Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc

From Wg Cdr S.D Karnik

I am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot Officer from COD Allahabad

when I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our application withou applying any pressures etc.

I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs. 50,000/- for sale.  In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982

I was asked to name my price for sale.  I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION. I still have the weapon as

my personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my person during sorties on  the offensive missions in 1971 war.

I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.

Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

This type of illegality is not restricted only to the Army. Politicians in various States regularly usurp weapons confiscated from "terrorists".

Here is one such example from Punjab - revealed through RTI:

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2066-guns-terrorists-go-politicians-bureaucrats-punjab.html

Interesting to note that even the (then) Punjab State Chief  Information Commissioner had a 0.32 bore revolver and so did his son ! Maybe he was too scared of RTI applicants (LOL).

RTIwanted

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From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:55 AM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc

This unfair practice of obtaining NSP weapons by using influence/ incentives and later  selling it at highly inflated price to the highest bidder has been going on for more than forty years. If disciplinary action is proposed, then a thorough investigation needs to be made and all concerned irrespective of Rank and position need to be brought under its ambit.The figure may run into thousands and will be an eye opener on the extent of the malpractises and the rot that has been allowed to set in by our senior officers who seem to be escaping the so called exemplary action.I know of atleast one Brigade Commander who was instrumental in allotment,collection and delivery of a weapon to the Collector of the district.Another young captain who had his roots in Delhi and had good links in the Army HQ managed to get more than one weapon and disposed it off soon after allotment.Needless to say my application for either a pistol or a gun never materialised.

It is high time that exemplary action begins with the High and Mighty ,the icons of Integrity and exemplary character

Col JP Sharma (Retd)

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:30 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Court-martial-likely-against-27-serving-Army-officers/articleshow/9131270.cms

"Court martial likely against 27 serving Army officers"
NEW DELHI: In an unprecedented move, the Army is on the verge of
ordering stringent action, in all probability general court martial,
against 27 officers for illegally selling off weapons procured for
their personal use. It is for the first time in the Army's history
that so many serving officers, in this case lieutenant colonels and
colonels, are facing such serious action.

But WHAT ABOUT THE 2 former Lieut Generals who committed the identical
offence ??

On Jul 6, 10:38 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) and/or EGOM is to examine whether
> the Armed Forces should be brought under ambit of LokPal Act or taken out of
> RTI Act u/s 24 like the CBI (there is now a strong case considering Military
> Intelligence functions of the 3 service wings). This is in the context of a
> note to the PM circulated by some Chief Justices which inter-alia refers to
> the inconsistency of applicability of RTI Act to our Armed Forces.whilst
> keeping armed forces out of Lokpal scrutiny.
> The need for amending / harmonising the various Armed Forces Acts.(Army Act,
> Navy Act etc) is also likely to be discussed.
>
> Views of our members with services background is requested.