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From: csindelin@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 05:14:08 +0000
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: csindelin@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
1. You might have participated in many urban planning processes but you do not have an iota of experience in the planning process of Thane or Mumbai.
2. I am now confident that you do not have hand on experience with Police or at least registration of an FIR. If you differ with me then let me know how many FIRs have you filed till date? On what section/provisions Mr. Pandey will approach Police or Magistrate?
However Its the duty of Thane Municipal Authority to keep the space un- encroached. Mr. Pandey does not have any grievance, he is reminding Municipal Authority to do their jobs and asking them through RTI to know whether they are doing or planning to do something in the matter.
3. Mr. Pandey, as per you is having middle class mindset. But now suddenly as per below mail becomes rich and wants to have a private park. May I know your age Mr. Roy to find out its your age or Anti Mr. Kejriwal and Team Anna factor which is distracting your focus? I pitty on you Mr. Roy when you say Mr. Pandey can encroach the land. Do you think its that easy to encroach a Govt. Land? The encroachers neither have an intention to hand it over to the dispossed nor to Municipal Authority, leave alone the development of Park or play ground which comes later. Can you tell me the intention and from where they are having the courage to encroach? Probably people like you never ever find out the reasons.
4. Point number 4 is a general statement and its not only applicable to stupid statutory planning process rather applicable to stupid drafting and passing of legislations in parliament. People like you become Activist overnight due to such legislations having loose ends. And when the whole Parliament resolves something due to some true, dedicated activists you having failed to use those chances of becoming a part of history starts whining / whingeing on forums like yours. Even claiming that they have DERIVED information from IB. Whom are you fooling Mr. Roy?
5. Regarding point no. 5 you are trying to STRENGTHEN your members and train them to use Govt processes properly. Don't you think Mr. Pandey is trying to learn the same from you the so called ACTIVIST and to use RTI to remind Govt. to do their bit.
6. The statement " It is CAs and CSs etc who have a vested interest in projecting that systems / processes are corrupt and that touts (like them) are required to get things managed" is a mere allegation and shows your lack of knowledge as to where CAs and CSs are from. If you cared to research you would have found that they are a part of statutory bodies under the acts of parliament, role and responsibility defined. Its the people like you should have come to us for a training before Strengthening your members ( read as giving useless opinions) on RTI and its use\misuse.
Mr. Roy if you have guts please arrange for a poll which is a democratic process of knowing how many members of YOURS support your views.
Best Regards,
CS Arun Dash
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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:32:11 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
1) If you cared to research you would find that I have participated in many Urban Planning processes and ensured that my opinions have been taken into account, including by use of RTI.
2) If Mr Pandey wants to save Govt land from encroachers he does not need RTI to do so. He can very well register a FIR or inform a magistrate if he has specific information. RTI is a cowards way and is not an "alternate remedy" to address this problem. RTI is not a grievance redressal tool.
3) Mr Pandey's motives are very clear - he himself wants to encroach / usurp land meant for people disposssed to put up the very same apartment blocks he now stays in and convert it into a private.park / playground for the rich. Where will the disposses people go / stay ? India is now a SOCIALIST republic and Mr Pandey would be well advised to respect the rights of his fellow citizens.
4) Insofar as the "stupid statutory planning process" is concerned. It is the stupid citizens who fail to properly utilise their statutory options who are half the cause. Having failed to use these chances it is pointless to go whining / whingeing on forums like ours.
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5) The purpose of forums liek HJ / RTI4emp are to STRENGTHEN our members and train them to use Goivt processes properly. Govt can (and does) work if they are approached properly. It is CAs and CSs etc who have a vested interest in projecting that systems / processes are corrupt and that touts (like them) are required to get things managed.
Sarbajit
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:03 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Roy have you ever visited Thane suburbs? Do you know what is a housing society?? Do you know how encroachment happens in Thane and Mumbai by unscrupulous Builders?
I am sure enough that without appreciating facts, situations and without even applying your brain you suggested the below points to Mr. Pandey to which I am answering:
Mr. Pandey is trying to save a piece of Govt. Land which is slowly being encroached by unscrupulous builders.
1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a statutory planning process ?
Now how Mr. Pandey is trying to selfishly imposing his middle class views on a statutory planning process? He wants to use RTI in a larger public interest.How and why you have assumed or presumed that if the land has marked for dispossed has to be used for that purpose even though lakhs of people will live without any greenery or park because the stupid statutory planning process happened hand in gloves with the builder?
2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be used for that purpose ?
These poetic words are devoid of any substance rather highlights your ignorance about the corruption that is happening in town planning process of Thane.
3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
This is a member intervention cautioning you the Moderator from demoralizing members by jumping into conclusion without even knowing or appreciating facts and giving misleading suggestion .
Best Regards,
CS Arun Dash
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