The Reality
>>>>                                          Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS
>>>> (Retd)
>>>>
>>>>Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army
>>>> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt
>>>> cabal had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by
>>>> digging out UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.
>>>> Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor
>>>> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as
>>>> is being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball
>>>> back in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion
>>>> before us in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual
>>>> date of birth of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a
>>>> particular date of birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government
>>>> of India) in the official service record."
>>>>It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally
>>>> speaking order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules
>>>> that hold School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the
>>>> retirement orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now.
>>>> Yet MoD has nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the
>>>> entire conspiracy and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31
>>>> May 2012.
>>>>This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got
>>>> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it
>>>> on
>>>> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is
>>>> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter
>>>> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including
>>>> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary
>>>> dismissal
>>>> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!
>>>>This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an
>>>> adversary
>>>> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought
>>>> with serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have
>>>> defended and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and
>>>> total sense of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our
>>>> neighbouring countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands
>>>> tall as a free and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army
>>>> is the largest andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a
>>>> special status in thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished
>>>> from
>>>> the Institution he heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled,
>>>> it
>>>> is the people who bleed.
>>>> Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the
>>>> Army Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this
>>>> way and thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two
>>>> generations, no militarycommander will raise his head. And the message
>>>> for military commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity
>>>> that will get them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt
>>>> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy
>>>> in India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.
>>>> This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
>>>> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
>>>> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Varghese K George
>>>Chief of Bureau (Political)
>>>Hindustan Times
>>>18-20, Kasturba Gandhi Marg
>>>New Delhi - 110 001
>>>Mobile: 91-98100-91710
>>>
>>>
>>>


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